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06-14-2009, 09:18 PM
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Islanders/Avalanche

To Colorado:
#1 Overall Pick 2009 NHL Draft

To Islanders:
#3 Overall Pick 2009 NHL Draft
#33 Overall Pick 2009 NHL Draft
Defenseman Nigel Williams

Why Colorado does this: They draft Victor Hedman to anchor their D for the next 15 years. They give up their #2 D prospect, and #33 pick, but small price to pay for one of the most talented D prospects ever....

Why New York does this: They draft Matt Duchene to become the leader and future #1 center. They grab an extra 2nd rounder in #33, and add a automatic top 5 prospect in their system in Nigel. Basically #33, and Nigel for a small downgrade if at all in some peoples eyes(Tavares/Duchene).

Islanders:
#3 pick
#26 pick
#31 pick
#33 pick
#37 pick

Islanders can seriously alter their franchise with a great draft this year, especially it being fairly deep especially in defenseman.

thoughts? please dont rip me too bad.

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06-14-2009, 09:19 PM
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Unless the Isles think Duchene is THE guy, I wouldn't do this if I was them. It really isn't enough for the 1st pick.

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06-14-2009, 09:29 PM
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I'd think the Avs are comfortable where they are.

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06-14-2009, 09:31 PM
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On behalf of the Islanders organization, we pass

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To Colorado:
#1 Overall Pick 2009 NHL Draft

To Islanders:
#3 Overall Pick 2009 NHL Draft
#33 Overall Pick 2009 NHL Draft
Defenseman Nigel Williams

Why Colorado does this: They draft Victor Hedman to anchor their D for the next 15 years. They give up their #2 D prospect, and #33 pick, but small price to pay for one of the most talented D prospects ever....

Why New York does this: They draft Matt Duchene to become the leader and future #1 center. They grab an extra 2nd rounder in #33, and add a automatic top 5 prospect in their system in Nigel. Basically #33, and Nigel for a small downgrade if at all in some peoples eyes(Tavares/Duchene).

Islanders:
#3 pick
#26 pick
#31 pick
#33 pick
#37 pick

Islanders can seriously alter their franchise with a great draft this year, especially it being fairly deep especially in defenseman.

thoughts? please dont rip me too bad.
I'm hoping the isles draft either Hedman or Tavares.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/ho...ow_top_pr.html
Tampa Bay and Colorado hold the second and third spots, respectively, in the draft order, and there was some speculation about a scenario in which the Islanders might trade down and still the get top player on their board. But when Snow was asked if he has a feel for what the Lightning and Avalanche are thinking, he put the kibosh on that notion.

"Why look in my rearview mirror?" Snow said. "There have been no conversations about going down."

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06-14-2009, 09:51 PM
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Colorado says hell no. As it stands, there seems to be some confusion as to which order the top three players will be drafted. Analysis: their talent levels are close. Thus, I doubt Colorado trades their 1st round pick, high 2nd round pick, and most promising AHL defenseman to move up two spots.

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06-14-2009, 09:58 PM
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There are only 2 scenarios in which the Isles move down: either they decide that Duchene is the best prospect in the draft, or Tampa/Colorado makes an offer they can't refuse. We've seen no indication that they think that highly of Duchene, and while this is a good offer it's not enough to justify passing on Tavares and Hedman.

Pass.

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06-14-2009, 10:05 PM
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It would probably take at the very least that much, but I don't think the Avs will overpay to go from Duchene to Hedman.

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Garth doesn't do it for a plethora of reasons.

However, in terms of pure value, this isn't a bad proposal.

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Colorado says hell no. As it stands, there seems to be some confusion as to which order the top three players will be drafted. Analysis: their talent levels are close. Thus, I doubt Colorado trades their 1st round pick, high 2nd round pick, and most promising AHL defenseman to move up two spots.

I can't even tell who the Isles wants. Some days I think it is Hedman, some days Duchene, and most days tavares.

So, yeah, no point for Col to move. One way or the other, they'll get a guy who would easily be #1 in most years.

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06-14-2009, 10:22 PM
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Probably already said but....


The Avs will be happy with whomever they get at #3

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06-14-2009, 10:23 PM
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There is just no motivation for Colorado to make this trade. They will be perfectly happy with whoever is left at #3 and there is no reason to trade a high second round pick and one of their most promissing prospects to move up two spots in a draft where there is debate as to which order the top 3 players will go in.

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06-14-2009, 11:12 PM
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I'll be honest, I don't really understand the overwhelming love for Duchene (disclaimer: I have not seen him play). Can he really be THAT much better than Kane, Schenn, Pajaarvi, and Schroeder?

I think Tavares and Hedmen have distanced themselves from the pack. It will take a lot more than this offer by Colorado to grab that pick.

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I'll be honest, I don't really understand the overwhelming love for Duchene (disclaimer: I have not seen him play). Can he really be THAT much better than Kane, Schenn, Pajaarvi, and Schroeder?

I think Tavares and Hedmen have distanced themselves from the pack. It will take a lot more than this offer by Colorado to grab that pick.
I think Schenn is a clear step below him, but will still be very good. Kane and MPS I think are terrible. Schroeder really isnt even in the picture as the third overall.

One thing that is worrisome about Duchene is he hasnt been the go to guy on his team considering they have Hodgson and Grachev. But I think he is clearly a better forward prospect than Schenn at this point and the other 3 are far behind.

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06-15-2009, 01:19 AM
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I would be more then happy taking a 2nd rounder to switch spots with Tampa, but it would take a first rounder next year to drop down 2 spots

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06-15-2009, 07:36 AM
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Only way I make a deal for the first pick would look like this:

Isles Get:
3rd Overall Pick (Colorado)
2010 1st Round Pick

Avs Get:
1st Overall Pick (NYI)
2010 2nd Round Pick

Doubt Colorado would do this and no way the Isles make the 1st trade.

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"Why look in my rearview mirror?" Snow said. "There have been no conversations about going down."
In 2008 it was "I would have to be absolutely blown away in order to trade the 5th overall".

This is why I take his words with a grain of salt. I don't really think last year's trade with the Leafs blew me away...

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06-15-2009, 08:45 AM
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To Colorado:
#1 Overall Pick 2009 NHL Draft

To Islanders:
#3 Overall Pick 2009 NHL Draft
#33 Overall Pick 2009 NHL Draft
Defenseman Nigel Williams

Why Colorado does this: They draft Victor Hedman to anchor their D for the next 15 years. They give up their #2 D prospect, and #33 pick, but small price to pay for one of the most talented D prospects ever....

Why New York does this: They draft Matt Duchene to become the leader and future #1 center. They grab an extra 2nd rounder in #33, and add a automatic top 5 prospect in their system in Nigel. Basically #33, and Nigel for a small downgrade if at all in some peoples eyes(Tavares/Duchene).

Islanders:
#3 pick
#26 pick
#31 pick
#33 pick
#37 pick

Islanders can seriously alter their franchise with a great draft this year, especially it being fairly deep especially in defenseman.

thoughts? please dont rip me too bad.
If the aves coujld move the 26th and 31st picks to a 15-16 piock overall maybe--if not==no

picking are slim after the top twenty and 1-2 are the guys to draft this year

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If the aves coujld move the 26th and 31st picks to a 15-16 piock overall maybe--if not==no

picking are slim after the top twenty and 1-2 are the guys to draft this year

The Avs don't have the 26th and 31st picks. The Isles do.

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06-15-2009, 11:42 AM
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In 2008 it was "I would have to be absolutely blown away in order to trade the 5th overall".

This is why I take his words with a grain of salt. I don't really think last year's trade with the Leafs blew me away...
Very well put. Exactly.

I wouldn't take much stock in any statement.

Then again, there are over 10,000-13,000 (draft party) reasons that they will likely be on point to get Tavares

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I'd think the Avs are comfortable where they are.
Im thinking the exact same thing......I think the Avs are more than content with Matt Duchene.

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In 2008 it was "I would have to be absolutely blown away in order to trade the 5th overall".

This is why I take his words with a grain of salt. I don't really think last year's trade with the Leafs blew me away...

I think you are being a big unfair to Snow here. His statements about not being willing to move his pick had more to do with pick-for-vet deals.

The deal he eventually did pull off was telegraphed by several of his comments leading up to the draft.

I don't necessarily consider Snow to be a good GM, but he is not a dishonest GM.

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There is just no motivation for Colorado to make this trade. They will be perfectly happy with whoever is left at #3 and there is no reason to trade a high second round pick and one of their most promissing prospects to move up two spots in a draft where there is debate as to which order the top 3 players will go in.
It might be cheaper to give something to TB so they dont pick Hedman,if avaliable.Dont know what athe value going back to TB would be.But it might be an affordable option.
Or they could trade with Tor for their 7th and Kaberle if Burke is really desperate to move up.

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Tampa desperately wants Hedman and the idea of the Leafs trading up at the cost of Kaberle is about as tired (and unrealistic) as it gets.

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I can't even tell who the Isles wants. Some days I think it is Hedman, some days Duchene, and most days tavares.
How odd.

Seems like most every other NYI fan (Taveras fanboy) is so confident, so self-assured, they know. Eh JT 91 NYI?

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So, yeah, no point for Col to move. One way or the other, they'll get a guy who would easily be #1 in most years.
Whoa! An objective view of the other team. How novel. How enlightened. How rare.

But I'd expect nothing less from you.

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