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06-19-2009, 08:42 PM
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Calgary - San Jose

Calgary:
Thornton

San Jose:
Jokinen
Nemisz
Langkow

They can get Cammallari back since Keenan is out

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06-19-2009, 08:43 PM
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Calgary:
Thornton

San Jose:
Regher
Nemisz
Langkow

Calgary wouldn't do it.

We all saw how they faired without Regehr in the line up. He is severely under-appreciated throughout the league.

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06-19-2009, 08:45 PM
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06-19-2009, 08:47 PM
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counter proposal...

to Calgary:
Jonathan Cheechoo
Brad Lukowich

to San Jose:
Daymond Langkow

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06-19-2009, 08:53 PM
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Let someone else have Cammy. He's useless without a set-up man, and Iggy's a more capable scorer.

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06-19-2009, 09:11 PM
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I would love Big Joe feeding Iggy, but Calgary cant afford to let Regehr go he is basically the only reliable player in our own zone.

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06-19-2009, 10:43 PM
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Calgary:
Thornton

San Jose:
Jokinen
Nemisz
Langkow

They can get Cammallari back since Keenan is out
seeing as how you edited your original proposal to swap Jokinen instead of Regehr, I'd take it. I like Langkow, but he's being payed too much, and I'm not sure how I feel about Jokinen. basically, we pay 2 million more for a much better #1 center, and we get him for 1 more year than we would Jokinen. Having Langkows contract gone, to me, only sweetens the deal.

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06-19-2009, 10:54 PM
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I don't see either Marleau or Thornton going to a rival like the Flames.

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06-19-2009, 11:03 PM
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Calgary:
Thornton

San Jose:
Jokinen
Nemisz
Langkow

They can get Cammallari back since Keenan is out
I will admit that I have no idea who Nemisz is. I can't find him on the Cap Central list on Hockeybuzz. But San Jose is not the team to be doing your salary dump with. You are sending the Sharks $9.75 million and only taking back $7.2 million. So not only do the Sharks give up the best player in the deal, they end up taking your salary dump. Then add on the fact that you are sending 2 Centers when the Sharks are already stacked at that position, and this trade makes sense from any angle at all for the Sharks. It's probably good for the Flames, but it utterly blows for the Sharks.

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06-19-2009, 11:06 PM
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Calgary:
Thornton

San Jose:
Jokinen
Nemisz
Langkow

They can get Cammallari back since Keenan is out

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06-19-2009, 11:09 PM
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Calgary:
Thornton

San Jose:
Jokinen
Nemisz
Langkow

They can get Cammallari back since Keenan is out
The Sharks can get better for Thornton than this and they have no way to take on that kind of salary. Nemisz is a good prospect and one I would definitely look to get for Thornton but the other two pieces just don't work.

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06-19-2009, 11:10 PM
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Brutal trade.

Never in a million years.

Hell, i don't want any of those players period, for any price. Jokinen is only usefull WITH Thornton, not without him.

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06-19-2009, 11:30 PM
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Jokinen is only usefull WITH Thornton, not without him.
As seen by the many years they've played together.

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Jokinen and Thornton on the same team would do some damage

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Calgary:
Thornton

San Jose:
Jokinen
Nemisz
Langkow

They can get Cammallari back since Keenan is out
This will never happen. Thornton is a good player but I would not give this much to get him, If Patrick Marleau did not have a bad contract I would want him more than Thornton.

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I will admit that I have no idea who Nemisz is. I can't find him on the Cap Central list on Hockeybuzz. But San Jose is not the team to be doing your salary dump with. You are sending the Sharks $9.75 million and only taking back $7.2 million. So not only do the Sharks give up the best player in the deal, they end up taking your salary dump. Then add on the fact that you are sending 2 Centers when the Sharks are already stacked at that position, and this trade makes sense from any angle at all for the Sharks. It's probably good for the Flames, but it utterly blows for the Sharks.
Nemisz is our #2 ranked offensive prospect... he is not on the hockeybuzz list yet because he hasn't been signed since being drafted last season... and this trade is just as bad if not worse for the Flames... we already suck in the playoffs why do we need Thornton to compound that

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I will admit that I have no idea who Nemisz is. I can't find him on the Cap Central list on Hockeybuzz. But San Jose is not the team to be doing your salary dump with. You are sending the Sharks $9.75 million and only taking back $7.2 million. So not only do the Sharks give up the best player in the deal, they end up taking your salary dump. Then add on the fact that you are sending 2 Centers when the Sharks are already stacked at that position, and this trade makes sense from any angle at all for the Sharks. It's probably good for the Flames, but it utterly blows for the Sharks.
Nemisz is our #2 ranked offensive prospect... he is not on the hockeybuzz list yet because he hasn't been signed since being drafted in the 1st round of the '08 draft...

and this trade is just as bad if not worse for the Flames... we already suck in the playoffs why do we need Thornton to compound that

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06-20-2009, 12:29 AM
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If Patrick Marleau did not have a bad contract
I assume by bad contract you mean signed to a great price but for only one year.

Cause Marleau took a big time home town discount, he's a bargain. Only reason sharks consider trading him is to change captains and not cause drama on the team.

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06-20-2009, 12:31 AM
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Nemisz is our #2 ranked offensive prospect... he is not on the hockeybuzz list yet because he hasn't been signed since being drafted in the 1st round of the '08 draft...

and this trade is just as bad if not worse for the Flames... we already suck in the playoffs why do we need Thornton to compound that
Thanks for including that space, bro.

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I assume by bad contract you mean signed to a great price but for only one year.

Cause Marleau took a big time home town discount, he's a bargain. Only reason sharks consider trading him is to change captains and not cause drama on the team.
Marleau did not take a hometown discount. He was paid fair market value. Thornton, now he took a big hometown discount.

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06-20-2009, 01:25 AM
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Marleau did not take a hometown discount. He was paid fair market value. Thornton, now he took a big hometown discount.
You're correct on all three points but to be fair Marleau would've been paid more on the open market.

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Marleau did not take a hometown discount. He was paid fair market value. Thornton, now he took a big hometown discount.
I don't even know if you can say marleau got market value... 6.3 million is alot for a player with a whole three 60 point seasons over an 11 year career... and a player who had none before Thornton was acquired

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I don't even know if you can say marleau got market value... 6.3 million is alot for a player with a whole three 60 point seasons over an 11 year career... and a player who had none before Thornton was acquired
It's funny that you use 60 as a cutoff. He's had three 70+ point seasons, including two point-per-game. This one would've been too, if not for a torn MCL late in the season. With the exception of his terrible season two years ago (which is looking more and more like an aberration), he's a fairly sure bet for 30+ goals too.

Also, his defensive game is phenomenal, he's a terribly underrated leader and contrary to what everyone likes to believe, is a solid playoff performer.

And yeah, he had no 70+ point seasons before Thornton was acquired, but Thornton was acquired when Marleau was 25, just entering his prime years. But of course that would have nothing to do with it, he's obviously a leech, right? (Correlation is so much more fun than actual causation.)

6.3 is pretty fair for what he brings to the table.

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I don't even know if you can say marleau got market value... 6.3 million is alot for a player with a whole three 60 point seasons over an 11 year career... and a player who had none before Thornton was acquired
You look at his goal production the last six years and you'll see why it was fair. If you look at the team and realize that Patrick Marleau still on average, before being put on the same line as Thornton, was playing the best defensive pairing the opposition had to offer and not Thornton, you'll see why it was fair.

Hell, even this year Patrick Marleau carried Joe Thornton for the majority of the season until the injury bug took out the entire bottom six of the lineup and subsequently took Marleau out. You're not going to find a lot of players in this league scoring 25+ goals a year for a good portion of the last six years getting paid less than that.

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