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Third-Team All Stars (1965-present)

I’ve assembled the “third-team” all-stars for each year from 1965 to the present, based on actual NHL voting records. My sources include the Globe & Mail, the Toronto Star, and the Awards Voting thread on this website. The source for voting from 1965-1978 is the Globe, unless otherwise stated, and the source from 1979-present is HFBoards, unless otherwise stated.

The purpose of this exercise was to 1) highlight excellent players who have been overlooked due to tough competition at their position, 2) look for trends/patterns in the voting and 3) kill time while fighting a cold that just won’t go away. I think I’ve been successful on all three counts.

Since this is based entirely on the actual voting results, it's as official and authoritative as the first- and second-team all-star selections (though I am missing data).

I looked into 1960-1964, but voting results aren’t available.

1965
C: Henri Richard
LW: Johnny Bucyk
RW: Rod Gilbert
D: Marcel Pronovost, Harry Howell
G: Johnny Bower

1966
C: Norm Ullman
LW: Doug Mohns
RW: Bob Nevin
D: JC Tremblay, Harry Howell
G: Roger Crozier

1967
(*From the Toronto Star; data missing)
RW: Rod Gilbert

1968
C: Jean Beliveau
LW: Gilles Tremblay
RW: John McKenzie
D: Pierre Pilote, Ted Green
G: Johnny Bower

1969
(*From the Toronto Star)
C: Red Berenson
LW: Vic Hadfield
RW: Ken Hodge
D: Al Arbour, Jim Neilson
G: Jacques Plante

1970
C: Walt Tkaczuk
LW: Johnny Bucyk
RW: Bill Goldsworthy
D: Al Arbour, Jim Neilson
G: Jacques Plante

1971
C: Norm Ullman
LW: Wayne Cashman
RW: John McKenzie
D: Keith Magnuson, Dallas Smith
G: Tony Esposito

1972
C: Bobby Clarke
LW: Frank Mahovlich
RW: Mickey Redmond
D: J.C. Tremblay, Dallas Smith
G: Gerry Cheevers

1973
C: Gil Perreault
LW: Johnny Bucyk
RW: Jim Pappin
D: Jacques Laperriere, Serge Savard
G: Gilles Villemure

1974
C: Darryl Sittler
LW: Frank Mahovlich
RW: Bill Goldsworthy
D: Guy Lapointe, Carol Vadnais
G: Gilles Gilbert

1975 (* From HFBoards)
C: Gil Perreault
LW: Danny Grant
RW: Rod Gilbert
D: Brad Park, Serge Savard
G: Gary Smith

1976
C: Pete Mahovlich
LW: Chuck Lafley
RW: Jean Pronovost
D: Serge Savard, Jimmy Watson
G: Wayne Stephenson

1977 (* From HFBoards)
C: Bobby Clarke
LW: Eric Vail
RW: Marcel Dionne*
D: Serge Savard, Brad Park
G: Glen Resch

* Marcel Dionne was a centre this year and was named as the first-team all-star centre. Still, he received the 3rd-most votes as a RW. The actually right-winger with the most votes was the second-best #99 in history, Wilf Paiment.

1978
C: Bobby Clarke
LW: Bill Barber
RW: Terry O'Reilly
D: Serge Savard, Barry Beck
G: Tony Esposito

* Finally found a source for this. Link.

1979
(*Using data from HFBoards post from now on)
C: Guy Chouinard
LW: Steve Shutt
RW: Bob MacMillan
D: Barry Beck, Guy Lapointe
G: Mike Palmateer

1980
C: Gil Perreault
LW: Steve Payne
RW: Mike Bossy
D: Mark Howe, Barry Beck
G: Mike Liut

1981
C: Bryan Trottier
LW: Steve Shutt
RW: Wayne Babych
D: Rod Langway, Larry Murphy
G: Don Edwards

1982
C: Peter Stastny
LW: Bill Barber
RW: Dino Ciccarelli
D: Craig Hartsburg, Larry Robinson
G: Rick Wamsley

1983
C: Peter Stastny
LW: Al Secord
RW: Rick Middleton
D: Doug Wilson, Denis Potvin
G: Murray Bannerman

1984
C: Barry Pederson
LW: John Ogrodnick
RW: Rick Middleton
D: Phil Housley, Mike Ramsay
G: Rejean Lemelin

1985
C: Marcel Dionne
LW: Michel Goulet
RW: Tim Kerr
D: Scott Stevens, Mark Howe
G: Reggie Lemelin

1986
C: Peter Stastny
LW: Glenn Anderson
RW: Tim Kerr
D: Rod Langway, Doug Wilson
G: Grant Fuhr

1987
C: Dale Hawerchuk
LW: Esa Tikkanen
RW: Dino Ciccarelli
D: Larry Robinson, Ulf Samuelsson
G: Grant Fuhr

(This has to be the toughest all-star team to play against!)

1988
C: Denis Savard
LW: Mats Naslund
RW: Craig Simpson
D: Kevin Lowe, Chris Chelios
G: Tom Barrasso

1989
C: Steve Yzerman
LW: Mats Naslund
RW: Rob Brown
D: Steve Duchesne, Brad McCrimmon
G: Greg Millen

1990
C: Steve Yzerman
LW: Vincent Damphousse
RW: Stephane Richer
D: Phil Housley, Al Iafrate
G: Andy Moog

1991
C: Joe Sakic
LW: Pat Verbeek
RW: Theo Fleury
D: Paul Coffey, Scott Stevens
G: Andy Moog

1992
C: Wayne Gretzky
LW: Gary Roberts
RW: Joe Mullen
D: Larry Murphy, Al MacInnis
G: Ed Belfour

1993
C: Doug Gilmour
LW: Dave Andreychuk
RW: Pavel Bure
D: Kevin Hatcher, Phil Housley
G: Felix Potvin

1994
C: Doug Gilmour
LW: Dave Andreychuk
RW: Brett Hull
D: Sergei Zubov, Chris Chelios
G: Patrick Roy

1995
C: Ron Francis
LW: Brendan Shanahan
RW: Brett Hull
D: Eric Desjardins, Phil Housley
G: Jim Carey

* See write-up in awards results thread for description of unusual voting procedure for 1995.

1996
C: Mark Messier
LW: Keith Tkachuk
RW: Teemu Selanne
D: Paul Coffey, Nicklas Lidstrom
G: Martin Brodeur

1997
C: Peter Forsberg
LW: Keith Tkachuk
RW: Ziggy Palffy
D: Vladimir Konstantinov, Nicklas Lidstrom
G: Patrick Roy

1998
C: Ron Francis
LW: Rod Brind’Amour
RW: Pavel Bure
D: Scott Stevens, Ray Bourque
G: Ed Belfour

1999
C: Eric Lindros
LW: Pavol Demitra
RW: Theo Fleury
D: Chris Pronger, Larry Murphy
G: Ron Tugnutt

2000
C: Joe Sakic
LW: John LeClair
RW: Owen Nolan
D: Sergei Gonchar, Ray Bourque
G: Martin Brodeur

2001
C: Doug Weight
LW: Markus Naslund
RW: Alexei Kovalev
D: Brian Leetch, Sergei Gonchar
G: Martin Brodeur

2002
C: Ron Francis
LW: Todd Bertuzzi
RW: Glenn Murray
D: Chris Pronger, Teppo Numminen
G: Sean Burke

2003
C: Mike Modano
LW: Brendan Shanahan
RW: Marian Hossa
D: Rob Blake, Sergei Zubov
G: Ed Belfour

2004
C: Joe Thornton
LW: Patrik Elias
RW: Marian Hossa
D: Nicklas Lidstrom, Adrian Aucoin
G: Marty Turco

2006
C: Sidney Crosby
LW: Ilya Kovalchuk
RW: Jonathan Cheechoo
D: Chris Pronger, Wade Redden
G: Henrik Lundqvist

2007
C: Joe Thornton
LW: Daniel Sedin
RW: Marian Hossa
D: Kimmo Timmonen, Dion Phaneuf
G: Dominik Hasek

2008
C: Pavel Datsyuk
LW: Ilya Kovalchuk
RW: Daniel Alfredsson
D: Sergei Gonchar, Andrei Markov
G: J.S. Giguere

2009
C: Sidney Crosby
LW: Ilya Kovalchuk
RW: Martin St. Louis
D: Shea Weber, Andrei Markov
G: Roberto Luongo

2010
C: Steven Stamkos
LW: Patrick Marleau
RW: Marian Gaborik
D: Chris Pronger, Dan Boyle
G: Martin Brodeur


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Results & Analysis

Centres
Bobby Clarke – 3
Gil Perreault – 3
Peter Stastny – 3
Ron Francis - 3
Doug Gilmour – 2
Joe Sakic – 2
Joe Thornton – 2
Marcel Dionne – 2 (*1 spot at centre, 1 spot at RW)
Norm Ullman – 2
Sidney Crosby - 2
Steve Yzerman – 2

It’s not surprising to see Stastny near the top of this list; he was the second-highest scorer of the 1980’s, but he never earned an “official” spot on an all-star team due to tough competition from Gretzky, Trottier, Dionne, etc. The same can be said about Perreault (who only earned two official all-star spots while competing against Clarke, Dionne, Esposito, etc).

I know that this will draw some criticism, but Yzerman’s voting record is a bit disappointing. Some people (not necessarily Detroit fans) say that Yzerman was consistently the NHL’s third best centre, but didn’t earn a lot of awards due to being stuck behind Gretzky and Lemieux. However, during Yzerman’s best years (1987-1997), numerous players (Hawerchuk, Savard, Sakic, Gilmour, Francis, Lindros, Oates, etc.) earned first, second and third-team all-star spots. Even if we exclude Gretzky and Lemieux, Yzerman wasn’t consistently the NHL’s best player, though, of course, he was near the top quite often.

Bobby Clarke (2-2-3), Marcel Dionne (2-2-2), Joe Sakic (3-0-2), Bryan Trottier (2-2-1) and Gil Perreault (0-2-3) all move up to 5+ all-star selections.

LW
Johnny Bucyk - 3
Ilya Kovalchuk - 3
Brendan Shanahan – 2
Dave Andreychuk -2
Frank Mahovlich – 2
Keith Tkachuk – 2
Mats Naslund – 2
Steve Shutt – 2

I was pleased to see Bucyk lead the way among LW’ers. Although Bucyk only earned a spot on two official all-star teams, he was always competing with Hull and Mahovlich, two of the top three LW in league history. He earned a spot on five all-star teams in total, including three third-team selections.

The all-time leaderboard consists of Bobby Hull (10-2-0), Frank Mahovlich (3-6-2), Ted Lindsay (8-1-0), Luc Robitaille (5-3-0) and Michel Goulet (3-2-1).

RW
Marian Hossa - 3
Rod Gilbert – 3
Bill Goldsworthy – 2
Brett Hull -2
Dino Ciccarelli – 2
John McKenzie – 2
Marcel Dionne – 2 (*1 spot at centre, 1 spot at RW)
Pavel Bure - 2
Rick Middleton – 2
Theo Fleury – 2
Tim Kerr – 2

Surprisingly, Marian Hossa was a few votes away from being a three-time all-star (though he was a distant third on two occasions). Brett Hull, Pavel Bure and Rod Gilbert are five-time all-stars if third-team spots are included.

Defense
Serge Savard – 5
Phil Housley - 4
Chris Pronger – 4
Larry Murphy – 3
Nicklas Lidstrom - 3
Scott Stevens - 3
Sergei Gonchar – 3
Al Arbour - 2
Barry Beck – 2
Brad Park – 2
Chris Chelios - 2
Dallas Smith - 2
Doug Wilson - 2
Guy Lapointe – 2
Harry Howell - 2
JC Tremblay – 2
Jim Neilson - 2
Larry Robinson - 2
Mark Howe – 2
Paul Coffey – 2
Ray Bourque - 2
Rod Langway - 2
Sergei Zubov - 2

Phil Housley is one of only three players to have 4+ third-team all-star spots. He only earned one official all-star spot, yet, despite his many limitations, Housley was sufficiently skilled offensively to be a good player for many years.

Pronger gets my vote for the Hall of Fame. He’s an eight-time all-star (1-3-4) with a Hart, a Norris, and three playoffs that are approaching Conn Smythe-calibre.

Lidstrom has a spot on fourteen all-star teams (9-2-3), ahead of Doug Harvey (though I don’t have enough data to determine the third teams for Harvey’s era).

Goalies
Martin Brodeur - 4
Ed Belfour – 3
Andy Moog – 2
Grant Fuhr – 2
Jacques Plante - 2
Johnny Bower – 2
Patrick Roy -2
Tony Esposito - 2

Belfour, almost certainly the fourth-best goalie of his generation, always seemed to be caught behind someone else having a better season. Still, there’s nothing wrong with 6 all-star selections (2-1-3).

Martin Brodeur now has an amazing 11 all-star selections (3-4-4). This ranks him tied for first all-time with Hall (7-4-0) and ahead of Plante (3-4-2).


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An excellent idea with great follow-through.

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Great work . There some really interesting team eventhough they were "just" the 3rd choice. I really like '85,'86,'93 and '98.

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Dallas Smith in 1971 and 1972.

Reggie Lemelin in 1984 and 1985.

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1992
C: Wayne Gretzky
LW: Gary Roberts
RW: Joe Mullen
D: Larry Murphy, Al MacInnis
G: Ed Belfour
Hard to believe Gretz and Al ever were third team.

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1996
C: Mark Messier
LW: Keith Tkachuk
RW: Teemu Selanne
D: Paul Coffey, Nicklas Lidstrom
G: Martin Brodeur
Another eye-popping year.

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1999
C: Eric Lindros
LW: Pavol Demitra
RW: Theo Fleury
D: Chris Pronger, Larry Murphy
G: Ron Tugnutt
what a year! the circus came to town with dramatic rides up and down and around, whee!

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Ron Tugnutt in '99. Just goes to show you how if you are on a team with stifling defense that ANY goalie can put up good numbers. Ask Byron Dafoe in '99. 10 shutouts!

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Interesting Data & analysis. I seem to remember back in the late 50's that "The Hockey News", used to report the all star votes so they may be a source for the missing years. Back in then, they also had their readers vote for their all stars.

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Thanks, everyone. It was fun to put this together.

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Interesting Data & analysis. I seem to remember back in the late 50's that "The Hockey News", used to report the all star votes so they may be a source for the missing years. Back in then, they also had their readers vote for their all stars.
That's a good idea, I looked for old editions but the online archives only go back a few years. In fact, I probably have a larger/older stack of THN in my basement.

I think that some American newspapers (especially the Detroit Free Press) might have some more results but I only have access to Canadian newspapers.

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Dallas Smith in 1971 and 1972.

Hard to believe Gretz and Al ever were third team.
I knew you'd be glad to see Smith on there. Obviously playing with Orr helped, but Smith must have been pretty good on his own to merit two all-star selections.

Tough break for Gretzky. He's 3rd in the league in scoring and is only the 3rd best player at his position.

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Here’s a synthesis of two projects of mine. Here’s the data for the third-team all-stars fro 1931-1944. Note that I can’t guarantee the accuracy of these results because there was apparently some confusion between LW/RW and LD/RD in those days. Additionally, the newspapers of the era weren’t always clear if they’re showing total votes, or first-team votes only.

1931
No data

1932
C: Joe Primeau

1933
C: Reg “Hooley” Smith
LW: Bun Cook
RW: Tie between Ace Bailey and Jimmy Ward (1 vote each). Blady Northcott (1st team LW) also got a vote.
LD: I’ve already wrote about this before, but Hap Day appears to have been cheated out of a spot. He had more votes than Lionel Conacher, so either there was some funny accounting, or my sources are wrong. Anyway, at the very least, let’s give Day credit for a third-team spot.
RD: None; only three right-side defensemen received votes and all made the first or second team.
G: Three-way tie between Tiny Thompson, Lorne Chabot, Roy Worters

1934
C: Reg “Hooley” Smith
LW: Paul Thompson
RW: I don’t have the numbers, but it appears that Larry Aurie and Jimmy Ward received some consideration for the second team
D: Earl Seibert and ???
G: My best guess is Tony Thompson, but the voting was pretty unclear. See the Awards & Voting thread.

1935
No data

1936
C: I don’t have the actual vote totals, but the newspaper said that Marty Barry, Doc Romnes and Frank Boucher were all close.
LW: The write-up said nobody was even close to Schriner and Thompson
RW: Larry Aurie
G: Mike Karakas

1937
C: Syl Apps
LW: Herbie Lewis
RW: I’m pretty sure it’s Jimmy Ward though it might be Johnny Gagnon (depending on how they assign points to first- and second-team votes)
D: Cy Wentworth and Ott Heller
G: Tiny Thompson

1938
C: ??? (but Marty Barry was fourth)
LW: I don’t have the numbers but the write-up implies that either Busher Jackson or Sweeney Schriner were close
RW: None. Only two players received RW votes.
D: Red Horner and ???

1939
No data

1940
C: I don’t have the numbers, but probably Syl Apps based on the write-up
RW: Probably Gordie Drillon
D: Ott Heller and ???

1941
D: Probably Ebbie Goodfellow and Bingo Kaufman (great name)

1942
C: Possibly Don Grosso
LW: Toe Blake
D: Dit Clapper, Johnny Crawford

1943
RW: Joe Benoit. The voting numbers seem a bit weird for this, though (see the Awards & Voting thread)

1944
RW: Bill Moseinko
D: Flash Hollett

The awards voting was a lot messier in the pre-Original Six era. Obviously, a lot of data is missing. Like I mentioned earlier, there was often a lot of confusion between left and right positions (for wingers and defensemen) and the NHL re-designed their vote-counting process a few times, without always disclosing how they were counting first- and second-team votes. I still think that the vote information is meaningful, but we can’t accept it at face value either.

Syl Apps (who already had 5 all-star selections), Tiny Thompson, Jimmy Ward and Hooley Smith all earn two third-team spots.

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D: Probably Ebbie Goodfellow and Bingo Kaufman (great name)
You mean Rudolph 'Bingo' Kampman?

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2008-09 Third Team All-Stars

LW: Ilya Kovalchuk
C: Sidney Crosby
RW: Martin St. Louis
D: Shea Weber, Andrei Markov
G: Roberto Luongo

One player became a thirteen-time all-star yesterday:
- Lidstrom earned nine spots on the first team (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008), one spot on the second team (2009) and three spots on the third team (1996, 1997, 2004).

Five players became four-time all-stars yesterday:
- Chara now has two first (2004, 2009) and two second (2006, 2008) selections.
- Ovechkin is now the first player since Bill Durnan (1944-47) to earn a first-team all-star spot in each of his first four seasons.
- Kovalchuk has been racking up the 3rd team awards. He was a first-team all-star in 2002, and a third-team all-star in 2006, 2008 and 2009.
- Marian Hossa finally has an "official" all-star spot (second team in 2009, after placing on the third team in 2003, 2004 and 2007).
- Iginla has four all-star spots (first in 2002, 2008 2009, second in 2004).

Two players became three-time all-stars yesterday:
- Crosby now has three all-star spots in three healthy seasons (first team in 2007 and third team in 2006 and 2009).
- St. Louis now has a trifecta of all-star spots (first team in 2004, second team in 2007, third team in 2009).
- Luongo has three all-star spots (second team in 2004 and 2007, third team in 2009).

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Luongo also becomes a three time all-star (two seconds and a third).

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2008-09 Third Team All-Stars

LW: Ilya Kovalchuk
C: Sidney Crosby
RW: Martin St. Louis
D: Shea Weber, Andrei Markov
G: Roberto Luongo

One player became a thirteen-time all-star yesterday:
- Lidstrom earned nine spots on the first team (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008), one spot on the second team (2009) and three spots on the third team (1996, 1997, 2004).

Five players became four-time all-stars yesterday:
- Chara now has two first (2004, 2009) and two second (2006, 2008) selections.
- Ovechkin is now the first player since Bill Durnan (1944-47) to earn a first-team all-star spot in each of his first four seasons.
- Kovalchuk has been racking up the 3rd team awards. He was a first-team all-star in 2002, and a third-team all-star in 2006, 2008 and 2009.
- Marian Hossa finally has an "official" all-star spot (second team in 2009, after placing on the third team in 2003, 2004 and 2007).
- Iginla has four all-star spots (first in 2002, 2008 2009, second in 2004).

Two players became three-time all-stars yesterday:
- Crosby now has three all-star spots in three healthy seasons (first team in 2007 and third team in 2006 and 2009).
- St. Louis now has a trifecta of all-star spots (first team in 2004, second team in 2007, third team in 2009).
- Luongo has three all-star spots (second team in 2004 and 2007, third team in 2009).
Is it me? or has right wing taken a turn for the worst lately? LW seems to be far more populated with superstar caliber player, while RW is starting to look like LW in the 80's.

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RW is excessively weak. Kovalchuk was the 4th best winger in the world IMO.

Maybe it's just me, but, should they make it so the all-star teams are just wingers, rather than specific wings, so it more accurately reflects who was the best?

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RW is excessively weak. Kovalchuk was the 4th best winger in the world IMO.

Maybe it's just me, but, should they make it so the all-star teams are just wingers, rather than specific wings, so it more accurately reflects who was the best?
I used to think that back in the 90s when LW was excessively weak compared to RW.

With Centers and Wingers, we'd have Malkin (C), Ovechkin(W), and Parise(W) on the First team and Datsyuk(C), Kovalchuk(W) and Iginla(W) on the Second Team.

Go one step farter and just make it forwards regardless of position? Then we'd have Ovechkin, Malkin, and Datsyuk on the First Team, and Parise, Crosby, and either Iginla or Kovalchuk on the Second Team. Too radical?

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Funny you should mention that, Devil. I was thinking of looking at "what-if" all-star teams based on the six best forwards instead of by position, to see what would change. Guys like Luc Robitaille may drop down to 1 or 2 selections, and guys like Syd Howe and Henri Richard might jump up to 5-7.

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I don't understand how in 07/08 Kovalev got the 2nd Team All Star spot over Alfredsson or even Gaborik.

Kovalev:
35G-84pts +18 in 82gp

Alfredsson:
40G-89pts +15 in 70gp

Gaborik:
42G-83pts +17 in 77gp

How is Kovalev's season any better than any of these guys..Especially Alfredsson!

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An excellent idea with great follow-through.
Agreed. There is lots of comparison between those who come in 1st to 5th in voting for various awards, but the actual 3rd overall at a given position gets glossed over way too often. I have definitely bookmarked this thread. Excellent job T_19/Jekyll.

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Excellent job Hockey Outsider...

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I've always thought that Gilmour should have been on the Second All-Star Team in 1993 despite Lafontaine's season simply due to how valuable he was that season. Perhaps that's just the bias inherent in me growing up a Leafs fan with Dougie as the focal point of those teams. Does anyone else believe he would have been on the Second Team had he won the Hart over Mario (who deservedly won with one of the most eye-opping offensive seasons of all-time) and not finished second?

Fantastic thread concept by the way. The NBA is the only other professional league that ranks three teams.

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I don't understand how in 07/08 Kovalev got the 2nd Team All Star spot over Alfredsson or even Gaborik.

Kovalev:
35G-84pts +18 in 82gp

Alfredsson:
40G-89pts +15 in 70gp

Gaborik:
42G-83pts +17 in 77gp

How is Kovalev's season any better than any of these guys..Especially Alfredsson!
i assumed it was b/c montreal had a very good season, so they rewarded kovalev.

kovalev should not have been 2nd AS.

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Haha, my bad. I've been doing that a lot lately.

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I don't understand how in 07/08 Kovalev got the 2nd Team All Star spot over Alfredsson or even Gaborik.

Kovalev:
35G-84pts +18 in 82gp

Alfredsson:
40G-89pts +15 in 70gp

Gaborik:
42G-83pts +17 in 77gp

How is Kovalev's season any better than any of these guys..Especially Alfredsson!
All Star voters tend to look at how well a player's team did in the standings (example - Hossa over St. Louis or Havlat this year). I think it was simply a product of the fact that the Habs were the best team in the East, and Kovalev was their best player.

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2009-10 Third Team All-Stars

LW: Patrick Marleau
C: Steven Stamkos
RW: Marian Gaborik
D: Chris Pronger, Dan Boyle
G: Martin Brodeur

One voter incorrectly gave Patrick Marleau a second-place vote as a right wing. Had the voter given Marleau that vote on the left wing team, Marleau would have taken the second-team LW spot from Daniel Sedin.

Career Stats

Left wing
- Alexander Ovechkin: 5 first, 0 second, 0 third (5 total)
- Daniel Sedin: 0 first, 1 second, 1 third (2 total)
- Patrick Marleau: 0 first, 0 second, 1 third (1 total)

Center
- Henrik Sedin: 1 first, 0 second, 0 third (1 total)
- Sidney Crosby: 1 first, 1 second, 2 third (4 total)
- Steven Stamkos: 0 first, 0 second, 1 third (1 total)

Right wing
- Patrick Kane: 1 first, 0 second, 0 third (1 total)
- Martin St. Louis: 1 first, 2 second, 1 third (4 total)
- Marian Gaborik: 0 first, 0 second, 1 third (1 total)

Defense
- Duncan Keith: 1 first, 0 second, 0 third (1 total)
- Mike Green: 2 first, 0 second, 0 third (2 total)
- Drew Doughty: 0 first, 1 second, 0 third (1 total)
- Nicklas Lidstrom: 9 first, 2 second, 3 third (14 total)
- Chris Pronger: 1 first, 3 second, 4 third (8 total)
- Dan Boyle: 0 first, 2 second, 1 third (3 total)

Goaltender
- Ryan Miller: 1 first, 0 second, 0 third (1 total)
- Ilya Bryzgalov, 0 first, 1 second, 0 third (1 total)
- Martin Brodeur: 3 first, 4 second, 4 third (11 total)

Commentary
- Ovechkin has earned a spot on the first all-star team for each of the first five years of his career. As far as I can tell, he is the only player in NHL history to do so.
- St. Louis continues to inch towards Hall of Fame territory. He now has four all-star selections in six years.
- Surprised to see Boyle with three all-star selections.

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- Ovechkin has earned a spot on the first all-star team for each of the first five years of his career. As far as I can tell, he is the only player in NHL history to do so.
A pretty astonishing stat. Especially since earning a LW spot is nowhere near as easy as it used to be.

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