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Sedins reportedly want 63M-12 year deal... similar to Zetterberg's deal

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06-18-2009, 09:36 AM
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Sedins reportedly want 63M-12 year deal... similar to Zetterberg's deal

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282198

it's a long deal, but a 5.25 cap hit for those two would give vancouver a huge boost for the next 7-8 years (after that, i guess it's pray for the early retirement...)

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good luck getting signed till you're 40

28 yr olds dont get deals that long

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28 yr olds dont get deals that long
Well, unless you're one certain team.

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28 yr olds dont get deals that long
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=243275

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The 28-year-old franchise centre signed an 11-year, $85-million contract extension with the Lightning that will kick in for the 2009-2010 season and run through the 2019-2020 campaign.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

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Detroit signed forward Johan Franzen to an 11-year, $43.5 million deal Saturday, keeping him off the free agent market and retaining talent that helped the Red Wings win the Stanley Cup.

The contract averages $3.95 million per season. The team said the deal for Franzen, known as Mule, is the second-longest in team history.

“His production over the past year and a half, both regular season and playoffs, has been remarkable and we feel, at 29 years old, that he is just now entering the prime of his career,” said general manager Ken Holland.
But you probably don't follow the NHL, so that's cool.

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I'm not a fan of having 10.5 mil tied up in 2 40 year olds, but for the first 4-6 years of the deal it would be a steal.

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$62 Million each?

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Wait, they think they are each worth the same as Zetterberg?

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Definitely. Front-load the contract and it's a fantastic deal for two consistent 70-80 point players, especially Henrik.

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06-18-2009, 09:47 AM
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To me this isn't that bad of news.

1) the cap hit they see for themselves is reasonable
2) you can make the contract front loaded so buy out the last few years is a possibility AND trade is a possibility. They could also always retire from the NHL if they want to play a last few seasons in the SEL.
3) they clearly want to be canucks for their entire careers

I think there is a deal to be made if I'm a GM. But I'm not and Gillis is and if he doesn't want to go longer than, say, 7 years that cap hit is going to go up by a good bit.

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I want to see the Canucks sign them both and then trade one of them just for laughs. Honestly though, you would think that these guys would be intent on proving they could produce without one another.

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I'm not a fan of having 10.5 mil tied up in 2 40 year olds, but for the first 4-6 years of the deal it would be a steal.
if I'm the Canucks, I take that risk in a second!

The Sedins will not play in the NHL till 40... this is just a way to bring their cap hit down to $5.25mill - you add a few extra years before which they retire, to give them the money they want during their stay in the NHL.

The initial rumours were they were looking for $6.5mill/yr each... if you break down this rumoured 12-yr deal, to say $60mill over 9 years (where they retire at 37), they will make just over that $6.5mill/yr through their stay in the NHL.

They've already said numerous times now that they want to finish their playing career with MoDo... that they don't want to play in the NHL till their late 30s, and would like to walk away with still time left to finish their playing careers in Sweden.

If I had to guess, I'd say they'd be ready to retire by 36... but I just don't see them playing beyond 37.

And even at that age, considering how durable and consistent they've been, they should still be good hockey players in their mid-30s.

If this is what they're asking for 2 weeks before the deadline (when FA starts), I think it's a safe bet that they will be re-signed in Vancouver... no side is going to put their final offers on the table this early in the negotiating process.

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Apart, they are NOT worth Zetterberg money. But together, maybe...

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Wait, they think they are each worth the same as Zetterberg?
I doubt it. However the cap hit is a good chunk less than Zetterberg (800 k less) and this seems more like the beginnings of the two sides getting down and dirty in the negotiation.

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I want to see the Canucks sign them both and then trade one of them just for laughs. Honestly though, you would think that these guys would be intent on proving they could produce without one another.
why? do you really think they care what fans would be saying about them?

They are twins and are obviously very close... anyone that has a brother that you're close to - not even twins! - would you not want to play your brother if you could? Why would they care what assumptions fans around the league make of them when they are happy playing together in a place they enjoy?

They have played together since they put on skates as 2 year olds... on draft day they said that they were expecting to start their careers on different teams because they didn't think it'd be possible to be drafted by the same team... and now they've said that there's no reason to split up, since they've gotten to that stage in their careers where they can get that NTC and stick together on the same team.

How can anyone criticize them for wanting that is beyond me??

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Didn't Detroit just toss a couple contracts that took players into their late 30s/40s?

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I'm not a fan of having 10.5 mil tied up in 2 40 year olds, but for the first 4-6 years of the deal it would be a steal.
Plus if one of them goes down, they both go down ..... sort of.

What if instead of recovering the economy takes another hit? Possible.

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Wait, they think they are each worth the same as Zetterberg?
$6M = $5.25M now? Or do you just suck at math?

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Apart, they are NOT worth Zetterberg money. But together, maybe...
Zetterberg cap hit = $6.08 mil
Datsyuk Cap hit = $6.7 mil

One Sedin cap hit = $5.25 mil (in this offer from the Sedin side so likely will be lower).


That isn't Zetterberg/Datsyuk money. In fact a good chunk less.

Zetterberg and Datsyuk will cost the Wings $12.78 mil in cap space...the twins look like they will come in about $2-3 mil lower than that (if they sign and if the report is true).

Sedin + Sedin + $2-3 mil player or money allocated elsewhere, say a Kesler raise, may just equal Zetterberg and Datsyuk.

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$6M = $5.25M now? Or do you just suck at math?
In any event, Z is signed at a discount.

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Didn't Detroit just toss a couple contracts that took players into their late 30s/40s?

Yeah - DET is the king of the "extra" years to lower the cap hit. I think there is a difference thought when they have been a model professional franchise for the past 15 years, and they are locking up key players to post-season success.

Probably not a bad deal for both of the Sedin's, given the cap hit, and possiblility of them retiring with 2-3 years left on the deal to drop the big cap hit at the end.

Just a warning to some people though- when you buy out players with front loaded contracts, the cap hit on the back end is greater than the cash paid, so it can be really hurt to go down that path.

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Does anyone think there is another team out that will offer them a similar contract?

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Apart, they are NOT worth Zetterberg money. But together, maybe...
If rumors are any indication (where there is smoke...), the Oiler faithful should be expecting big things this summer - and unexpected things. Perhaps Tambellini is after the sisters. At the cap hit being discussed, I would like to see them playing alongside Hemsky.

Sedin Sedin Hemsky - it does not address the size/physicality issue in the top six, but it would give the Oil a legitimate - and dynamic - top line.

Vancouver would be foolish not to sign them at a 5.25 cap hit.


p.s. I vow to stop referring to them as the sisters if they are wearing Oilers colors.

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Well, unless you're one certain team.
my bad... well, 28 yr olds shouldnt get deals that long.

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my bad... well, 28 yr olds shouldnt get deals that long.

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Do you really not "get" these long term deals?

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