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06-17-2009, 09:48 AM
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Could stick Zubie with Ovie and drop Backstrom down to #2.


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Nylander for Zubrus

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06-17-2009, 09:56 AM
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The BFD is they don't have any money to replace his 19 goals. So I will ask one more time. What other players could the caps replace his 19 goals for less than 725k?

While i wait I think im done on this topic sine drake has nicely put this discussion to bed.
Obviously, I'm implying they should move him.

You can't have non-factors dressing in important roles in the postseason and expect to have success.

Why does it have to be for a player making less than 725k?

They're scheduled to lose nearly 20 million in salary by the end of next season.

His 19 goals on the cheap is decent trade bait.

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06-17-2009, 10:21 AM
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Laing re-signed

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06-17-2009, 10:22 AM
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I love Laing. Glad he got re-signed.

I wonder if it is a 1-way contract.

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06-17-2009, 10:27 AM
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I wonder if it is a 1-way contract.
I'd doubt it...but maybe Mafki was feeling generous.

Saw this from the Patriot-News the other day...

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I know it's hyperbole of sorts...but I really think he wants that phone to ring.

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Oh, no, not Zubrus.

That contract. Yikes.

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Ovi Backstrom Semin Fehr and Bourque can help replace those 19 goals. But dare I suggest that a forward that brings great defense but only chips in a few goals could help replace those 19 goals of Flash's, or anyones. As a team we can well afford to score 20 less goals and focus on a system that will help us give up 40 less goals, and be built much more for a strong playoff run. This is Caps country after all. We score plenty of goals already.

I guess most that are pro flash are happy with status quo. Thats cool and thats probably whats going to happy anyways. Just dont blame the defense again next year when the forwards do little to: prevent goals; including support on the step ups, and coming back on the breakout.

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06-17-2009, 10:42 AM
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Obviously, I'm implying they should move him.

You can't have non-factors dressing in important roles in the postseason and expect to have success.

Why does it have to be for a player making less than 725k?

They're scheduled to lose nearly 20 million in salary by the end of next season.

His 19 goals on the cheap is decent trade bait.
What are you suggesting he be traded for, and where does all of the offense that we've lost so far, to include your suggestion of trading Flash, get replaced? Even more unknown prospects from the system?

There's no logical reason to trade Flash this season. Classic case of pulling the trigger too early. The guy could score 25+ next season. He's certainly trending in that direction.

Makes no season to trade cheap players who are outperforming their contracts.

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06-17-2009, 10:55 AM
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Ovi Backstrom Semin Fehr and Bourque can help replace those 19 goals. But dare I suggest that a forward that brings great defense but only chips in a few goals could help replace those 19 goals of Flash's, or anyones. As a team we can well afford to score 20 less goals and focus on a system that will help us give up 40 less goals, and be built much more for a strong playoff run. This is Caps country after all. We score plenty of goals already.

I guess most that are pro flash are happy with status quo. Thats cool and thats probably whats going to happy anyways. Just dont blame the defense again next year when the forwards do little to: prevent goals; including support on the step ups, and coming back on the breakout.
There's a lot of assumptions here...is Fehr going to score 20+ and Bourque going to chip in with 15? I would be happy if that happened, but it's unlikely next year.

The idea of replacing a blossoming offensive forward with a defensive minded one isn't the key to fixing this team's defensive problems. Flash kills penalties, so it's not like he's a 1 dimensional player.

How about we keep the above average, but cheap offensive players, the ones every GM in the league would kill to have at their price/production level and focus on improving the D instead, you know...the guys who get paid to keep pucks out of the net. Bringing in more defensive forwards doesn't even mesh with BB's style of play.

Let's face it, this team is always going to be an offensive style of team with the talent we have.

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06-17-2009, 11:02 AM
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What are you suggesting he be traded for, and where does all of the offense that we've lost so far, to include your suggestion of trading Flash, get replaced? Even more unknown prospects from the system?

There's no logical reason to trade Flash this season. Classic case of pulling the trigger too early. The guy could score 25+ next season. He's certainly trending in that direction.

Makes no season to trade cheap players who are outperforming their contracts.
How is he outperforming the cheapest contract if he's a ghost in the playoffs?

Boggles my mind that this doesn't seem to concern fans.

Yay, SE Division Champs?

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06-17-2009, 11:06 AM
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He'll only play Hershey, that's quite an useless sign imo.

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I want them to get rid of Nylander and Clark as well.

They have a lot of deadweight.

I just don't see how Flash is a "bargain" if he's completely useless to them in terms of winning a Championship and produces at a rate well beneath the average top 6 forward on a contending team.

So he's cheap- BFD.

There are dozens of sub-1 million players who can contribute 37 pts and not vanish in crunch time.
Calling BS...


Flash wasn't useless. He's still developing. Like the others said....there are a hell of a lot of other targets to be focusing on instead of a cheap player who is trending in the right direction with respect to offensive development.

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I guess most that are pro flash are happy with status quo. Thats cool and thats probably whats going to happy anyways. Just dont blame the defense again next year when the forwards do little to: prevent goals; including support on the step ups, and coming back on the breakout.
You know what they say about making assumptions don't you...

Personally, while I am all for keeping Flash for another year, unless he's bringing in a real defensive defenseman via trade. That said, I certainly wouldn't call myself being content with the status quo.

At this point I am all for trading, waiving, loaning: Nylander, Theodore, Clark, Pothier and Schultz. These guys to me are either too expensive or too poor a performer to stay on this team next year.

I also would love to see Alzner, Bourque and Aucoin all get a shot next year. If they can get a Kubina via trade...perfect. If they get some grizzled vets to give some experience and grit on the wings at a decent price wonderful.

But since the team is cash strapped to me Flash's 19 goals is too much of a bargain. You can go out and get more defensively responible forwards without bumping Flash from the team. That's all I'm saying.

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06-17-2009, 11:14 AM
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Calling BS...


Flash wasn't useless. He's still developing. Like the others said....there are a hell of a lot of other targets to be focusing on instead of a cheap player who is trending in the right direction with respect to offensive development.
I just don't see it with Flash.

4 pts in 16 career playoff games.

Hope he proves me wrong.

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06-17-2009, 11:17 AM
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How is he outperforming the cheapest contract if he's a ghost in the playoffs?

Boggles my mind that this doesn't seem to concern fans.

Yay, SE Division Champs?
He was a ghost? 3g? Not anything to write home about, but he showed at least.


If he were Kozlov, a 15 year vet, sure I would be more concerned. He's not though...the guy is heading into his 3rd full season. Where are your complaints about the other playoffs ghosts? What about the other guys who didn't even produce as much as Flash and did it at a much higher salary?

Dunno man, just think there are lot more bigger issues to deal with than a 19g guy, making $725k, who has clearly improved his first two full seasons in the NHL.

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He's improved in virtually ever stat each year. Tough to say about many others (if any) on the Caps. Look at last season....+9 goals, -2 assists, +7 points, 4g improvement in the +/-, +6 in the PP goals, +3 GW goals, more shots on goal, increased shooting %. You could say he improved in the playoffs too. 3 goals, more icetime, actually dressing for the games and not sitting like last postseason.

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06-17-2009, 11:25 AM
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He'll only play Hershey, that's quite an useless sign imo.
So Hershey winning is "useless"?

I'm thinking Laing has a very good shot at making the Caps roster this year.

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06-17-2009, 11:28 AM
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So Hershey winning is "useless"?

I'm thinking Laing has a very good shot at making the Caps roster this year.
I don't see where. Love the guy's heart and defensive game, but where does he fit in and steal a roster spot? Maybe as a defensive specialist sitting in the pressbox, doing the bottom 3 forward rotation, but it's going to be tough to get him a roster spot with the young guys we have waiting in the wings.

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He was a ghost? 3g? Not anything to write home about, but he showed at least.


If he were Kozlov, a 15 year vet, sure I would be more concerned. He's not though...the guy is heading into his 3rd full season. Where are your complaints about the other playoffs ghosts? What about the other guys who didn't even produce as much as Flash and did it at a much higher salary?

Dunno man, just think there are lot more bigger issues to deal with than a 19g guy, making $725k, who has clearly improved his first two full seasons in the NHL.

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He's improved in virtually ever stat each year. Tough to say about many others (if any) on the Caps. Look at last season....+9 goals, -2 assists, +7 points, 4g improvement in the +/-, +6 in the PP goals, +3 GW goals, more shots on goal, increased shooting %. You could say he improved in the playoffs too. 3 goals, more icetime, actually dressing for the games and not sitting like last postseason.
Of course Flash isn't their only concern, but he's on the radar, IMO.

He was outplayed by Steckel and Bradley.

Agree to disagree.

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He'll only play Hershey, that's quite an useless sign imo.
Laing is a depth player that will be called up only if needed to fill a specific role. I disagree with the "useless sign" comment given what he brings to an organization and for young prospects that are developing in the organization.

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He'll only play Hershey, that's quite an useless sign imo.

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I don't see where. Love the guy's heart and defensive game, but where does he fit in and steal a roster spot? Maybe as a defensive specialist sitting in the pressbox, doing the bottom 3 forward rotation, but it's going to be tough to get him a roster spot with the young guys we have waiting in the wings.
4th line LW. I'd rather see Laing on the 4th line then a guy like Bourque. If Bourque is going to make the team it needs to be in the top-9. I don't like having young offensive players playing on the 4th line. It doesn't give them a chance to succeed.

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Laing is a depth player that will be called up only if needed to fill a specific role. I disagree with the "useless sign" comment given what he brings to an organization and for young prospects that are developing in the organization.
Agreed...From a heart and soul perspective, he's exactly the type of guy we want our young players to model their intensity level after. He's not useless in any way. If he can contribute to the big club great, if not, he's still in a leadership role in Hershey as a veteran.

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4th line LW. I'd rather see Laing on the 4th line then a guy like Bourque. If Bourque is going to make the team it needs to be in the top-9. I don't like having young offensive players playing on the 4th line. It doesn't give them a chance to succeed.
Typically I agree, however the Red Wings show us that skilled players can succeed on the 4th line (production-wise).

If the Caps are ever going to be a team that can roll 4 skilled lines, a guy like Bourque has to start somewhere. 4th line is the likely spot unless he impresses in camp.

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He won't probably play with the Caps, Hershey could have sign him so it wouldn't count on the Caps cap space.

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