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06-05-2009, 05:59 PM
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SJ-TB-EDM Draft Day

This is assuming Hedman isnt drafted #1 overall.

To SJ: #2 overall

To EDM: Clowe, 2nd (#43 i believe)

To TB: #10 overall, Ehrhoff, Kaspar

SJ gets Hedman, Clears 6 million (assuming Clowe signs for 3) to sign free agents to fill their rolls. Wilson has said that he has talked about aquiring a top 2 pick and it would help the sharks in the long run. Its really hard to let go of Ehrhoff and Clowe but Hedman would imo be worth it.

EDM gets that big mean powerforward who can play on their top line and protect Hemsky. He is exactly what the definition of an oiler should be. The second is just to lessen the loss of #10 overall.

TB moves down 8 spots in the draft but gets a top pairing, offensive, puck moving defenseman in Ehrhoff. With Ehrhoff, Meszaros, Smaby and Wishart in their system Hedman would be a luxury at D. With the D improved they can worry about getting a winger with the #10 overall. They also get a former 1st round pick in Kaspar, who although has not panned out as expected still has some offensive potential and is good defensively.

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SJ clearly wins this.

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I'd do it from Edmonton's POV. I'm not sure if TB would though.

EDIT: Yeah...no way in hell you get Hedman for that package. You'd need to include your 1st and 2nd Rounder in 2010 as well.


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I don't think I'd do this. I like Clowe, just not 10th overall-like. I'd prefer we just keep our pick.

To me SJ is the clear winner here

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This is assuming Hedman isnt drafted #1 overall.

To SJ: #2 overall

To EDM: Clowe, 2nd (#43 i believe)

To TB: #10 overall, Ehrhoff, Kaspar

SJ gets Hedman, Clears 6 million (assuming Clowe signs for 3) to sign free agents to fill their rolls. Wilson has said that he has talked about aquiring a top 2 pick and it would help the sharks in the long run. Its really hard to let go of Ehrhoff and Clowe but Hedman would imo be worth it.

EDM gets that big mean powerforward who can play on their top line and protect Hemsky. He is exactly what the definition of an oiler should be. The second is just to lessen the loss of #10 overall.

TB moves down 8 spots in the draft but gets a top pairing, offensive, puck moving defenseman in Ehrhoff. With Ehrhoff, Meszaros, Smaby and Wishart in their system Hedman would be a luxury at D. With the D improved they can worry about getting a winger with the #10 overall. They also get a former 1st round pick in Kaspar, who although has not panned out as expected still has some offensive potential and is good defensively.
The Sharks give up Clowe, Ehrhoff, a 2nd and Kaspar (a guy who went through waivers 2x unclaimed) for the 2nd overall? My, thats quite some larceny.

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Clowe isn't worth dropping from 10th overall to 43rd overall. And no way is Ehrhoff and the 10th overall worth missing a guy like Hedman. Kaspar is worthless.

Love this deal as a Sharks fan, though.

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This is assuming Hedman isnt drafted #1 overall.

To SJ: #2 overall

To EDM: Clowe, 2nd (#43 i believe)

To TB: #10 overall, Ehrhoff, Kaspar

SJ gets Hedman, Clears 6 million (assuming Clowe signs for 3) to sign free agents to fill their rolls. Wilson has said that he has talked about aquiring a top 2 pick and it would help the sharks in the long run. Its really hard to let go of Ehrhoff and Clowe but Hedman would imo be worth it.

EDM gets that big mean powerforward who can play on their top line and protect Hemsky. He is exactly what the definition of an oiler should be. The second is just to lessen the loss of #10 overall.

TB moves down 8 spots in the draft but gets a top pairing, offensive, puck moving defenseman in Ehrhoff. With Ehrhoff, Meszaros, Smaby and Wishart in their system Hedman would be a luxury at D. With the D improved they can worry about getting a winger with the #10 overall. They also get a former 1st round pick in Kaspar, who although has not panned out as expected still has some offensive potential and is good defensively.
Doesn't sound good on the lightning side.

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sharks win the deal

bolts get hosed and the oilers would ask how is clowe differnt then Pener?

clowe is not worth giving up the 10th overall pick.

Penner vs Clowe--both players rely on other to to get them the ouck

people keep saying the oilers need a power forward--they have it--Penner

until the oilers find a team to take penner off their hands--oilers wiull not have the budget for other

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http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=55126

clowe 41 goals 96pts in 162 games at 26 years of age
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Penner

at 26 years of age

73goals and 136pts in 261 games

same age--one year less experience for clowe

same player and more then likely same problems

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Clowe is a good player by all means, but this just doesn't make sense for Edmonton. There are some players who very well could end up just as good if not better at 10th overall.

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http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=55126

clowe 41 goals 96pts in 162 games at 26 years of age
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Penner

at 26 years of age

73goals and 136pts in 261 games

same age--one year less experience for clowe

same player and more then likely same problems
Wrong, but Edmonton still should not do it.

Clowe is 100% effort, while I constantly see Penner being knocked for being lazy/soft/ect.
Clowe's only problem is injury history, but you are right that they are both big, physical, top 6 LW's, just Clowe works his ass off.

Also, Tampa might not do 10th, Clowe, Ehrhoff, 43rd for Hedman, so getting half the package isn't going to do it.

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http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=55126

clowe 41 goals 96pts in 162 games at 26 years of age
vs
Penner

at 26 years of age

73goals and 136pts in 261 games

same age--one year less experience for clowe

same player and more then likely same problems

Clowe does not rely on others to get him the puck. He strips the puck on the forecheck really well and others usually get the puck from him. He is much more physical than Penner, will be much, much cheaper than penner and works so much harder than Penner. Clowe has put up a better ppg average than him and saying they are the same player is absolutely false.

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Tampa wouldn't even think about it. Kaspar is worthless when it comes to trade-value, Ehrhoff and the 10th pick is nice, but not worth giving up Hedman.

Sure, Hedman could turn out to be not as good as everyone thinks he will be, but that's a risk you simply have to take. If a team is in a position like Tampa, you go for the possible franchise-player. Especially if he has such a great combination of size and skill.

While Clowe and a 2nd rounder is pretty nice value, I think the Oilers would like to have someone more established than Clowe for their first round pick.

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Well, I can't see TBay doing this ever. And from an Oilers perspective, I'd rather see them move up to 2nd (but only if Tavares is available), with the package being...

Gilbert, Cogliano, O'Sullivan, 10th overall
for
Halpern, 2nd overall

Now if you're TBay, which one would you take?

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Well, I can't see TBay doing this ever. And from an Oilers perspective, I'd rather see them move up to 2nd (but only if Tavares is available), with the package being...

Gilbert, Cogliano, O'Sullivan, 10th overall
for
Halpern, 2nd overall

Now if you're TBay, which one would you take?

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Clowe is 100% effort, while I constantly see Penner being knocked for being lazy/soft/ect.
Clowe's only problem is injury history, but you are right that they are both big, physical, top 6 LW's, just Clowe works his ass off.
Except in round 1 vs. Ducks... For some inexplicable reason he played a soft perimeter game

Anyhow, for most of the season, yes -he was 100% effort before getting injured.

Still torn on how much the Sharks should sign him for but I digress

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