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J.Staal for Pacioretty, Weber, 1st rounder

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06-09-2009, 03:54 PM
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I'm sure the 'Canes brass would be falling over themselves to trade you their franchise center locked up long-term for two prospects that haven't done jack ****, a 2nd, and a mid-round 1st.



A 22 year old with little relative defensive value, a career high of 12 goals and 21 points, and 3 games of pointless playoff experience plus a small offensive defenseman we couldn't possibly need less, for a huge 20 year old center already with two 20+ goal seasons, two Finals runs in which he's shut down players like Eric Staal and Jeff Carter, and who's signed for another 4 years? Really?

This proposal doesn't help us at all now, and the Habs' prospects combined potential are no better than Staal's. Abort.
I hope you mean only weber and patches potential, as the habs were just rated as 2nd on hockeys future, and patches was a big part of that. Patches ceiling is pretty high, and he plays a big mans game.

Staal has obviously proved more, but all in all it's pretty fair deal. I wouldn't do it because I'm too excited for patches. But the habs and pens do make good trading partners as the pens are deep at centre and weak on the wing while the habs are the opposite.

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I'll pass and keep Pacioretty and Weber. The value is close but I'd just rather develop Pacioretty and Weber properly.

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For those of you thinking Staal is overrated;

His individual effort for the shorty in game 4 against Brian Rafalski, kep his team alive in the playoffs and if the Pens win the Cup, Staal will be one of the main reasons for it.
Evaluating players based on anecdotes, let alone individual plays, is about as surefire a way to overrate them as there is.

It's how RJ Umberger and Fernando Pisani got big paydays, for example.

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I'd be surprised if he were traded to Montréal and wasn't the number 1 centre.
I genuinely think that if Jordan Staal is the #1 centre on a team next year, that team has issue with centre depth. They may be set down the road but next year is too early for Staal.

I could see him pencilled in as the second-line centre on a fairly good team.

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I'll pass and keep Pacioretty and Weber. The value is close but I'd just rather develop Pacioretty and Weber properly.
Amen brother.. ps nice avy

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Too much to give up for a player that at best is a 2nd line center. If we're going to give up that much why not add another piece and get a real #1 center.Staal is a good checking 2nd line center that can pot a few goals but he's not near good enough to be leading your team as your 1st line ofensive center. Way over-rated by Pen fans.

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I hope you mean only weber and patches potential, as the habs were just rated as 2nd on hockeys future, and patches was a big part of that. Patches ceiling is pretty high, and he plays a big mans game.
Wouldn't be much point in me comparing Staal's potential to that of every single Habs prospect.

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Staal has obviously proved more, but all in all it's pretty fair deal. I wouldn't do it because I'm too excited for patches. But the habs and pens do make good trading partners as the pens are deep at centre and weak on the wing while the habs are the opposite.
The Habs simply don't have a winger with comparable potential and current value to make it workable.

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Too much to give up for a player that at best is a 2nd line center. If we're going to give up that much why not add another piece and get a real #1 center.Staal is a good checking 2nd line center that can pot a few goals but he's not near good enough to be leading your team as your 1st line ofensive center. Way over-rated by Pen fans.
If you think adding another piece to that package is going to get you a legitimate #1 center, Pens fans aren't the only ones overrating their assets.

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The Habs simply don't have a winger with comparable potential and current value to make it workable.
Andrei kostitsyn? He was ranked in the top 5 in his draft year. He's also putting up better numbers.

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Andrei kostitsyn? He was ranked in the top 5 in his draft year. He's also putting up better numbers.
And what does his ranking draft year have to do with anything?

Also define the context of what position he is playing when putting up those numbers. Is he playing a defensive role? Is he on the 3rd line?

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Evaluating players based on anecdotes, let alone individual plays, is about as surefire a way to overrate them as there is.

It's how RJ Umberger and Fernando Pisani got big paydays, for example.
You're right.

However, my point is that when Staal hits his potential those are the types of plays he will be making on a regular basis.

Also, Staal has two great goals of individual efforts this SCF, which I'm sure hasn't gone unnoticed among the other NHL GMs.

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Doesn't matter. Jordan Staal is the most overrated player in the NHL.

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my bad thought it was shea weber haha
At first me too... I was like seriously? Weber alone is worth more than Staal.

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Doesn't matter. Jordan Staal is the most overrated player in the NHL.
That's fine. In case all the rejected trade proposals didn't make it click in for you, we're happy to keep him.

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Andrei kostitsyn? He was ranked in the top 5 in his draft year.
That probably couldn't matter less.

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He's also putting up better numbers.
He put up slightly better numbers in a much more offensive role, while bringing much less to the table overall, and being more than 3 years older. Kostitsyn as a centerpiece for a Staal deal wouldn't generate much interest, particularly since there's no good reason at all to trade JS. None.

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I hope you mean only weber and patches potential, as the habs were just rated as 2nd on hockeys future, and patches was a big part of that. Patches ceiling is pretty high, and he plays a big mans game.

Staal has obviously proved more, but all in all it's pretty fair deal. I wouldn't do it because I'm too excited for patches. But the habs and pens do make good trading partners as the pens are deep at centre and weak on the wing while the habs are the opposite.
I dont think there is any chance that shero would do a deal like this. Plus who the **** wants a player on their team who gets the nick name patches.

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