HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Central Division > Winnipeg Jets
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Overhaul Needed!?

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
05-31-2009, 06:06 PM
  #1
dustyrockon
Registered User
 
dustyrockon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,982
vCash: 500
Overhaul Needed!?

Alright so the Thrashers are pretty sad. Lets face it, they have one amazing player and thats pretty much it. Alright thats a bit harsh but they definitely need to rebuild this team into something... better!

They have Kovulchuk who is a guaranteed 40-50 goal guy. Build around that for the offense and get some D going. There top Defense man for points is Ron Hainsey with 39 points. But he can not seem to play Defense. Hes -27 in career stats.

Here are there top 5 point getters this season.

Ilya Kovulchuk--------43G---48A---91PTS---79GP
Slava Kozlov-----------26G---50A---76PTS---82GP
Todd White------------22G----51A---73PTS---82GP
Brian Little------------31G----20A----51PTS--79GP
Colby Armstrong-----22G----18A----40PTS--82GP


It may look like there should be nothing wrong with this. All of them 20+ Goal scorers 3 70+ point getters. But something is wrong for a team with this much "offense" is finishing 13th in their division and 25th in the league with only 76 points. However they were ranked 9th in the league for goals for with 250. Yet they were also 2nd worst in the league for goals against with 279! They lack defense. Its at a critical level.

Heres what they should probably do this offseason...

Sign the following UFA and RFA's.

Colby Armstrong UFA------------------2 years for 1.5M and 2.0M
Jim Slater RFA--------------------------1 year for 1.0M
Chris Thorburn RFA--------------------3 years for 550K, 750K, 950K
Boris Valabik RFA-----------------------2 years for 1M and 1.3M 2 way contract
Anssi Salmela RFA----------------------3 years for 500K, 600K, 950K 2 way contract
Grant Lewis RFA------------------------3 years 500K, 550K, 650K 2 way contract
Kari Lehtonen---------------------------2 years 3.250M per season (Give or take)


Here's my reasons why...

Colby Armstrong--- Is still young, he plays a physical game and is very capable at scoring goals. Ideal as a 2nd or 3rd line winger.

Jim Slater--- Still young plays a physical game. He is more of a 3rd or 4th line center. 1 Year should be enough to test him out a little more.

Chris Thorburn--- You wont find your PP specialist with this guy but he will rock some boats along the boards while still contributing to the team offensively. Ranked 2nd for the thrashers in hits with 127 last season he should be capable of the physical play next season as well.

Boris Valabik--- Hes young, hes big, and he will shut you down. Hes been said to be one of the meanest Europeans defense man. Still needing to work on some discipline he will make a decent shut down 4th-5th D-man.

Anssi Salmela--- Quite opposite to Valabik, he is more of your offensive defense men. Hes still young and has alot to prove but should be able to make an NHL punch in the next few seasons.

Grant Lewis--- Another young D-man with good vision and anticipation. He loves to guard the net and yet with his offensive upside he has what it takes to be a top four on any team.

Kari Lehtonen--- Although injury prone this goaltender is very good at what he does. Stopping the puck. How ever his injuries have gotten the better of him therefore a small contract should suffice to keep him around.


With about the 4th or 5th overall draft pick they will perhaps draft one of the following.

Name: Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
Position: LW
Shoots: Left
Height: 6-1
Weight: 200 lbs
Birth date: 1991-04-12

He is a talented young LW with a bunch of offensive potential. Ranked 4th in the draft he could be had.

Name: Evander Kane
Position: C
Shoots: Left
Height: 5-11
Weight: 160 lbs
Birth date: 1991-08-02

Another great player, ranked 5th in the draft, Kane is a great center who is meant for scoring goals. He can take the physical pressure and is a very fast skater.


Name: Jared Cowen
Position: D
Shoots: Left
Height: 6-5
Weight: 218 lbs
Birth date: 1991-01-25

Cowen might be ranked 7th in the draft but that does not mean Atlanta would be doing such a bad move by drafting him. He is a large 6-5 defender who can throw his weight around as well as contribute up front. He could go well with Bogosian in a few years.

In fact Atlanta should attempt to actually move up in the draft to about 3rd, only a couple spots and try and draft Victor Hedman. Swapping first round picks and maybe sending back prospect Angelo Esposito to which ever team. Or a roster player.

Then comes Free Agent signing where there are quite a few decent free agents that will probably be hitting the market. With alot of cap space Atlanta has no reason to be going after some good players. Mostly in the defensive end. Someone like Rob Blake could be good veteran support back on D. There are also players like Francois Beachemain and Rob Scuderi that could be had for not to expensive even though cost should not be a problem for the thrashers. Also trading players like Todd White or Slava Kozlov could be used for bringing in more picks, prospects, young roster players etc. Especially after both having had good seasons. They should also be looking for a consistent start up goalie and perhaps trade out Hedberg and keep Pavelec as a backup.

So thats how I think the thrashers should play out. They should be focusing on rebuilding and reconstructing their team this off season. Let me know what you think...

dustyrockon is offline  
Old
05-31-2009, 06:39 PM
  #2
Peter Sidorkiewicz
Kovalchuk Army
 
Peter Sidorkiewicz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,727
vCash: 500
I don't think trading White and Kozlov isn't going to make much of a difference with regards to building a playoff contender. In fact it will do the opposite in the near future as it would probably cost the team Ilya Kovalchuk. Trading away two of your best players, whom are performing (it not like they are struggling) will send a message to Ilya that playoffs are not on the horizon for the next few seasons.

Also what you are suggesting, adding a veteran defenseman and acquiring a more consistent backup goalie isn't really overhauling the team but just adding necessary pieces in making this team better which I agree with you.

Finally giving away Angelo Esposito to move one spot up probably isn't worth the return, although I do like Matt Duchesne. As for trading for Viktor Hedman, no chance Tampa deals with a divisonal rival unless it going to cost the team Zach Bogosian, which thrashers fans are extremly high on.

Peter Sidorkiewicz is offline  
Old
05-31-2009, 06:45 PM
  #3
KevFist
is best pony
 
KevFist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Birmingham, AL
Country: Northern Ireland
Posts: 5,100
vCash: 500
I think you don't watch many Thrashers games...They went 17-15-1 after the all star game, a vast improvement over 17-28-5 prior to the All Star break. After the All Star Break, Atlanta jettisoned some dead weight...Made some great acquisitions, and got Bogosian back from a broken leg...Also, Andersen's system took hold and the guys played inspired hockey. Sure, a few gaps need to be filled, but calling for a total overhaul is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction.

KevFist is offline  
Old
05-31-2009, 07:13 PM
  #4
blankspace6
 
blankspace6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Country: Georgia
Posts: 556
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dustyrockon View Post
Let me know what you think...
I think you're not as up on the Thrashers as you think you are.

Kozloz has a NTC and he is unwilling to waive it.

Lewis will certainly be offered another contract, but will likely play for the Chicago Wolves next season.

Thorburn being offered a contract is questionable. We have young players in the pipeline that are better suited to his role and can chip in offensively as well as play on the PK. (ex: Crabb)

You are right that Atlanta has a lot of cap space, but they also have an internal budget which they stick to. Next years team will likely top out at roughly $46M.

Blake had a good year with San Jose, but he is the exact opposite of what we're looking for. We already did the old blueliner experiment with Schneider last season and it didn't work out so well.

Trading Williams, Christensen, and Schneider helped rid the team of the dead weight. While Havelid was well liked, he was nearing the end of his run and we like the return we received. It has been reported that Salmella has already extended his contract, though it has yet to be officially announced from the organization.

Colby Armstrong and Jim Slater will both receive longer deals than what you have guessed at.


Considering the looming business of Kovalchuk's contract extension, blowing up the team for picks and prospects is the furthest thing we need to do if we'd like to retain Kovy and his services. Smartly filling the holes that we do have (Top 6 RW & Top 4 defensive D-man) is essential.

blankspace6 is offline  
Old
05-31-2009, 07:28 PM
  #5
Alex28*
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,989
vCash: 500
If Atlanta outbids others for Beauchemin and signs Skrasnis/Scuderi for 1st unit PK and shutdown duty they'd be in great shape. Scuderi is overrated but paired with Valabik or Salmella he would provide a drastic improvement defensively in key situations. Ditto for Skrasnis.

Moving up in the draft is not an option. Esposito wouldn't cut it. Someone like Bogosian or Enstrom would have to be involved. Also since Atlanta has one of the better 2nd lines in the league with Kozlov White Little, it makes more sense to draft a complement to Kovalchuk since that would both improve the 1st line and give him more reason to stay with Atlanta. Drafting Kane as top line RW and going with Peverley at center is probably the best option. Personally I think Schenn is better than Kane but Kane is a better fit since Peverley is an adequate center and there's no adequate RW at the moment.

Go with

Kovalchuk Peverley Kane
Kozlov White Little
--- Reasoner Armstrong
--- --- ---

Bogosian Enstrom
Beauchemin Hainsey
Salmella Skarsnis/Scuderi

Valabik

Then draft Orlov in the 2nd round, Koistinen, Foligno, Berdyukov, Drozd and Burdasov in the later rounds.

Alex28* is offline  
Old
05-31-2009, 11:54 PM
  #6
Johnny8242
Registered User
 
Johnny8242's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Greenville, SC
Country: United States
Posts: 928
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Johnny8242
Quote:
Originally Posted by oneel View Post
I think you don't watch many Thrashers games...They went 17-15-1 after the all star game, a vast improvement over 17-28-5 prior to the All Star break. After the All Star Break, Atlanta jettisoned some dead weight...Made some great acquisitions, and got Bogosian back from a broken leg...Also, Andersen's system took hold and the guys played inspired hockey. Sure, a few gaps need to be filled, but calling for a total overhaul is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction.

I agree I cringe when ever a non Thrasher fan comes in and thinks we need a complete change. We aren't going to lead the NHL in points or anything but we damn sure aren't that far away from being a good team!

Johnny8242 is offline  
Old
06-01-2009, 06:13 AM
  #7
AF1982
Jet(s) Enthusiast
 
AF1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Almanya
Country: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Posts: 453
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by oneel View Post
I think you don't watch many Thrashers games...They went 17-15-1 after the all star game, a vast improvement over 17-28-5 prior to the All Star break. After the All Star Break, Atlanta jettisoned some dead weight...Made some great acquisitions, and got Bogosian back from a broken leg...Also, Andersen's system took hold and the guys played inspired hockey. Sure, a few gaps need to be filled, but calling for a total overhaul is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction.
You seem to ignore the history of the Thrashers. Atlanta and Florida are closing in on the all-time horrible Coyotes/ Jets and Kings for the worst franchises in NHL history. When you talk about improvement, then you are comparing the 08-09 Thrashers to those Thrasher teams of the past. It's not a good comparison, because you conveniently ignore the other NHL teams.

17-15-1 is not a great record and you may not even reach the playoffs with it. What got you this far? I think that Todd White's and Slava Kozlov's resurgence from last season were absolutely key for the Thrashers. The big question from my perspective is, if these two can repeat next season. Todd White respectively scored 37, 44, 40 and 29 points, before the 2008-09 season. I hate to say this, but I think that he overachieved this season. Another natural concern is his age, where injuries are becoming more frequent. The same goes for Kozlov, although I'm less concerned about a drop in production from him. He has been a steady point getter over his career. Just like in White's case, injuries pose a problem, just like during the 2007-08 season. IIRC, he played though upper body injuries.

Kozlov and White are IMO key members of the Thrashers. This sort of contradicts with Waddell claims of building a young team. As you know, Kozlov and White are 34+ years old.

From my POV, a guy like Rich Peverly is a darkhorse. Yes, he was amazing last season. Will he remain a near point-per-game player next year? IMO, he's a question mark, although you guys will argue otherwise.

My idea's for the draft and the offseason:

* Trade the 4th overall pick to the Maple Leafs for the 7th overall pick, additionally ask for the Rangers 2nd rounder in 2009 and Toronto's 3rd round pick in 2010.
Draft Dimitri Kulikov 7th overall. Kulikov along with Schenn, Schroeder, Tavares and Hedman are widely considered NHL ready.

* Go for size with your second round picks. Try to draft Ethan Werek 34th overall, draft Ryan O'Reilly or Richard Panik 47th overall and go for Ben Hanowski or Chris Brown with the 50th overall pick. Any combo of those will add much needed size and skill to your system.

* Try to turn one of your (now) three third rounders in 2010 into one or two in 2009. Draft a big body center like Anders Lee in the third round.

* I love Alex28's ideas. Go for Beauchemin or Skrastins in the offseason.

* Sign Erik Cole in the offseason. You need size.

* Bring back Reasoner, Armstrong, Slater, Salmela, Valabik, Lewis, LaVallee.

2009-2010 Opening Night Lineup:

Kovalchuk- White- Little
Kozlov- Peverley- Cole
Stuart- Reasoner- Armstrong
Boulton- Slater- Crabb

Bogosian- Enstrom
Hainsey- Exelby
Kulikov- Skrastins
(Valabik, Salmela.)

Lehtonen
Hedberg
(Pavelec)

This is a slight modification from last year, mainly with another Top6 winger, a talented puckmoving and a defensive blueliner. IMO, this team looks similar to the 2009 Florida Panthers who barely missed the playoffs BUT other than the Panthers this team has much more firepower.

Sadly, this is not what is going to happen. Your management will likely screw up the draft by taking Schenn 4th overall, then you will trade one of your 2nd rounders for immediate help and finally you will have tough time signing quality free agents. Forget about Cole or Antropov. At this point, the chances of resigning Kovalchuk are decreasing and you have to consider trading him. IMO, Waddell will be remembered as the GM who managed to draft him and lose him.

You deserve quality owners and a quality GM. Don't give up hope. My Blues also suffered under the Laurie's and now we finally have GREAT ownership and leadership under Davidson and Checketts. We never gave up hope and now we are seeing the benfit of all the suffering.


Last edited by AF1982: 06-01-2009 at 09:09 AM.
AF1982 is offline  
Old
06-01-2009, 07:25 AM
  #8
btn
Gone Hollywood
 
btn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: ATL
Country: United States
Posts: 15,674
vCash: 500
There is no way Cole doesn't re-sign in Carolina.

I also think the idea of trading down for more picks is silly. The Thrashers have 3 of the first 50 picks in the draft. Considering the Thrashers are currently 8th in the HF org rankings, it is not like they don't have any talent in the system right now.

At 4th overall they will get one of Schenn or Kane(both of whose style of play fills a need for them) or MPS.

btn is offline  
Old
06-01-2009, 09:16 AM
  #9
dj4aces
Registered User
 
dj4aces's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,900
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to dj4aces Send a message via AIM to dj4aces Send a message via MSN to dj4aces Send a message via Yahoo to dj4aces
Overall, I like this post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Satchmo View Post
17-15-1 is not a great record and you may not even reach the playoffs with it. What got you this far? I think that Todd White's and Slava Kozlov's resurgence from last season were absolutely key for the Thrashers.
You're indeed correct. That kind of record doesn't make the playoffs. At absolute best, they squeak in at 8th seed, but don't go any further. Might even get swept. That would be very bad for this team. However, I wouldn't praise White and Kozlov too loudly. While they did have a big resurgence, there are other factors. The acquisition of Peverley, Kovalchuk being named captain, the stand up play of our rookies and sophomore players - just to name a few. The Thrashers showed a lot more character and heart after the trade deadline last season than I've seen from the team since the 2005-2006 run to the playoffs, which they just barely missed.
Kozlov and White are IMO key members of the Thrashers. This sort of contradicts with Waddell claims of building a young team. As you know, Kozlov and White are 34+ years old.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Satchmo View Post
From my POV, a guy like Rich Peverly is a darkhorse. Yes, he was amazing last season. Will he remain a near point-per-game player next year? IMO, he's a question mark, although you guys will argue otherwise.
This is a very good question. It's a question that, unfortunately, won't get an answer until we see him play this season. I thought he played great. Reminded me a little of Datsyuk in the sense that even if he's not scoring, he played very solid defense. That really helped cover for some of the offensive D-men we have on the roster (see: Hainsey and his pitifully bad +/-)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Satchmo View Post
* Trade the 4th overall pick to the Maple Leafs for the 7th overall pick, additionally ask for the Rangers 2nd rounder in 2009 and Toronto's 3rd round pick in 2010.
Draft Dimitri Kulikov 7th overall. Kulikov along with Schenn, Schroeder, Tavares and Hedman are widely considered NHL ready.
That's actually a pretty interesting thought. I hadn't even considered Kulikov. I just did a quick search on Youtube and didn't see any video of him, unfortunately, but I've heard the same (that he's NHL ready). If you know where some video I can watch is, I would be very interested.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Satchmo View Post
* Sign Erik Cole in the offseason. You need size.
I believe he's going to re-sign with Carolina. Though if we can manage to woo him to Atlanta, it would be nice to see. We do need a good bit of size.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Satchmo View Post
Sadly, this is not what is going to happen. Your management will likely screw up the draft by taking Schenn 4th overall, then you will trade one of your 2nd rounders for immediate help and finally you will have tough time signing quality free agents. Forget about Cole or Antropov. At this point, the chances of resigning Kovalchuk are decreasing and you have to consider trading him. IMO, Waddell will be remembered as the GM who managed to draft him and lose him.
For Waddell, this is a make it or break it year. Unfortunately, he's already had one of them, and managed to get retained by the ownership. If Kovalchuk doesn't re-sign, or if he walks, I see Waddell hitting the unemployment line. I would like to think that's written in stone, but one can't be too sure. However, Waddell did just have a meeting with Kovalchuk a couple weeks ago. I would assume this is planning for the draft and free agency.

Kovalchuk, at the end of the season, said to the AP that he would be willing to recruit players. The meeting I'm referencing could have been who Waddell was targeting, and who Kovalchuk wanted. Unfortunately, all I can do is speculate. But with that option in mind, I'm sure Waddell wanted to pick his brain a bit. The ownership knows they have to retain Kovalchuk, so getting him what he wants has to be job number one. $46m "internal cap" be damned.

dj4aces is offline  
Old
06-01-2009, 09:30 AM
  #10
toph2o
Registered User
 
toph2o's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,119
vCash: 500
The stretch that really had/has people encouraged was Feb 10 through April 4 (prior to running into the red-hot Caps back to back games), where the Thrashers went 15-7-1. Two months does not make a season, but that's when things started to really come together for the team and the difference in their quality of play was obvious.

toph2o is offline  
Old
06-01-2009, 11:31 AM
  #11
VAThrasher
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Richmond, VA
Country: United States
Posts: 475
vCash: 500
For a non-Thrasher fan, I thought Dusty was pretty insightful. Despite our relatively strong close to the season, there's a reason we're drafting #4 - an overhaul of some sort is needed. Oh, and we'll be sorry if we don't draft MSP.

VAThrasher is offline  
Old
06-01-2009, 11:37 AM
  #12
dustyrockon
Registered User
 
dustyrockon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,982
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by VAThrasher View Post
For a non-Thrasher fan, I thought Dusty was pretty insightful. Despite our relatively strong close to the season, there's a reason we're drafting #4 - an overhaul of some sort is needed. Oh, and we'll be sorry if we don't draft MSP.
Ha, thanks.

And btw to all thrashers fans i meant no disrispect to the team. The title was deffinatly an overstatement considering that i really didnt talk about changing THAT much. They were just ideas i had for your offseason. And reading some of your answers has also been insightful! Thanks!

dustyrockon is offline  
Old
06-01-2009, 05:57 PM
  #13
KevFist
is best pony
 
KevFist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Birmingham, AL
Country: Northern Ireland
Posts: 5,100
vCash: 500
Ya have to understand everything that us Thrashers fans have to put up with....If it's not people telling us Kovalchuk is leaving, it's people telling us our FRANCHISE is leaving, or that we don't deserve to have a team, or it's being constantly reminded that the Thrashers haven't been that good. Then people kinda pander to us, thinking we're all ignorant rednecks who only watch hockey for the fights while drinking Bud and screaming "JUUUUUNIOR!"

Being a Thrashers fan ain't easy, and it ain't for everyone!

KevFist is offline  
Old
06-01-2009, 08:28 PM
  #14
dj4aces
Registered User
 
dj4aces's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,900
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to dj4aces Send a message via AIM to dj4aces Send a message via MSN to dj4aces Send a message via Yahoo to dj4aces
Quote:
Originally Posted by oneel View Post
Then people kinda pander to us, thinking we're all ignorant rednecks who only watch hockey for the fights while drinking Bud and screaming "KNIGHTS!"
Fixed!

dj4aces is offline  
Old
06-01-2009, 11:53 PM
  #15
Enstrom39
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,174
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dustyrockon View Post
Alright so the Thrashers are pretty sad. Lets face it, they have one amazing player and thats pretty much it. Alright thats a bit harsh but they definitely need to rebuild this team into something... better!
Wow that's really nice of a Montreal fan to stop by and tell us our team stinks and we don't have anyone other than Kovalchuk. Thanks!

By the way Zach Bogosian and Bryan Little emailed and they think you're a jerk.


Last edited by Enstrom39: 06-02-2009 at 01:38 PM.
Enstrom39 is offline  
Old
06-02-2009, 08:21 AM
  #16
Stoneberg
Bored
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Halifax
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,672
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dustyrockon View Post
Alright so the Thrashers are pretty sad. Lets face it, they have one amazing player and thats pretty much it. Alright thats a bit harsh but they definitely need to rebuild this team into something... better!
You are aware that Todd White and Slava Kozlov out scored your top player by 8 points and 11 points respectively right?

Kovalchuk
Little
Enstrom
Bogosian
Hainsey
White
Kozlov
Lehtonen
....yupp Thrashers have noone

Stoneberg is offline  
Old
06-02-2009, 11:20 AM
  #17
blankspace6
 
blankspace6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Country: Georgia
Posts: 556
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Satchmo View Post
Your management will likely screw up the draft
Our management?
Last time I checked you go by Acer on the Official Thrashers boards and post their quite frequently.

You must use a different internet persona for the different boards you're on. The only constant is your sheer hatred for Waddell.

blankspace6 is offline  
Old
06-02-2009, 12:04 PM
  #18
teme
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Posts: 1,121
vCash: 500
A solid backup sounds good. Lehtonen's health is a concern and Pavelec is not going to be the number one by next year, the team just isn't good enough to break in a rookie goalie who will inevitably have quite a few horrible nights. Trade Pavelec I say and sign a 1b. How about Niittymäki, if for nothing else than that he won't be able to play against Thrashers?

Thrashers offence is weird. It is not like they have any problems burying the chances they get, Thrashers offence is tied for best in the league with Bruins and Pens in team shooting efficency, they needed on average 9.21 shots to score a goal (league average was 10.61, Rangers were worst at 13.28). The problem is they are #26 in shots per game, and this relates to them being #27 at shots at: statistics back what is plain to a naked eye, the team sucks at applying constant presure on the offencive zone and that leads to high shots against, which leads to high goals against.

Many here seem to have reached the conclusion that failure to apply constant preasure is due to lack of size up front, and I don't (fully) agree. Forechecking is first about positioning and timing, and this is a coaching issue. Red Wings are one the fiercest forechecking teams in the league, and they are certainly not that big. Anderson has a pretty complex system, with dman charcing in the corners and all, and I think what we saw in late season was the players finally getting it. Secondly, forechecking is a skill, some players just are better at wrecking havoc among defenders and while size helps, a lot of these guys are actually pretty small.

What I think the Thrashers really need up front is a spark plug type player with some scoring ability. And a first line center of course, it is not fair to either the team or Todd White to expect him to be one. Ideas?

teme is online now  
Old
06-02-2009, 10:33 PM
  #19
Alex28*
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,989
vCash: 500
Watching Ottawa, I actually think they're pretty close to being a complete team. What they're sorely missing is a good stay at home defenseman paired with Hainsey so that Hainsey doesn't look like a 5 year old on every opposing break. What would Atlanta fans think of the following trade?

4th overall + Exelby

for

Volchenkov, Kelly and a 2nd/3rd.

IMO if Atlanta does this, they get competitive immediately next year. Volchenkov paired with Hainsey would be a very solid pairing, I would think (Volchenkov, Regehr and Mitchell are probably the 3 best defensive defensemen in the league), and Kelly with Armstrong would make for one of the better 3rd lines in the league. Both are fringe top 6 forwards and can move up as IR replacements as well .Combined, I think that would improve the team enough to be a major factor in Kovalchuk staying. Nikulin would probably be more inclined to sign with Atlanta next year if there's another Russian on defense (and since he could get paid above an ELC next year as well, I think). And anyone Atlanta drafts with 4th would probably take at least a year to get established in the NHL. Volchenkov and Kelly could also be parts of the future, this wouldn't be a throwaway like Coburn for Zhitnik either.

Alex28* is offline  
Old
06-02-2009, 10:33 PM
  #20
Alex28*
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,989
vCash: 500
Sorry, I mean't watching Atlanta. Duh.

Alex28* is offline  
Old
06-02-2009, 11:05 PM
  #21
fatschoonerrat
Registered User
 
fatschoonerrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Charleston
Posts: 1,395
vCash: 500
Um, no.

fatschoonerrat is offline  
Old
06-03-2009, 12:41 AM
  #22
Enstrom39
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,174
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex28 View Post
Watching Ottawa, I actually think they're pretty close to being a complete team. What they're sorely missing is a good stay at home defenseman paired with Hainsey so that Hainsey doesn't look like a 5 year old on every opposing break. What would Atlanta fans think of the following trade?

4th overall + Exelby

for

Volchenkov, Kelly and a 2nd/3rd.
That is a brutal offer.

Potential All-Star (4th overall) + depth D
for
Solid Defenseman, 3rd line center, 2nd round pick.

No, thanks you don't pass on a chance to select a potential All-Star for that package.

Enstrom39 is offline  
Old
06-03-2009, 12:57 AM
  #23
Alex28*
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,989
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Falconer View Post
That is a brutal offer.

Potential All-Star (4th overall) + depth D
for
Solid Defenseman, 3rd line center, 2nd round pick.

No, thanks you don't pass on a chance to select a potential All-Star for that package.
I figured as much, I'm probably too high on Volchenkov. But he is pretty much the Terminator and along with Phillips shut down one of the best offenses in recent history when playing against Buffalo in Ottawa's 2007 playoff run.

Probably would be better to try to sign Beauchemin (~4) or Skrasnis (~3.2) or trade for Witt/Salei on the cheap.

Alex28* is offline  
Old
06-03-2009, 10:20 AM
  #24
Enstrom39
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,174
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex28 View Post
I figured as much, I'm probably too high on Volchenkov. But he is pretty much the Terminator and along with Phillips shut down one of the best offenses in recent history when playing against Buffalo in Ottawa's 2007 playoff run.

Probably would be better to try to sign Beauchemin (~4) or Skrasnis (~3.2) or trade for Witt/Salei on the cheap.
If I were the Thrashers I would target someone like Oduya or Salei who will not go for the huge price tag that Komisarek and Bouweester will. I would then trade down with say Toronto (still get a great player) and pick up extra picks. Deal a goalie for a forward in the off season.

Enstrom39 is offline  
Old
06-04-2009, 12:32 AM
  #25
Alex28*
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,989
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Falconer View Post
If I were the Thrashers I would target someone like Oduya or Salei who will not go for the huge price tag that Komisarek and Bouweester will. I would then trade down with say Toronto (still get a great player) and pick up extra picks. Deal a goalie for a forward in the off season.
Salei could probably be traded for really easily. Colorado would probably be glad to get rid of him.

A trade down with Toronto makes the most sense if Kubina is coming back. Can do everything Kaberle can but also has a physical edge, and lately better in his own zone. At the same time valued lower than Kaberle because of the shorter and more expensive contract.

Hainsey and Kubina would be a nasty 2nd line pairing. At the same time, draft Schroeder as a prospect for the top line RW, or Cowen/Kulikov as a prospect for a top 4 defenseman.

Alex28* is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:32 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.