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06-18-2009, 01:33 PM
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Homegrown Defensemen

Simply put, of defensemen whose rights the Capitals possess on the NHL team who are signed, RFAs, UFAs; else in Hershey, South Carolina, juniors, college or Europe, who are your keepers and who seem to be fizzling out? Who is trade bait, and who is worth allowing to percolate a while longer?

What timelines do you foresee for certain players in development terms, else expiration dates, else peak dates?

Where are there holes, where the system might not be able to meet a need either in terms of niche, talent, type of player or maturation under a particular team contention timeline? What, and when, do you look outside the organization to fill on defense?

This stems from a Lepisto discussion on the trade board that is solid grist for an offseason wrasslin' match here. The Capitals have a lot of defensemen under contract or whose rights they possess developing elsewhere. Six dress nightly.

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06-18-2009, 02:03 PM
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prolly best to start with guys that played here last season and are under contract:
  • Pothier - it all comes down to how he plays this season, i thought he was pretty decent when he came back for the playoffs, especially considering how long he was off the ice... he plays out his contract here and GMGM re-assesses after the season.
    UNDECIDED after this season
  • Poti - with a healed groin i expect a more consistent Poti, but with our crap ice i expect an injured groin again. regardless he will be a big minute muncher for us and we need a few veterans on the blueline.
    KEEPER FOR NOW
  • Green - RFA in 2012-2013. until then i hope he gets better in his own end and if his offense has to take a bit of a back seat, thats fine. will help make him more affordable (hopefully).
    KEEPER
  • Erskine - didnt love the contract when GMGM gave it to him, but i must say big John has exceeded my expectations
    KEEPER

then our RFA's:
  • Juice - inconsistent but played pretty well in the playoffs, and does not command much salary... path of least resistance is to keep him. entertain all offers (but seriously doubt we would get one)
    KEEPER FOR NOW - BUT "AVAILABLE"
  • Mo - inconsistent as well, and is getting to the point where his salary is growing faster than his overall game. not worth 2 million / year... i honestly dont know
    see how negotiations go
  • Sarge - IMHO he needs icetime, gym time, and should be in the AHL to season, grow into himself... since that is not an option tho...
    KEEPER FOR NOW - BUT "AVAILABLE"

next i look at the top guys from Hershey that we expect to make the jump (either with the Caps or somewhere else - players that dont have anything more to prove at the AHL level)
  • LOLzner - should get real NHL time this season and needs to be here all season unless his game totally falls apart... which i doubt happens
    %100 KEEPER
  • Lepisto - has nothing left to prove in the AHL, should get a chance at the NHL... but i doubt it is with us. Draft day trade? he can help some NHL franchise as a bottom pair / PP specialist...
    %100 "AVAILABLE"


not gonna comment on anyone else, as i have listed 7 guys (8 if Mo is re-signed)

i would imagine our D going into this next season is:
Poti
Green
Pothier
LOLzner
Juice
Erskine
Sarge
*Mo -


* if he is re-signed, then i imagine the odd men out are Juice / Sarge... not sure BB has a favorite between those 2, although if last impressions mean anything Sarge sat out a good chunk of the playoffs...


i could write for hours but sadly i am expected to get work done today

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06-18-2009, 02:16 PM
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Keepers (in order of preference): Green, Alzner, Carlson, Poti, Schultz, Erskine, Lepisto, Collins.

Trade Bait: Morrisonn, Pothier, Jurcina, Godfrey.

Percolate: McNeill, Finley, Dogvan, Mestery, Miskovic.

Worthless: Tlyer F'ing Sloan

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06-18-2009, 02:21 PM
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The Dmen if Marsh was asked:

Regulars
(Guys that I would dress at all times)

Alzner
Green
Poti

NHL Rotation
Erskine
Jurcina
Lepisto
Pothier
Schultz
Carlson (for a few games)

I expect Morrisonn to be gone and I could see Jurcina being out as well, though I have no strong feelings on it either way.

Hershey Regulars
Carlson
Finley
Lepisto

Any of the other organizational defensemen I am shading towards thinking they will not pan out. I'm not writing them off, just indicating that I will be a little surprised if a regular NHL defenseman emerges from that crowd. I hope I'm wrong, and a guy like Godfrey has only had one pro season while competing with a stacked Bears D corps.

As far as who would be trade bait for me, pretty much anybody but Alzner, Carlson, Green, and Poti would be on the table to get back a better defenseman, but I'm not sure what kind of value those pieces would have.

I haven't seen Mestery or Seabrook in action (other than Dev Camp), so I don't have anything to base an opinion on for them. I'd trade either if it brought a good, veteran D back without hesitation.


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From the current roster I think the only two guys you really have to hold on to long term are Green and Schultz.

I know most don't really like Jeff, but his numbers are very impressive for a 23 year old guy. He's not big and mean, but he could turn out to be chara-lite given his size, etc. Take that with a grain of salt, but Chara had back to back -27 seasons on long island before moving to the senators and posting a +30. Schultz has been +5, +12, +13 in his 3 years in washington. Those numbers are pretty impressive for a guy who contributes almost nothing offensively. Think of it this way, it isn't really surprising that Green would have a high +/- because he pots a PPG. Schultz does it by keeping pucks out of the net. He's also on the ice for a lot of goals for, so that tells me that he not only keeps pucks out of the net, but that he also does a good job moving the puck up the ice.

Anyway, the point is that green and schultz should be the foundations of the home grown defensive core. All the other players on the current roster will probably move along in short order (pothier's, poti's, erskine's contracts are up in 1 or 2 years. Mo and Jurcina are RFA's and, i would think, won't get long term deals this summer.

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Keepers (in order of preference): Green, Alzner, Carlson, Poti, Schultz, Erskine, Lepisto, Collins.

Trade Bait: Morrisonn, Pothier, Jurcina, Godfrey.

Percolate: McNeill, Finley, Dogvan, Mestery, Miskovic.

Worthless: Tlyer F'ing Sloan

agree on all points. Tyler Sloan even looks worthless in the AHL, so that's saying something!

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In terms of what I expect from each....

Green: Lifer. Dynamic point producing defensman for years to come.
Alzner: Green's partner on the blueline. Capitan material.
Carlson: Stud #3 who will help take pressure off Green.
Poti: Will likely re-up and be the grizzled vet.
Schultz: He'll figure it out...or be shipped out at some point.
Erskine: See Poti. Grizzled vet.
Lepisto: I still think he has potential. Hold on to him for now.
Collins: His reduced 625K salary will come in handy at some point as a replacement

Morrisonn: Just get it over with.
Pothier: Dead man walking...well, not anymore. But he's gone after this season.
Jurcina: Could stay, could go. Push.
Godfery: Balsa wood.

McNeill: I like him as a PP guy...might be a bit undersized for the NHL, but might just need some more time.
Finley: Big Joe...this will be a very important season for him. No rush however.
Dogvan: Russian Wrecking ball. Hope he comes back over.
Mestery: Plently of time to wait for him, project.
Miskovic: AHL/part time ECHL time for him.

Sloan: Come on.

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Alzner and Carlson are the two guys in hershey that I see having significant contributions at the NHL level in the near future. Next year is probably too soon for both of them simply due to numbers. But the year after that both of them could be in the lineup every night.

Looking down the list of prospects in hershey the only other guys that I see who might make it into the caps lineup are Kronwall if he's re-signed and Joe Finley because of his size and nasty streak. I'm not sure the caps are going to resign kronwall, but it will depend on what happens with mo and juice this offseason. I see finley replacing erskine in the lineup a few years from now...but I don't think that's a lock by any stretch. He might not make it.

There are other interesting players, Lepisto, Godfrey, Collins, Sloan, etc., but I doubt they get into the lineup regularly but will see duty as call-ups for the next few years.

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Green, Schultz, Alzner, Carlson is really young. But I see all 4 of those guys in the lineup in 2 years time.

That leaves 2 obvious holes. The first is veteran leadership. Frankly, with that lineup there is none. Sure, green will have 5 years under his belt, but he'll still only be 25. They will need to have a couple of older players.

Ideally I think those would be a physical guy and a solid steady guy. Poti might fill one of those roles if he is re-upped after his deal expires. A guy like Kubina could be the other, but I doubt he's the guy. I'm not sure who the guy would be, but I think the caps could really use a banger that is overall a better player than erskine. Brooks Orpik would be the type of player I'm thinking of.

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I'd just like to add...I basically gave up on Finley the day he decided to return for his senior year....but just looking back at some note I jotted down for him at the development camp, I'm regaining some hope that he pans out.

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What??? No Pokuluk????

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What??? No Pokuluk????
Who?

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What??? No Pokuluk????
His 11 points in the ECHL this year scream keeper.

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bah, so little time right now, but a comment about the Lepisto discussion...IMO, this has to be looked at from his perspective, as well as the organizational perspective. As I have posted before, if still a member of the organization when QOs are due, I expect him to be extended a QO as my thoughts about him are similar to Strung's, but why would he sign it right now given his time in the Capitals organization and the comments by Boudreau? a QO would be a two-way deal, he'd be waiver exempt (I am pretty sure) to start the season, and he fell on the depth chart within the organization. There were reports a few months ago that some Swedish teams were interested in signing him. If he isn't traded this summer, it's going to be interesting to see what happens. Is a change in the asst coach for the D going to change the situation for both sides? I still think he gets traded this summer, possibly at the draft.

Godfrey - Have to wait and see what happens next season but a project, which is nothing new.

Dovgan - I agree with the keep him/hope he returns comments and that he continues to develop, but curious if he returns for next season, gets bought out, or stays overseas and is suspended (doubt a buyout is worth the money to do it and the minimal cap hit for year 2 (1/3 twice the length); they did it with Yonkman when the cap situation was a bit different); would like to know if an injury is what kept him off the ECHL playoff roster (not just the depth of dmen, which was also the case)

Pokulok - don't expect him to get a QO (edit: and he wasn't mentioned above when I typed this)

Seabrook - curious to see where he plays this season; give him the season and then decide whether to sign him therefore taking advantage of the extra time since he started as an NCAA player

Miskovic - Wait and see how he looks, but agree he could be spending some time in the ECHL next season.

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Over the next three or four seasons, I don't see the Caps going with a youth heavy defense corp. That meaning more than one per pair. That means that I find it hard to believe the Caps will choose to skate a D corp of Green, Schultz, Alzner and Carlson plus two other more veteran players.

I am not sure how they work it out, but in my view there as got to be some roster movement in the not too distant future

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In terms of what I expect from each....

Green: Lifer. Dynamic point producing defensman for years to come.
Alzner: Lifer. Green's partner on the blueline. Capitan material.
Carlson: Stud #3 who will help take pressure off Green.
Poti: Will likely re-up and be the grizzled vet.
Schultz: He'll be shipped out at some point.
Erskine: See Poti. Grizzled vet.
Lepisto: I still think he has potential. Hold on to him for now.
Collins: His reduced 625K salary will come in handy at some point as a replacement

Morrisonn: Just get it over with.
Pothier: Dead man walking...well, not anymore. But he's gone after this season.
Jurcina: Could stay, could go. Push.
Godfery: Balsa wood.

McNeill: I like him as a PP guy...might be a bit undersized for the NHL, but might just need some more time.
Finley: Big Joe...this will be a very important season for him. No rush however.
Dogvan: Russian Wrecking ball. Hope he comes back over.
Mestery: Plently of time to wait for him, project.
Miskovic: AHL/part time ECHL time for him.
Seabrook: Excited to see what he can provide to the organization.

Sloan: Come on.
I agree with Strung, with only a few minor alterations (changes or additions in bold font.)

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Over the next three or four seasons, I don't see the Caps going with a youth heavy defense corp. That meaning more than one per pair. That means that I find it hard to believe the Caps will choose to skate a D corp of Green, Schultz, Alzner and Carlson plus two other more veteran players.

I am not sure how they work it out, but in my view there as got to be some roster movement in the not too distant future
as soon as i read this i thought of Chicago's young and very talented defensemen (Seabrook 24, Keith 25, Barker 23). now i am NOT doing a player comparison here. i will however say that Green, Alzner, Carlson could be comparable talent wise and in 3-4 years time be ideal as a defense core (if they all pan out accordingly)

in the meantime, these next 2 seasons really, i think GMGM owes it to the young guys to have stable vets anchor pairing with young guys, and i dont consider Pothier a 'stable vet'... Poti is the only one we currently employ.

this upcoming season we add Alzner - the season after, Carlson. by that time the Juice / Mo / Sarge / Pothier situations will have worked themselves out... and hopefully GMGM is savvy enough to bring in a mentoring vet... on and off the ice, it would be worth it.

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Sloan: Come on.
Makfi wants you to be happy, so he re-signed Tyler F for the next season!

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Seabrook: Excited to see what he can provide to the organization.
Have Caps signed him?

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To Tomppav: The Caps havent signed him, but they still hold his rights. I expect him to be signed at some point in the not too distant future.

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To Tomppav: The Caps havent signed him, but they still hold his rights. I expect him to be signed at some point in the not too distant future.
I thought I remember seeing that Sloan signed a deal with Hershey but I could be remembering wrong.

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To Tomppav: The Caps havent signed him, but they still hold his rights. I expect him to be signed at some point in the not too distant future.
From Japers' Rink:

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Update: Per the team, Sloan has been re-signed for next season. Further details have not yet been disclosed.

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I thought I remember seeing that Sloan signed a deal with Hershey but I could be remembering wrong.
I believe the question was about Seabrook not Sloan. Caps still hold his rights until next summer, but at this time, no one has reported that he is under contract and there is no rush. Seabrook is done with the WHL as he just completed his overage season.

Sloan is signed to an NHL contract with the Caps for next season.

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To add to that, Leone wrote today that it is a two-way deal for one season, but unless I am seeing things or there was a different article, he removed that line from his notes in the online version; not sure why the team is being secretive on this one???

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I believe the question was about Seabrook not Sloan. Caps still hold his rights until next summer, but at this time, no one has reported that he is under contract and there is no rush. Seabrook is done with the WHL as he just completed his overage season.

Sloan is signed to an NHL contract with the Caps for next season.
Yeah I read that completley wrong.

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