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06-17-2009, 03:54 PM
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180 pts >>>> 110 points
Masterfully constructed argument.

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06-17-2009, 03:58 PM
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What a worthless argument. In that case my counter is Petr Sykora, Ruslan Fedotenko, Miroslav Satan and Tyler Kennedy for Ovechkin. 156 points >>> 110 points.

Malkin had 113 points btw, it was Ovechkin with the 110.

Players who can put up 80 - 90 points are a dime a dozen. The true elites are much rarer. Most think that Malkin is in a tier with two others and then there is a drop to the next teir. That is how rare. Adding numbers together and thinking that you are replacing a true elite with a couple of lesser players misses the point entirely. A couple of lesser players replacing an elite generational player makes you like most of the other teams in the league. The math may look good on paper but does not work out in real life.
There's maybe 6-8 players, 25 or under, that can put up 80-90 points, I'd hardly call that a dime a dozen.

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06-17-2009, 04:18 PM
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These two teams hate each other never mind picking up a phone and making deals.

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06-17-2009, 04:21 PM
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Sorry we don't make deals with Satan and his spawn. Pass...

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06-17-2009, 04:22 PM
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What a worthless argument. In that case my counter is Petr Sykora, Ruslan Fedotenko, Miroslav Satan and Tyler Kennedy for Ovechkin. 156 points >>> 110 points.

Malkin had 113 points btw, it was Ovechkin with the 110.

Players who can put up 80 - 90 points are a dime a dozen. The true elites are much rarer. Most think that Malkin is in a tier with two others and then there is a drop to the next teir. That is how rare. Adding numbers together and thinking that you are replacing a true elite with a couple of lesser players misses the point entirely. A couple of lesser players replacing an elite generational player makes you like most of the other teams in the league. The math may look good on paper but does not work out in real life.
Oh brother...

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06-17-2009, 05:13 PM
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Players who can put up 80 - 90 points are a dime a dozen. The true elites are much rarer. Most think that Malkin is in a tier with two others and then there is a drop to the next teir. That is how rare. Adding numbers together and thinking that you are replacing a true elite with a couple of lesser players misses the point entirely. A couple of lesser players replacing an elite generational player makes you like most of the other teams in the league. The math may look good on paper but does not work out in real life.
Question: How can players that put up 80-90 points be a dime a dozen when there are less than a dozen of them in existence?

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06-17-2009, 05:16 PM
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This is one of those proposals that begs the question "what does each team really gain from doing this trade?" Now, if you want to come up with a proposal which involves Brooks Orpik, then the Caps would probably be more willing to listen. But as others have said, inter-conference rivals typically don't help each other out.

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Players who can put up 80 - 90 points are a dime a dozen.
Only a Pens fans spoiled into arrogance by multiple generations of generational players coming through their roster can make that statement with a straight face.

Fans of the other teams that aren't half as lucky give that statement the finger.

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06-17-2009, 05:20 PM
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You dummies do know what Semin took a jab at Crosby, so those two playing together would probably cause Semin to go back to Russia.

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06-17-2009, 07:45 PM
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Here's a better deal that will work for both squads:

To Pittsburgh:
Future Considerations

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Future Considerations

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06-17-2009, 07:53 PM
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Crosby, Malkin and Fleury are going nowhere.

It wouldn't even make a difference if a massive overpayment was involved, period. Shero is going to keep these guys around for their entire careers, if it's financially possible. He will never, ever, ever deal them.

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06-17-2009, 07:56 PM
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Oh please let me laugh...

Backstrom can have 90pts/season, and Semin would have be close to the 100pts mark this season if he would have be healty.
Semin and Crosby won't work together. At least one of them strongly dislikes the other. He's also injury prone, one-dimensional, and rather soft.

Talent wise, it's plenty, but not in terms of how it would help the Pens on the ice.

Malkin might be the best player in the world. He is 22. He just won the Conn Smythe and Art Ross. It would take more than a king's ransom to move him to the Washington Capitals, where he would be able to bite the Pens in the ass for years to come.

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180 pts >>>> 110 points
I see I've been beaten to it, but the point remains that this is a worthless case.

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Here's a better deal that will work for both squads:

To Pittsburgh:
Future Considerations

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Big No from Pittsburgh. . Future considerations are players that are considered for the future. . think about it. .

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06-17-2009, 08:04 PM
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Oh brother...
No, they are not dime a dozen, but they're not nearly as valuable as top three players that come around a few times every couple of decades.

The salary cap and contract negotiations would eventually be a burden to the Pens if they did this deal, plus Semin is not worth the Malkin to Backstrom downgrade. Semin's a nice player, but the Pens did just fine without him. He's not a necessity to them.

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06-17-2009, 08:04 PM
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Semin and Crosby won't work together. At least one of them strongly dislikes the other. He's also injury prone, one-dimensional, and rather soft.

Talent wise, it's plenty, but not in terms of how it would help the Pens on the ice.

Malkin might be the best player in the world. He is 22. He just won the Conn Smythe and Art Ross. It would take more than a king's ransom to move him to the Washington Capitals, where he would be able to bite the Pens in the ass for years to come.
Only mentioning this because when a certain player's abilities/efforts get questioned, the fans immediately bring up takeaways. Semin had the most takeaways/game last season.

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Sorry we don't make deals with Satan and his spawn. Pass...
Oh yes, those evil, evil Penguins. Sorry if you're traumatized by them.

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Only mentioning this because when a certain player's abilities/efforts get questioned, the fans immediately bring up takeaways. Semin had the most takeaways/game last season.
As Caps fans have said many times regarding Malkin and Green, takeaways and giveaways are very non-telling stats. Semin's not physical and he floats. He's talented, but I personally don't much care for players like him on my team. He reminds me a lot guys like Kovalev and Kane. He puts up numbers, but that's his only impact on the game. Of course the 85 points would soothe the pain, but it doesn't change my philosophy.

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06-17-2009, 08:27 PM
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180 pts >>>> 110 points
I don't even want to know what Semin and Backstrom's raises are going to be, but I'm guessing we could never afford to sign them both.

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06-18-2009, 01:31 PM
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no. that would ruin the chemistry for both teams.
And for the Pens sake, no because of contract issues in the following seasons.

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06-18-2009, 02:15 PM
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No, they are not dime a dozen, but they're not nearly as valuable as top three players that come around a few times every couple of decades.

The salary cap and contract negotiations would eventually be a burden to the Pens if they did this deal, plus Semin is not worth the Malkin to Backstrom downgrade. Semin's a nice player, but the Pens did just fine without him. He's not a necessity to them.
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Question: How can players that put up 80-90 points be a dime a dozen when there are less than a dozen of them in existence?
Would that make them a nickel for 6?

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06-18-2009, 02:30 PM
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How about this:

To Pittsburgh:
Nothing

To Washington:
Nothing

These two teams aren't going to help each other, and Malkin and Ovechkin would not work together.

That's also not enough for the Pens' Art Ross and Conn Smythe winning franchise center who is 22 years old.
Pittsburgh loses this one, not enough Value..

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06-18-2009, 02:32 PM
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I'd probably do it because I like Malkin's contract.

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Semin is a headcase, but he's our headcase and we're happy with him the way he is. He puts up a ton of points for us in the regular season AND the playoffs. Is becoming a very good defensive player in the neutral zone as well

Ditto for Backstrom (well, minus the headcase part)

If Semin falters in Pittsburgh, Capitals run away with this. If Both Semin and Backstrom turn out to be consistent 90-100 point players and PPG playoff performers, Capitals lose out.

If any trade between Penguins and Capitals is to ever happen (and it won't), it should probably be something like Fleischmann + for Goligoski.

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You dummies do know what Semin took a jab at Crosby, so those two playing together would probably cause Semin to go back to Russia.
And Ovechkin obviously hates Malkin. So it's an even trade.



Do you people know anything about pro sports?

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