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06-21-2009, 10:52 AM
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Intermediate vs Senior Sticks

I've been trying to find a thread on this but I just cant seem to find any useful information. I am 5'7 160 pound adult, with a very strong upper body and am having problems finding a stick. The senior sticks I cut down about 4-5 inches to come to my chin on skates which is completley killing the flex. Most intermediate sticks come perfectly to my chin but the flex is so low (65ish) that I'm scared with my upper body strength i'll break it. What are my options here?! Thanks in advance.

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A 75 flex senior is probably your best bet.

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I've been trying to find a thread on this but I just cant seem to find any useful information. I am 5'7 160 pound adult, with a very strong upper body and am having problems finding a stick. The senior sticks I cut down about 4-5 inches to come to my chin on skates which is completley killing the flex. Most intermediate sticks come perfectly to my chin but the flex is so low (65ish) that I'm scared with my upper body strength i'll break it. What are my options here?! Thanks in advance.
Your stick flex should be half of your body weight or as close you can get to it.

A 75 flex would indeed be perfect.

be aware (you probably know this already though) that cutting length off of a stick raises the flex number. My sticks say for every 2 inches it adds 10 (approximately) to the flex number. I just bought a 100 Flex Harrow shaft and cut a little over one inch off of it making it according to the line on it a 105 Flex. That same inch on my Bauer shafts say it would now be a 110 flex. So it isn't an exact science and does differ among different companies and materials used for sticks.

If you buy a 65 flex and cut 4 inches off of it you have an 85 flex (approximately)instead of the 65 you bought.


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Your stick flex should be half of your body weight or as close you can get to it.

A 75 flex would indeed be perfect.

be aware (you probably know this already though) that cutting length off of a stick raises the flex number. My sticks say for every 2 inches it adds 10 (approximately) to the flex number. I just bought a 100 Flex Harrow shaft and cut a little over one inch off of it making it according to the line on it a 105 Flex. That same inch on my Bauer shafts say it would now be a 110 flex. So it isn't an exact science and does differ among different companies and materials used for sticks.

If you buy a 65 flex and cut 4 inches off of it you have an 85 flex (approximately)instead of the 65 you bought.
The problem is when I get a 75 flex senior stick I cut 4-5 inches off. So it makes it way too stiff. But the intermediate 65 flex is too soft I think.

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The problem is when I get a 75 flex senior stick I cut 4-5 inches off. So it makes it way too stiff. But the intermediate 65 flex is too soft I think.
I know not much about intermediate sticks, are they shorter than senior sticks or something?

I can sympathize in a reverse manner, I'm 6ft 4in and 235lbs and can hardly ever find equipment that fits properly or a stick long enough with a high flex number. Try finding 16"+ shinguards in a store for example.

Keep looking I guess, there must be something out there for you to use that is little or no hassle.

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I'm in the same boat as you. I'm a smaller player 5'7, and average strength I guess. I chose the 67 flex intermediate stick, and cut it a few inches. Perfect

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Usually this is how I recommend sticks:

110 flex - 6'4 or taller
100 flex 6'1-6'3
85 flex 5'10-6'
75 flex 5'8-5'9
65 flex 5'7 and under

Rough guideline, but the longer your stick, the more whippy it is, and vice versa. Take two guys that are 200 pounds, one is 5'6" and one is 6'5". If they both use the half the body weight formula, the 6'5" guy needs to add a wood end plug and it will probably feel like it's about 75-80 flex. The 5'6" guy will need to cut about 6" off the stick and it will feel like it's about 125-130 flex!

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Usually this is how I recommend sticks:

110 flex - 6'4 or taller
100 flex 6'1-6'3
85 flex 5'10-6'
75 flex 5'8-5'9
65 flex 5'7 and under

Rough guideline, but the longer your stick, the more whippy it is, and vice versa. Take two guys that are 200 pounds, one is 5'6" and one is 6'5". If they both use the half the body weight formula, the 6'5" guy needs to add a wood end plug and it will probably feel like it's about 75-80 flex. The 5'6" guy will need to cut about 6" off the stick and it will feel like it's about 125-130 flex!
If a 5' 6" guy weighs 200lbs he doesn't need a strick, he needs a diet and shouldn't complain about not being able to find the proper flex to begin with lmao.

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If a 5' 6" guy weighs 200lbs he doesn't need a strick, he needs a diet and shouldn't complain about not being able to find the proper flex to begin with lmao.
Very mature of you.

If your strength isn't up to par then the half body weight hooha wont work. It's just something you have to experiment with till you find what you like. I'd suggest finding an Int stick that's not too much money so you can see if its too whippy for you.

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Very mature of you.

If your strength isn't up to par then the half body weight hooha wont work. It's just something you have to experiment with till you find what you like. I'd suggest finding an Int stick that's not too much money so you can see if its too whippy for you.
Have you ever seen someone 5ft 6in that weighed 200lbs and played hockey?

The half your body weight rule is a general guide, of course there are exceptions. I told the dude to start from there and then figure it out because generally half the body weight is what people use because that is just the way it is.

Obviously some people out there are going to be physically similar to the aliens in Close Encounters but realistically that would be rare.

... not to mention I was replying to the original poster who stated "I am 5'7 160 pound adult, with a very strong upper body and am having problems finding a stick. "


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Have you ever seen someone 5ft 6in that weighed 200lbs and played hockey?
Yes, and he's ****en lazy. He's short, fat, and lazy.

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I'm going to try the intermediate, ill most likely break it in half but oh well. I don't take many slap shots anyway, snap shot here and there, as I'm more of a dangler type.

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Yes, and he's ****en lazy. He's short, fat, and lazy.
Hmmm, Wellwood?

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I'm going to try the intermediate, ill most likely break it in half but oh well. I don't take many slap shots anyway, snap shot here and there, as I'm more of a dangler type.
If you don't take too many slapshots my thinking is you shouldnt find much problem. Unless you're one of the guys who completely tries to bend their stick in half on every shot...

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I just thought I would bump this thread for others that were thinking about making the switch from Senior to Intermediate due to height, weight, whatever. I purchased a Warrior Johnson Intermediate 70 Flex Draper curve yesterday before my game and all I can really say is WOW. Going from a 100 flex cut down 6 inches to this is like playing a whole different sport.

The stick is so whippy and I feel like its going to break even recieving a pass, not to mention trying to make easy passing plays taht I have been making for years. This could be something I just have to get used to.

The biggest strengths are in my wrist and snap shot. My wrister honestly improved by probably 25% with this new stick in accuracy and speed. The snap shot and slap shot might take awhile to get used to because I'm honestly scared im going to break my new stick.

Just some thoughts, goood luck.

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Have you ever seen someone 5ft 6in that weighed 200lbs and played hockey?
No but I have seen somebody who is 5ft 5.5 inches and weigh over 200lbs play hockey. It was me in High School . I would say I had average speed and a decent shot, but one things for sure I worked my ass off every practice and game. I just never really ate the right things. Now I play at 180 so a lot has changed in the past 2-3 years for me, but people who are over weight can play hockey effectively.

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TPS makes a 75 flex senior shaft, And i don't think its very big either. I think its one of their response shafts. my buddy has one and hes prob 5'8

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No bro go with 85 flex and cut it a few inches. 75 is way too wippy. Im 5'8 155 and last year when i was 5'6 150 intermediate was way to wippy for me

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As I've said in other threads, pick up an intermediate Nike Bauer Vapor XVI and experiment with that. You can find it on sale for under $40, so it's no major loss if you don't like it or if you break it.

Personally I'm 5'6 130, and I LOVE my intermediate One95.

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I notice between my intermediate One90 2-piece and Dolomite 75 flex 2-piece that I get more power out of the Dolo. I think this is because the One90 is so whippy that it torques to the side. There's also a think crack down the side near the hosel, but I think that's just paint, because it would have exploded by now.

Even though the 75 flex feels too stiff, the shots are still quite a bit harder. I think if I were able to find a 65-70 flex Dolomite shaft, that might help, but every time I use a shaft that's intermediate flex or so, I lose power and accuracy.

I can't shoot at all with an 85 flex or higher stick. Just lose all accuracy and power.

I'm 5'8" and 180 right now, above average strength, using a stick cut down below my chin on skates.

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I notice between my intermediate One90 2-piece and Dolomite 75 flex 2-piece that I get more power out of the Dolo. I think this is because the One90 is so whippy that it torques to the side. There's also a think crack down the side near the hosel, but I think that's just paint, because it would have exploded by now.

Even though the 75 flex feels too stiff, the shots are still quite a bit harder. I think if I were able to find a 65-70 flex Dolomite shaft, that might help, but every time I use a shaft that's intermediate flex or so, I lose power and accuracy.

I can't shoot at all with an 85 flex or higher stick. Just lose all accuracy and power.

I'm 5'8" and 180 right now, above average strength, using a stick cut down below my chin on skates.
you ever thought about using the 70 flex int. warriors? was looking at the int. dolo's and macdaddy's the other day and noticed they come up to between my nose and eye-level on me uncut in street shoes, so i'd need to cut another inch or so off(i'm 5'8"). on top of the fact dolo's seem a touch stiff to flex to me.

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Yeah, and I do want to get a 70 flex shaft to try out, but from what I've heard, they're actually stiffer than the 75 flex senior sticks. Also, the Dolos are a slimmer shaft, and the intermediates feel too small around, even for my smaller hands.

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wow, didn't realize the int's actually feel stiffer than the sr. 75. picked up a 75 flex "intermediate" U+ recently, mainly because it comes about 3" shorter than the sr.'s of the line so i only had to cut about 2". the only thing that seems to be intermediate about it is the stock length. still a sr. stick in terms of girth though, and to be quite honest, it doesn't really feel any less stiff than my 75 flex dolo shaft cut down about 4-5".

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Usually this is how I recommend sticks:

110 flex - 6'4 or taller
100 flex 6'1-6'3
85 flex 5'10-6'
75 flex 5'8-5'9
65 flex 5'7 and under

Rough guideline, but the longer your stick, the more whippy it is, and vice versa. Take two guys that are 200 pounds, one is 5'6" and one is 6'5". If they both use the half the body weight formula, the 6'5" guy needs to add a wood end plug and it will probably feel like it's about 75-80 flex. The 5'6" guy will need to cut about 6" off the stick and it will feel like it's about 125-130 flex!
When I played in high school, I was 5'6 or 5'7 and about 165 lbs (almost all muscle, I had to bulk up when I was in 8th grade because I was significantly shorter) and used a 100 flex that was cut a few inches... I can't stand the feel of 85 or lower, for whatever reason.

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