I see pitts as being one of the teams Kovalchuk would be interested signing with, with two of the best centers in the league and one of them being Russian(If things go well in the Olympics I guess). That trio could be the core of a dynasty.
Also, kind of hard to include this year's 1st if it's meant as a trade deadline deal for next season.
This isn't just for you but yours is the only one I quoted here.
You guys do realize this is a ton more than Peter Forsberg got at the deadline right and Forsberg was a PROVEN GOD in the playoffs. He was by far the best player ever available at the deadline and even HE didn't return this much. HE only returned a 3rd line player in Scotty Upshall (STILL just a 3rd line player more than 2 years later), the 3rd best defensive prospect in the Nash system (2nd pairing potential at the time and still that way), a late 1st in one of the worst drafts in history, and a 3rd in the same terrible draft. If this is a deadline deal then I think that Atl would be lucy to walk away with Staal + 2010 2nd. Staal will be a far far better player than they would get from any team trading away their 1st in 2010.
yes i love seeing the Pens piss away their future year after year to have the same number of cups as we do! If you are the Pens you sit tight. Draft young talented players. Put them with your superstar centers, then trade them for bank when they want cash. If you have 2/3 best forwards in the world, you should probably stop trying to get more superstar forwards in here. I mean against the Flyers there was some amazing saves by Fluery only because the D let down so many times. Just look at the one play when Richards stole the puck form the Dman then scored. The only player the Pens should trade is Malkin, to LA for an unreal return.
Pittsburgh's 1st round picks will most likely be in the early to mid-20's for the forseeable future. You're saying two of those, plus Staal, equals a phenomenal talent in Kovalchuk?
Adding Letang would still make this deal lopsided in Pittsburgh's favour.
That sums it up right there. There's no guarantee you get a 8,9, or 10 overall pick that it will pan out. Even at number 1, I think Alexander Daigle was a first overall selection . I know that's more of an exception but I mean, not unless you're sure Atlanta's getting kids like John Tavares, Matt Duchene, Cody Hodgson and then throw in Jordan Staal, I'll take the deal.
But no way do you trade the best goal scorer in the league for a few 29th overall picks and Jordan Staal. And Letang? How does that spice it up? Throw in a fourth round pick and you got a deal. .
But if I'm a Pens GM, I would try it. What the heck? I'm sure Crosby and Kovalchuk have had there differences. But after they win their 5th straight Cup I'm sure those differences will get brushed to the side a bit.
There is something called a salary cap last time I checked. The penguins problably cant afford to keep Staal; nevermind move him for an even bigger salary.
To the notion of trading 2 first round picks & staal for a deadline deal; did you not learn anything from Marian Hossa? That not only destroys your development system for the next 4-5 years; but it prevents you from makign any deadline deals in the future. Pittsburgh is going to need some cap friendly top 6 wingers and likely 1 top 4 defenceman over the next couple seasons.
At the trade deadline, it would be WAY more than enough.
It would cost just about the same as what it cost for Pittsburgh to get Hossa at last deadline.
No it wouldn't. Kovalchuk is a far more valuable player. Just because Hossa can backcheck better does not make the value the same. The asking price for Kovalchuk is going to be insane if he isn't signed. Ilya Kovalchuk is superior in every other aspect of the game. Offense, Leadership, Skating, etc. I'm sure some team will be willing to pay Atlanta up the rear for him. You aren't going to get off with trading a boom or bust prospect + three spare parts. The return might not be astromomical, but if Atlanta trades Kovalchuk there will surely be a Berglund, Kessel, Perron, Eriksson, Okposo, Ryan type player in there somewhere. Fans on here can say that they'd never give a guy like that up for Kovalchuk, but i'm sure the GM's would be more than happy to sacrifice one good young player for one of the most dominant guys in the league.
Look at back of 07-08. Atlanta was toying with a playoff spot for the first half of the season AFTER an 0-6 start. Why? The only reason is Ilya Kovalchuk. He was the only even semi decent player aside from Enstrom. Of course he eventually tired out due to the injury and from having to carry the team on his back. Then in 08-09 Atlanta went on a tear after he was named Captain. That kind of player isn't easy to come by. Hossa is definitely not on that level. The teams trading fr Kovalchuk will have every intention of signing him. He will be a lot more than a rental player like Hossa.