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06-10-2009, 01:03 PM
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I'm not sure what would make you guys think you'll get this kind of value in general for Heatley. heatley is a great player but, the Hossa deal notwithstanding, it is nearly impossible to get value for a superstar in deal - especially a superstar with a big contract. If Heatley does get move, I think that SENS fans will be very, very disappointed with the return.

But, this stuff with the Isles is silly even for this board. Isles are not trading Okposo, Streit, or the first. Simply not happening. Heatley is not waiving his NMC to come to the Island anyway, and Wang would never approve that contract (especially will all the doubts about the new building).
Ottawa should get a good return how good is the question.

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06-10-2009, 01:12 PM
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Ottawa should get a good return how good is the question.

I'm sure they'll get "good" return but Heatley is a lot more than a "good" player. He is a "great" player and I don't think Ottawa will get "great" return.

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06-10-2009, 01:17 PM
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To NYI: Heatley, Kelly, 1st '09

To Ottawa: 1st overall '09, Streit, 2nd '09
Close in terms of value but Islanders say no. If we're trading Streit, I'd rather do it for the high pick, and keep our #1. If we can get Ottawa's pick at 9 in a Streit deal we can use our later picks to move up to 5 or 6 and take MSP. Deal the 9th pick, Toronto's 2nd and Pittsburgh's 3rd to Phoenix for the 6.

How sick would this draft be for the Isles if they could pull this off:

1/1: Tavares
1/6: Svensson-Pajaarvi
1/26: Rundblad
2/31: Panik
2/57: Rajala

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hm, great idea by the OP. I can't believe the isles never thought of trading their #1 pick to Ottawa for a petulant superstar before.

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hm, great idea by the OP. I can't believe the isles never thought of trading their #1 pick to Ottawa for a petulant superstar before.
Well, atleast it is a better offer (proposal) then Kaberle, the 7th and Grabovski.

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I'm not sure what would make you guys think you'll get this kind of value in general for Heatley. heatley is a great player but, the Hossa deal notwithstanding, it is nearly impossible to get value for a superstar in deal - especially a superstar with a big contract. If Heatley does get move, I think that SENS fans will be very, very disappointed with the return.

But, this stuff with the Isles is silly even for this board. Isles are not trading Okposo, Streit, or the first. Simply not happening. Heatley is not waiving his NMC to come to the Island anyway, and Wang would never approve that contract (especially will all the doubts about the new building).
Maybe as Sens fans we've been kind of spoiled but the last 2 superstars we've traded with long term contracts return Spezza, Chara and Hossa. I really don't think it's that far fetched to ask for a top 2 or 3 pick and a high end prospect/player in return for one of the top goal scorers in hockey.

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I'm sure they'll get "good" return but Heatley is a lot more than a "good" player. He is a "great" player and I don't think Ottawa will get "great" return.
Where are the Sens getting and/or asking for a great player from the Islanders in these proposals?

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Where are the Sens getting and/or asking for a great player from the Islanders in these proposals?
Expecting the first overall and/or Okposo along with Streit is "great" return in my book.

And, it is nice that you feel "spoiled" by the Yashin deal but that doesnt' mean it will happen again. the only star that has been deal in recent years for fair return was Hossa. Others all brought dismal return (Thornton, Ollie J., Luongo).

The SENS best strategy with Heatley should be to find a way to make him happy in Ottawa. On the trade market, you will get pennies for the dollar and you will not be getting stud prospects or top five picks in return.


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Well, atleast it is a better offer (proposal) then Kaberle, the 7th and Grabovski.

I don't agree. After all, Kaberle is a an "all star."

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Isn't this 32 year old former Hab Mark Streit, who Ottawa could have signed as UFA if they wanted to pay up the money for him, we are talking about?

The fact that PP specialist Streit is the best player in long Island says more about the state of that team and why they need to keep drafting and developing their young players. I agree, if NYI are 5+ year away from contending then they probably do not need to trade for and add a 28 year old superstar at this point.
Yes, same Streit after whose departure Montreal's PP went from flat out best in the league to one of the worst.

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Mark Streit being the best d-man on the Islanders says nothing about the team and everything about him. As an offensive defense man I believe he was in the top five for points and on the defensive side he was great, especially for being on a bad team.

Easily the best signing of last offseason for any team.

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Mark Streit being the best d-man on the Islanders says nothing about the team and everything about him. As an offensive defense man I believe he was in the top five for points and on the defensive side he was great, especially for being on a bad team.

Easily the best signing of last offseason for any team.
Mark Streit is one of the most underrated players in the league. I was amazed at how good he is getting to watch him play a full season on LI.

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Expecting the first overall and/or Okposo along with Streit is "great" return in my book.

And, it is nice that you feel "spoiled" by the Yashin deal but that doesnt' mean it will happen again. the only star that has been deal in recent years for fair return was Hossa. Others all brought dismal return (Thornton, Ollie J., Luongo).

The SENS best strategy with Heatley should be to find a way to make him happy in Ottawa. On the trade market, you will get pennies for the dollar and you will not be getting stud prospects or top five picks in return.

As I said, these proposals aren't asking for great players but great prospects and that is clearly within the realm of possibility.

Chris Pronger was traded for a top 5 overall pick, a young up and coming winger and 2 first round picks. That is the kind of return Ottawa should be and is probably seeking for Heatley, in the pittance people are offering here.

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what a horrible deal Heatley is a great player but only an imbecile would even consider this deal...... We already gave you Spezza and Chara in this kind of deal once find another sucker this time.

Horrible horrible deal. Id rather feed my arm to piranha than to relive the travesty of the Yashin deal again. The Senators dont have Milbury around to **** anymore

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As I said, these proposals aren't asking for great players but great prospects and that is clearly within the realm of possibility.

Chris Pronger was traded for a top 5 overall pick, a young up and coming winger and 2 first round picks. That is the kind of return Ottawa should be and is probably seeking for Heatley, in the pittance people are offering here.
good luck with that.... find another sucker

The deal is pure crap and you know it

andif you dont know it than you need to lay off the crack for a while

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As I said, these proposals aren't asking for great players but great prospects and that is clearly within the realm of possibility..
That being "clearly" your opinion doesn't make it "clearly" reality. I personally don't see Heatley returning "great" prospects or picks. I doubt he is bringing anything near that return.

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Chris Pronger was traded for a top 5 overall pick, a young up and coming winger and 2 first round picks. That is the kind of return Ottawa should be and is probably seeking for Heatley, in the pittance people are offering here.
I'm not sure I see people talking about a "pittance" of any kind in this thread. If anything, I think Isles fans have been repeatedly saying that they're not interested in putting together a deal for Heatley, and don't see Heately wanting to come to the Island. I also don't see Islander management as even being remotely interested in bringing in Heatley and that mutiyear multimillion contract.

Also, with regard to Pronger, first Heatley is not in that class. Pronger was the most dominant dman of his era, and Heatley is probably not even among the top half dozen forwards in the league. Right now, I'd easily rate Ovenchicken, Crosby, Malkin, Kovulchuk, Datysuk, and Parise above him, and that is without raising a sweat. I'd probaly also argue that guys like Carter, Staal, and Ignila are ahead of him as well. Heatley is a great player, yes, but unlike Pronger not the best.

Second, you are twisting the return that Pronger got. He didn't get "the fifth overall pick" - he got a player who was the fifth overall pick many years earlier, and who had failed to develop. That player was also under contract for only two more seasons.

He also returned two late firsts and a winger who showed promise but also some limitatoins. I would not be shocked to see Heatley return a similar package - a mid-tier vet, a few late picks, and a younger winger or two. That is quite far downstream from a package that include the first overall and Okposo.

In all honest, given the $ and all, I wouldn't expect the Isles to move Okposo straight up for Heatley. Okposo is making less than 1 million and has all the upside in the world. Giving up that kind of commodity for a player who will make 8 million next season, and who has now requested trades from two seperate cities, is a nonstarter.

Anyway, I'll go on return as saying that if Heatley is traded, he won't bring fair return. You can fell free to come back and taunt me if I am wrong.


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I don't agree. After all, Kaberle is a an "all star."
and graboski is a top 20 player in the league!(a leaf fan on there team boards said this after the worlds, lol)

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That being "clearly" your opinion doesn't make it "clearly" reality. I personally don't see Heatley returning "great" prospects or picks. I doubt he is bringing anything near that return.



I'm not sure I see people talking about a "pittance" of any kind in this thread. If anything, I think Isles fans have been repeatedly saying that they're not interested in putting together a deal for Heatley, and don't see Heately wanting to come to the Island.

Also, with regard to Pronger, first Heatley is not in that class. Pronger was the most dominant dman of his era, and Heatley is probably not even among the top half dozen forwards in the league. Right now, I'd easily rate Ovenchicken, Crosby, Malkin, Kovulchuk, Datysuk, and Parise above him, and that is without raising a sweat. I'd probaly also argue that guys like Carter, Staal, and Ignila are ahead of him as well. Heatley is a great player, yes, but unlike Pronger not the best.

Second, you are twisting the return that Pronger got. He didn't get "the fifth overall pick" - he got a player who was the fifth overall pick many years earlier, and who had failed to develop. That player was also under contract for only two more seasons.

He also returned two late firsts and a winger who showed promise but also some limitatoins. I would not be shocked to see Heatley return a similar package - a mid-tier vet, a few late picks, and a younger winger or two. That is quite far downstream from a package that include the first overall and Okposo.

In all honest, given the $ and all, I wouldn't expect the Isles to move Okposo straight up for Heatley. Okposo is making less than 1 million and has all the upside in the world. Given up that kind of commodity for a player who will make 8 million next season, and who has now requested trades from two seperate cities, is a nonstarter.

Anyway, I'll go on return as saying that if Heatley is traded, he won't bring fair return. You can fell free to come back and taunt me if I am wrong.
absolutely correct... Senator fans can kiss the playoffs goodbye for a few seasons at least

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absolutely correct... Senator fans can kiss the playoffs goodbye for a few seasons at least

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I think Ottawa will straighten out the situation with Heatley, plug a few holes, and be a strong team next season.

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YAY! Yashin Trade all over again!

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and graboski is a top 20 player in the league!(a leaf fan on there team boards said this after the worlds, lol)
hes top 20 in imagination land.....

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Heatley goes to a team that is ready to win. There isn't much reason for the Islanders to make this move.

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I don't agree. After all, Kaberle is a an "all star."


Definitely isn't getting old. More please.

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I think I agree with most of the responses here. Value-wise it's about as fair as it'll get, but I don't think Heatley would waive his NTC to play on the nyi (no offense). As for the Isles not doing the trade, I'm not sure, the Isles fans would know better than me

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