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Briere offered to Kings, Coyotes and Habs; all 3 decline

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06-15-2009, 05:20 PM
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Which has been the point made by numerous Kings fans opposed to a trade for Lecavalier who is both 4 years younger and a better player.

I'm curious what would happen in case of a buyout before the 13/14 season (god that looks weird writing that)? Is it based on his actually salary of $3m and $2m or on the CAP hit?

EDIT: Looks like Kings17 has the same though. I don't know how buyouts work though. I'm an amateur.
It's based on the money he gets actually paid that year, which makes it easy to buy him out towards the end of his contract.

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No hes not. He had 1 1/2 season at a ppg or better. That doesnt make him a ppg player especially when thats the only stretch of career hes done it and hasnt done it since.
you can't really blame his loss of production anymore. he was top-line on those sabres teams; he is essentially on the third line for the flyers now.

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No I think you ****ing live on Fantasy Island where the cap never ever escalates, and the Jeff Fingers of the world don't get 4m.

****, I know life would be a lot simpler if every good player came really cheap and on really short deals, but there's a thing called MARKET VALUE. 2009 is not 2012 or 2004.
But 2007 market value isn't the same as 2009 market value. If 29 GMs thought that Briere was worth 5M/yr and one GM thought he was worth 6.5M/yr, then 6.5M/yr was his market value. If the other 29 GMs still think he's worth 5M, his market value is now 5M. If you think that 6.5M/yr is his current market value, then I've got some stock I'd love to sell you at 2007 prices.

It was probably not a stupid signing at the time, but it was risky. As a GM you have to play the what-if game, and if you're not thinking about what-if the economy finally corrects and the cap goes down, you're not doing your job. Holmgren probably weighed the risks and decided it was still a good signing at the time, things just didn't play out ideally for him. Philly is ok for this season but if Holmgren is smart about it he'll be proactive and try to offload Briere now. But again, if the other 29 GMs think he's worth some arbitrary cap number well below 6.5M/yr, he's not going to get much back for him.

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you can't really blame his loss of production anymore. he was top-line on those sabres teams; he is essentially on the third line for the flyers now.
He still goes out there and plays right? Maybe hes third line because hes been passed by by better players. Hes a player with talent but hes not consistent enough to be considered a ppg player.

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God, I hate this PPG talk with Briere. HE'S DONE IT ONCE over anything resembling a full season people!

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No hes not. He had 1 1/2 season at a ppg or better. That doesnt make him a ppg player especially when thats the only stretch of career hes done it and hasnt done it since.
since lockout:
237 GP - 99 G - 151 A - 250 P - 0.42 GPG - 1.05 PPG



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God, I hate this PPG talk with Briere. HE'S DONE IT ONCE over anything resembling a full season people!
No he's done it over a four year span.

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He still goes out there and plays right? Maybe hes third line because hes been passed by by better players. Hes a player with talent but hes not consistent enough to be considered a ppg player.
You guys just like arguing against facts don't you?

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06-15-2009, 05:28 PM
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Timmy P is likely Eklund's neighbor. He is unequivocally and idiot. He's likely pushing his own agenda on the team to no avail.
Very doubtful. Timmy works for Comcast now.

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God, I hate this PPG talk with Briere. HE'S DONE IT ONCE over anything resembling a full season people!
Frankly whether he was "PPG player" or not doesn't bother me - he's still a 1st line forward IMHO. My problem is that he's likely on the decline and he's on a long-term deal (good part of it is at least it's front-end loaded).

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You have no idea what youu are talking about. Holmgren clearly has a huge J-*****, but he is not going to give away a PPG forward to sign him. Briere is a lot better than "good."
Briere is injury prone and has not been a PPG player since 3 seasons ago. He's 3/4's of a ppg player, on the decline

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06-15-2009, 05:39 PM
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It's based on the money he gets actually paid that year, which makes it easy to buy him out towards the end of his contract.
If that is the case and my calculator is functioning properly, he'd get a $1.25M CAP hit over 4 years for buying out the remaining two years on the deal.

I think I'd consider that if I was DL but I still wouldn't want to give much up to get him. You are doing them a favor and you also have to factor in the fact that this soon to be 32 year old had a series of injuries last year. Something the Kings have a bad history of and we also just took on Justin Williams. Finally, this could make or break DL's tenure as the Kings GM. A mistake here would more than likely cost him his job something I'm sure he is considering. That being said, he is a Flyer so we might as consider this a done deal.

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LA and Montreal are both in on Lecavalier, whichever one misses out COULD have some interest in Briere.

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If that is the case and my calculator is functioning properly, he'd get a $1.25M CAP hit over 4 years for buying out the remaining two years on the deal.

I think I'd consider that if I was DL but I still wouldn't want to give much up to get him. You are doing them a favor and you also have to factor in the fact that this soon to be 32 year old had a series of injuries last year. Something the Kings have a bad history of and we also just took on Justin Williams. Finally, this could make or break DL's tenure as the Kings GM. A mistake here would more than likely cost him his job something I'm sure he is considering. That being said, he is a Flyer so we might as consider this a done deal.
DANIEL BRIERE BUYOUT FROM CAPGEEK.COM
2009-2010: $388,889
2010-2011: $1,388,889
2011-2012: $1,388,889
2012-2013: $1,388,889
2013-2014: $5,388,889
2014-2015: $6,388,889
2015-2016: $1,888,889
2016-2017: $1,888,889
2017-2018: $1,888,889
2018-2019: $1,888,889
2019-2020: $1,888,889
2020-2021: $1,888,889

I'm not sure why it would be so much 13-15 since he was under 35 when he signed

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God, I hate this PPG talk with Briere. HE'S DONE IT ONCE over anything resembling a full season people!
I am ok with this classification though. Jason Blake's value is now sky high now! He's a 40 goal scorer! Since he did it once.... 3 seasons ago... it still must apply.

..Right?

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Given our cap situation we are going to get owned. Id be happy with a first rounder. Someone will take a 90 pt player for a 1st rounder, im sure of it.
A little misleading calling Briere a 90 pt player, he's a one time 95 pt player, but he's probably a 70 pt player. That's like trying to sell Cheechoo as a 56 goal scorer - would put him in the same class as OV.

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Seeing Philly's forward depth, their cap situation, and Brierre's huge contract, I think all Holmgreen should ask for is a mid first + good Prospect + young roster player.
My hunch is that is what Philly asked for which is fair but "they all said NO."
BIG CONTRACT at 31 years of age and just coming off an injury.

It's one of thise things that says - Buyer BEWARE.

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237 GP - 99 G - 151 A - 250 P - 0.42 GPG - 1.05 PPG





No he's done it over a four year span.



You guys just like arguing against facts don't you?


Then he's a 60 point player since the lockout.

237 games played - possible 326 = 59 games / year - 1.05ppg = 62 points.

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No he's done it over a four year span.



You guys just like arguing against facts don't you?
No just see them differently. Briere has had in his career 1 1/2 seasons of ppg play or better. Thats it. His first season and half since the loket were ppg or better. The last 2 arent. hes not consitent enough to be considered a ppg player. Hes had a 129 game span out of 591 in his career where he scored at a ppg or better. And that was 3 years ago.

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If that is the case and my calculator is functioning properly, he'd get a $1.25M CAP hit over 4 years for buying out the remaining two years on the deal.

I think I'd consider that if I was DL but I still wouldn't want to give much up to get him. You are doing them a favor and you also have to factor in the fact that this soon to be 32 year old had a series of injuries last year. Something the Kings have a bad history of and we also just took on Justin Williams. Finally, this could make or break DL's tenure as the Kings GM. A mistake here would more than likely cost him his job something I'm sure he is considering. That being said, he is a Flyer so we might as consider this a done deal.
Yeah, looking at the age I am not as sold. I thought he was 30, but he's going to be 32 and you have to get at least 4 good years out of him. Pasadena!

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It's based on the money he gets actually paid that year, which makes it easy to buy him out towards the end of his contract.
The salary he gets paid is 2/3 the remaining amount on the contract. But the buyout cap hit isn't based on remaining salary.

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DANIEL BRIERE BUYOUT FROM CAPGEEK.COM
2009-2010: $388,889
2010-2011: $1,388,889
2011-2012: $1,388,889
2012-2013: $1,388,889
2013-2014: $5,388,889
2014-2015: $6,388,889
2015-2016: $1,888,889
2016-2017: $1,888,889
2017-2018: $1,888,889
2018-2019: $1,888,889
2019-2020: $1,888,889
2020-2021: $1,888,889

I'm not sure why it would be so much 13-15 since he was under 35 when he signed
I was talking about if they bought him out in 2013/2014 when his salary drops to $3m and $2m in his last two years.

Looking at the numbers from capgeek.com (assuming that is accurate) and not the ones I manually miscalculated, it looks less desirable.

The CAP hit:

2013-2014: $4,333,333
2014-2015: $5,333,333
2015-2016: $833,333
2016-2017: $833,333

Buyout amount:

$833,333

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I was talking about if they bought him out in 2013/2014 when his salary drops to $3m and $2m in his last two years.

Looking at the numbers from capgeek.com (assuming that is accurate) and not the ones I manually miscalculated, it looks less desirable.

The CAP hit:

2013-2014: $4,333,333
2014-2015: $5,333,333
2015-2016: $833,333
2016-2017: $833,333

Buyout amount:

$833,333
Much less desirable. I guess the thinking behind that contract was that he might retire before the last two years, or that the cap would escalate and the actual dollars being paid aren't that bad if in the last two years he is a 3rd or 4th line winger.

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No just see them differently. Briere has had in his career 1 1/2 seasons of ppg play or better. Thats it. His first season and half since the loket were ppg or better. The last 2 arent. hes not consitent enough to be considered a ppg player. Hes had a 129 game span out of 591 in his career where he scored at a ppg or better. And that was 3 years ago.
Since he's joined the Flyers he's scored .9PPG. You guys are just splitting hairs now. What's really remarkable is the his PPG production didn't really drop much last season even though he was playing upwards of 3 or 4 minutes less per game and most of it was spent getting back into game shape after a long layoff.

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Much less desirable. I guess the thinking behind that contract was that he might retire before the last two years, or that the cap would escalate and the actual dollars being paid aren't that bad if in the last two years he is a 3rd or 4th line winger.
I personally don't think it is worth the risk. And if Dean Lombardi does do something like this and gives up anything of value, we'll know he is desperate.

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Briere's buyout chart per season.

Buyout Before 2009-10
8.00 - 7.00 - 7.00 - 7.00 - 3.00 - 2.00 = salary
6.50 - 6.50 - 6.50 - 6.50 - 6.50 - 6.50 = cap hit
22.66m buyout : below is buyout spread over 12 years
1.88 - 1.88 - 1.88 - 1.88 - 1.88 - 1.88 + 6 more years @1.88
6.12 - 5.12 - 5.12 - 5.12 - 1.12 - 0.12 + 6 more years @1.88
0.38 - 1.38 - 1.38 - 1.38 - 5.38 - 6.38 + 6 more years @1.88

Buyout Before 2010-11

7.00 - 7.00 - 7.00 - 3.00 - 2.00 = salary
6.50 - 6.50 - 6.50 - 6.50 - 6.50 = cap hit
17.33m buyout : below is buyout spread over 10 years
1.73 - 1.73 - 1.73 - 1.73 - 1.73 + 5 more years @1.73
5.27 - 5.27 - 5.27 - 1.27 - 0.27 + 5 more years @1.73
1.23 - 1.23 - 1.23 - 5.23 - 6.23 + 5 more years @1.73

Buyout Before 2011-12
7.00 - 7.00 - 3.00 - 2.00 = salary
6.50 - 6.50 - 6.50 - 6.50 = cap hit
12.66m buyout : below is buyout spread over 8 years
1.58 - 1.58 - 1.58 - 1.58 + 4 more years @1.58
5.42 - 5.42 - 1.42 - 0.42 + 4 more years @1.58
1.08 - 1.08 - 5.08 - 6.08 + 4 more years @1.58

Buyout Before 2012-13
7.00 - 3.00 - 2.00 = salary
6.50 - 6.50 - 6.50 = cap hit
8.00m buyout
1.33 - 1.33 - 1.33 - 1.33 - 1.33 - 1.33 = spread buyout
5.67 - 1.67 - 0.67 - 1.33 - 1.33 - 1.33 = spread savings
0.83 - 4.83 - 5.83 - 1.33 - 1.33 - 1.33

Buyout Before 2013-14
3.00 - 2.00 = salary
6.50 - 6.50 = cap hit
3.33m buyout
0.83 - 0.83 - 0.83 - 0.83 = spread buyout
2.17 - 1.17 - 0.83 - 0.83 = spread savings
4.33 - 5.33 - 0.83 - 0.83 = salary cap hit post buyout

Buyout Before 2014-15

2.00
6.50
1.33m buyout
0.66 - 0.66
1.34 - 0.66
5.16 - 0.66

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