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06-10-2009, 08:54 PM
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To LA - Heatly and Kelly



To CHI - Jason Smith and Handzus



To OTT - Campbell, JJ, Frolov, Skille


Chi gets rid of campbell's contract and skille loses skille but doesnt take much future cap hit, LA gets a cheaper 3rd line c and gets a true 40-50 goal sniper, but loses JJ and frolov, Ott loses Heatley but also loses a future cap hit in Kelly, although the contracts work out the same for OTT its hard to deny that they are not a much better team after this trade.

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To LA - Heatly and Kelly



To CHI - Jason Smith and Handzus



To OTT - Campbell, JJ, Frolov, Skille


Chi gets rid of campbell's contract and skille loses skille but doesnt take much future cap hit, LA gets a cheaper 3rd line c and gets a true 40-50 goal sniper, but loses JJ and frolov, Ott loses Heatley but also loses a future cap hit in Kelly, although the contracts work out the same for OTT its hard to deny that they are not a much better team after this trade.
I'd have to think about this one...that Campbell contract is really ugly but man oh man I like the thought of adding Frolov and Skille up front while also adding JJ. Man that's an ugly contract though.

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LOL. No thanks.

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LOL. No thanks.
Just curious why? You'd lose the Hadzus contract and I think it's more than fair that you'd be giving up Frolov and JJ for Heatley. Interested in your thoughts on this one.

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Just curious why? You'd lose the Hadzus contract and I think it's more than fair that you'd be giving up Frolov and JJ for Heatley. Interested in your thoughts on this one.
yeah i actually was trying to think of all the teams before i posted. Kelly and Heater for Zus, Frolov and JJ is pretty good i think from an LA point of view.

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Just curious why? You'd lose the Hadzus contract and I think it's more than fair that you'd be giving up Frolov and JJ for Heatley. Interested in your thoughts on this one.
While Handzus is overpaid, he was very valuable to Wayne Simmonds development last season and does fine in a shutdown role. Frolov is arguably our best 2 way player and I feel he brings more to the ice than Heatley who's more 1 dimensional. I'd also like to keep JJ around because he's not close to being developed and LA isn't in position to unload their promising defense.

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While Handzus is overpaid, he was very valuable to Wayne Simmonds development last season and does fine in a shutdown role. Frolov is arguably our best 2 way player and I feel he brings more to the ice than Heatley who's more 1 dimensional. I'd also like to keep JJ around because he's not close to being developed and LA isn't in position to unload their promising defense.
well though i respect your opinion i think more people than not will feel its very fair for an LA point of view at the least.

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Just curious why? You'd lose the Hadzus contract and I think it's more than fair that you'd be giving up Frolov and JJ for Heatley. Interested in your thoughts on this one.
That's huge overpayment for Heatley, plus Handzus has a no movement clause. If LA trades for Heatley we trade the 5th & prospectsor jj & the 5th. We're one of the few teams with cap room to take on any high priced player & since there a plenty of them to choose from DL will take the one that best fits. Any team that is trying to move a high priced player, no matter how talented they are, is at a disadvantage because of the cap.


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There should be a rule. If misspell Heatley, your trade proposal disappears. Penalties double if you're Canadian.

I just don't see this happening and I really don't see too much motivation from Chicago's point of view. Not to mention that Handzus has a NMC and the only reason he has one is because the Kings matched Chicago's offer dollar for dollar but threw in the NMC to sweeten the deal... Handzus came here full expecting to stay the full term. In the end, there is a lot heading out of LA, but I will give props to liking the 5th not being included.

I also just do not see the need for three teams to be in this deal. I can't see this one getting beyond the drawing board.

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as a chicago fan id do it then bury zeus in the minors and just eat his contract as long as we get it of the cap...this trade would free up alota cap space for us but we have no use for zeus at his contract

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well though i respect your opinion i think more people than not will feel its very fair for an LA point of view at the least.
I've seen a lot worse proposals but I'm in the opinion that LA isn't in the position to unload multiple assets for 1 player, especially a winger. I'd do that deal for Vinny though.

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as a chicago fan id do it then bury zeus in the minors and just eat his contract as long as we get it of the cap...this trade would free up alota cap space for us but we have no use for zeus at his contract
No problem for LA keeping him, Ice Thug.

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interesting thoughts from each side, keep em coming

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If we are going to send someone to Chicago, I want one of their 3rd/4th liners instead of Kelly. I would much prefer to keep Zus than have Kelly. In fact, unless we are upgrading our 2nd line center, I want to keep Zus altogether. Too valuable. I'm hoping he stays through his contract and resigns a cheap retirement contract to center the 4th line and be the yearly veteran mentor for the youngsters in the bottom 6.

While I agree with Telos, props for leaving out the 5th overall, I just couldn't handle losing both JJ and Fro, let alone in the same trade. So in the end I wouldn't do this, and don't think it works throwing Chicago into the mix.

Value is pretty much there though.

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Just curious why? You'd lose the Hadzus contract and I think it's more than fair that you'd be giving up Frolov and JJ for Heatley. Interested in your thoughts on this one.
give away a top top 3 attacker and a top pair defenseman for a top 3 attacker ?????????

where is the sense????

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If we are going to send someone to Chicago, I want one of their 3rd/4th liners instead of Kelly. I would much prefer to keep Zus than have Kelly. In fact, unless we are upgrading our 2nd line center, I want to keep Zus altogether. Too valuable. I'm hoping he stays through his contract and resigns a cheap retirement contract to center the 4th line and be the yearly veteran mentor for the youngsters in the bottom 6.

While I agree with Telos, props for leaving out the 5th overall, I just couldn't handle losing both JJ and Fro, let alone in the same trade. So in the end I wouldn't do this, and don't think it works throwing Chicago into the mix.

Value is pretty much there though.
does colin fraser (sp?) work for ya so something like:

To LA - Heatley and Fraser+ 3rd or Kelly



To CHI - Jason Smith and Stoll



To OTT - Campbell, JJ, Frolov, Skille

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give away a top top 3 attacker and a top pair defenseman for a top 3 attacker ?????????

where is the sense????
Top 5-8 winger in the game for a potential #1 Dman and Frolov who many people feel will be traded or leave next summer as a ufa

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Top 5-8 winger in the game for a potential #1 Dman and Frolov who many people feel will be traded or leave next summer as a ufa
pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee

Frolov already said he will resign
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=629411
and Johnson was out of the game for 49 Games !!!!! sure he didn't scored 25 goals.....
but after he came back he was by far our best defender even in front of Doughty.........

what is going on these days.......... idiots always offers us 1 player and asking for 3 elite players........... are you serious???? Hockey is not played by stats....

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does colin fraser (sp?) work for ya so something like:

To LA - Heatley and Fraser+ 3rd or Kelly



To CHI - Jason Smith and Stoll



To OTT - Campbell, JJ, Frolov, Skille
Nah. I was thinking more along the lines of Eager/Burish/Ladd.

And trading Stoll is the same, if not worse than trading Zus without a 2nd line center coming back. Stoll would be a great 3rd line center, but is fine for now as 2nd line center, whereas Zus is the perfect 3rd line center but a poor 2nd line center.

Figure something else out other than JJ AND Fro.

If you insist on including Chicago...

To LA: Heatley and Burish and Hawks 3rd round pick

To CHI: Smith, Kelly and Martinez and Ott 2nd round pick

To OTT: JJ, Purcell, Boyle, Campbell and Skille and LA 2nd round pick

I don't know, it just gets too confusing with Chicago in there because there really isn't anything of ours I would think they would want.

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pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee

Frolov already said he will resign
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=629411
and Johnson was out of the game for 49 Games !!!!! sure he didn't scored 25 goals.....
but after he came back he was by far our best defender even in front of Doughty.........

what is going on these days.......... idiots always offers us 1 player and asking for 3 elite players........... are you serious???? Hockey is not played by stats....
Heatley is not elite but Zus, JJ, and Frolov are

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We won't be trading Dany Heatley and picking up the contract of a Brian Campbell. There's no way.

JJ's out as well. He's overvalued and I don't like what I've read about his attitude. And he's due for a new contract.

LA's not getting Heatley without the 5th overall and one of Teubert or Hickey minimum.

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Heatley is not elite but Zus, JJ, and Frolov are
Heatley is too 1 dimensional. I'd be pissed if DL traded Frolov straight up for him.

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Stoll was our best faceoff guy and on the PP. I don't see why he would leave. The guy is getting married in the next 2 months. I'd hate to see him having to worry about moving aswell. So, I don't see that happening. Kings just have too many valuable players

Handz is also very important to the young guys. You can't say that enough. Young guys need that atmosphere in the dressing rooms and on the ice. I'm not saying Chris can't do it... but, I think DL would be stupid to mess that chemistry up. He's a strong 3rd liner and plus I doubt he would waive his NMC.


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We won't be trading Dany Heatley and picking up the contract of a Brian Campbell. There's no way.

JJ's out as well. He's overvalued and I don't like what I've read about his attitude. And he's due for a new contract.

LA's not getting Heatley without the 5th overall and one of Teubert or Hickey minimum.
Sounds good.

5th overall and Teubert and scraps for Heatley.

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...I doubt he would waive his NMC.
If there was a place he would waive it for it would be Chicago though, I'll give the OP that.

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