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06-14-2009, 10:28 AM
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Esche's 05-06 season, 40 starts, .897 save percentage.
Esche's 06-07 season, 16 starts, .872 save percentage.

Biron's 08-09 season, 53 starts, .915 save percentage.

Esche has been horrifically below average in the post lockout era.

Congratulations on your fail.

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06-14-2009, 10:43 AM
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Yea that 06-07 was really his fault. The first year after the lockout is not horrible numbers. If we sign him as a back up there is no problem with that.

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06-14-2009, 10:55 AM
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My guess is that all the people that object to signing Esche forgot that we signed Emery as our new starting goalie. Esche would simply be a cheap backup.

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Yea that 06-07 was really his fault. The first year after the lockout is not horrible numbers. If we sign him as a back up there is no problem with that.
.897 is well below average.

And excusing a .872 by saying the team was horrible is naive in the extreme, even Niittymaki managed to put up a .894 that year.

.872 is beyond terrible, that's what I would expect out of an ECHL player.

It's just another attempt to try to shortchange the goalie position.

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06-14-2009, 10:57 AM
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My guess is that all the people that object to signing Esche forgot that we signed Emery as our new starting goalie. Esche would simply be a cheap backup.
So we want a guy who will play 20-25 games with a .872 save percentage?

Yeah, sign me up right here, it's not like those 20-25 games have a big effect on our season or anything.

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06-14-2009, 11:07 AM
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What in the name of all that is sacred is Holmer thinking? Emery is a low risk-high reward type deal if Emery can revert back to his 2007 form, but bringing in Esche to back him up? That is playing with fire and could ruin an entire season.

I can understand if Holmer brought in Esche to the Phantoms thus making him a viable third option, but it doesn't ease my mind to see him on the bench if Emery is having a rough go at it.

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06-14-2009, 11:26 AM
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Get Harding, or sign Danis, or Anderson, or whoever. Christ I'll play. But do not sign Esche......

How is this even on the table?

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06-14-2009, 01:34 PM
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Esche's 05-06 season, 40 starts, .897 save percentage.
Esche's 06-07 season, 16 starts, .872 save percentage.

Biron's 08-09 season, 53 starts, .915 save percentage.

Esche has been horrifically below average in the post lockout era.

Congratulations on your fail.
There are a couple of things you have to consider when comparing Esche with Biron...

I'm pretty sure Esche was dealing with some injuries through those seasons. The team in front of him was constantly injured and the blueline was still learning each other, dealing with new rules, and witnessing the season that experienced the most goals scored ever throughout the NHL. Factor in the fact that Desjardins, the anchor, was out half the season and I'm officially an Esche apologist.

Basically, Esche's numbers aren't the whole story and you have to consider that Biron wants 5 mill, Esche won't get even half that. That may be the biggest/only comparison you have to make between the two. Homer has to be shrewd with this and throwing Esche's name out there may just be another addition to his bargaining chip case when he sits down with Marty.

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06-14-2009, 03:28 PM
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How is Esche of the 04 season any different from Biron of last year. Both got us to the ECF and then didn't do so well next season, yet people are *****ing about letting Biron walk and are talking a bunch of **** on Esche. Doesn't make much sense
Compare the defense in front of them:

Esche in 2004:
Danil Markov
Kim Johnsson
Joni Pitkanen
Marcus Ragnarsson
Mattias Timander
Vladimir Malakhov

Biron in 2008:
Kimmo Timonen
Baydon Coburn
Randy Jones
Jason Smith
Derian Hatcher
Lasse Kukkonen
Jaroslav Modry

Esche had six good to very good defenseman. Maybe the best collection of defensemen on the team this decade. Not to mention Hitchcock's defensive system. Biron's unit had two very good defensemen and a few guys who used to be good. Not to mention the impenetrable John Stevens iron curtain up front. As for their play, Biron was mostly solid throughout, while Esche let in lots of weak goals. I don't love Biron but I think if he was in net in 04 we'd have won.

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06-14-2009, 03:47 PM
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Jesus, I can take Emery as the #1 provided we get someone in now who can take over after Emery is gone (or now in case Emery falls on his face). Trade Lupul or whatever for one of Harding, Pavelec, Halak or (though he wont be traded until Luongo is extended) Schneider. No to Esche though. Please, we don't need 2 freaking retreads in net with no real plan for the future. Lets to this the right way with a REAL plan in mind.

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06-14-2009, 03:52 PM
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Please, we don't need 2 freaking retreads in net with no real plan for the future.
Hmm..........

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Please, we don't need 2 freaking retards in net with no real plan for the future.
Fixed?

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06-14-2009, 03:55 PM
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What in the name of all that is sacred is Holmer thinking? Emery is a low risk-high reward type deal if Emery can revert back to his 2007 form, but bringing in Esche to back him up? That is playing with fire and could ruin an entire season.

I can understand if Holmer brought in Esche to the Phantoms thus making him a viable third option, but it doesn't ease my mind to see him on the bench if Emery is having a rough go at it.
I was going to say "Why the hell is this guy saying my name". haha

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06-14-2009, 07:51 PM
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My guess is that all the people that object to signing Esche forgot that we signed Emery as our new starting goalie. Esche would simply be a cheap backup.
So if Emery falls flat on his face, we'll have Esche to come save the day? You have to be kidding. With Emery as our starter this team needs to go after a young goalie with upside so if Emery diminishes, at least the season wouldn't be a total waste, as that young goalie would get valuable experience.

Besides our goalie situation, this team is set up to contend now, despite what naysayers will dispute. But those optimists who actually think a tandem of Emery and Esche will actually help this team progress at all are delusional. This team is matured except for in goal, but unfortunately the Flyers need to start over there and get a good young goalie with upside. Not goalies who played in Russia last year because they weren't good enough to play in the NHL.

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06-14-2009, 08:32 PM
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Emery is a 60 game goalie at best, more like 50. We need a backup who has shown he is capable of playing 25+ games a season, like Anderson (26 starts), Conklin (36 starts), Danis (29 starts), or Clemmensen (39 starts).

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06-14-2009, 09:16 PM
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How is Esche of the 04 season any different from Biron of last year. Both got us to the ECF and then didn't do so well next season, yet people are *****ing about letting Biron walk and are talking a bunch of **** on Esche. Doesn't make much sense
Actually it's quite simple.


They dumped Esche for Biron.


So if Biron is so bad, WTF would we want Esche for?

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06-15-2009, 12:45 PM
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I seem to remember one of problems with Esche was his bad attitude. With Emery and his disciplinary record, you've got the potential for big problems in the locker room. Pretty much the opposite of Biron/Nitty.

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06-15-2009, 03:34 PM
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I'd much rather re-up Nitty, To play the Atlanta games at least.

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06-15-2009, 04:12 PM
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Emery is a 60 game goalie at best, more like 50. We need a backup who has shown he is capable of playing 25+ games a season, like Anderson (26 starts), Conklin (36 starts), Danis (29 starts), or Clemmensen (39 starts).
...you mean like Robert Esche?

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Actually it's quite simple.


They dumped Esche for Biron.


So if Biron is so bad, WTF would we want Esche for?
1) Marty wasn't so bad
2) Esche would barely cost anything comparitively
3) It would be for the backup role, which Marty is beyond now.

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06-15-2009, 06:44 PM
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if we are gonna bring back an old flyer goalie id rather it was boucher.

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06-15-2009, 06:58 PM
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I was and am a huge Esche fan, but even I realize that bringing him back is a bad idea. We need a 1b type goalie, to supplement Emery, not a back-up who hasn't played in the league for two years.

I would, however, like him back on a two-way contract. If we bring in a young goalie like Harding, it would be a safe idea to have a proper back-up.

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There is a difference between cutting salary for cap and running out of ideas/doing stupid stuff. Isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? Maybe Homer has reached his limit as a capable GM. Seems like next season is going to be a throw away season.

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Honest to goodness, if they sign Rob, then the only thing this does is make the Philadelphia locker room possibly the most combustible room in the NHL. Esche AND Emery on the same team? That's just something that has dysfunction written all over it. However, they'd definitely put the FUN in dysfunction. It'd be Team Turmoil all over again with a Jerry Springer-esque circus in tow. As horrible as it would be, it would certainly be entertaining. There'd never be a dull moment, that's for certain.......

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06-17-2009, 09:32 AM
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if we are gonna bring back an old flyer goalie id rather it was boucher.
Why? Boucher and Esche are very comparable. Both can be stellar one game and then abysmal in the next.

If Emery is the starter, then they need someone who is more consistent from start to start. I'd be okay with giving Clemmensen a shot. I'm just not sure if he would accept a salary under $1.5 million.

One guy I'd take a flyer on would be David LeNeveu. I still think this guy can play at the NHL level as a good backup.

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Why? Boucher and Esche are very comparable. Both can be stellar one game and then abysmal in the next.

If Emery is the starter, then they need someone who is more consistent from start to start. I'd be okay with giving Clemmensen a shot. I'm just not sure if he would accept a salary under $1.5 million.

One guy I'd take a flyer on would be David LeNeveu. I still think this guy can play at the NHL level as a good backup.
Say what? Boosh put up a .917 in 22 NHL games last year. Esche put up worse numbers in a worse league.

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06-17-2009, 10:07 AM
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Say what? Boosh put up a .917 in 22 NHL games last year. Esche put up worse numbers in a worse league.
Boucher also had a really good team in front of him.

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