HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Edm-buf

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-21-2009, 12:27 PM
  #1
Roof Daddy
Registered User
 
Roof Daddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 8,731
vCash: 500
Edm-buf

Seems Sabres fans really want to get rid of Hecht's contract, so I was wondering if this deal seems worth it to them

To BUF: Nilsson (1.8 hit for 2 more years), 40th overall

To EDM: Hecht (3.525 hit for next 3 yrs), 13th overall

Nilsson is high on skill, low on (heart? focus? maybe you guys can figure it out) but is very flashy with the puck when on his game. Hecht has a very complete game, but even if he reaches expectations (45-50 pts) that contract is not very good. To me that's worth moving 27 spots in the draft. Thoughts from Buffalo?

Roof Daddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 12:34 PM
  #2
HarriSateri
 
HarriSateri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 951
vCash: 500
Nope, not even close.

HarriSateri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 12:36 PM
  #3
MonacoBlue
 
MonacoBlue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,997
vCash: 500
A swing and a miss...no way Buffalo does that

MonacoBlue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 12:41 PM
  #4
BackGroundMusic
rebuildingeverywhere
 
BackGroundMusic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Country: Germany
Posts: 24,747
vCash: 500
Ugh, no.

BackGroundMusic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 12:47 PM
  #5
jumptheshark
the burn out
 
jumptheshark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: hf retirement home
Country: United Nations
Posts: 55,703
vCash: 50
Oilers already had Hecht and he did not fit in then and does not fit now

jumptheshark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 12:48 PM
  #6
Seachd
Registered User
 
Seachd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: The Fail
Posts: 13,743
vCash: 50
It would be nice for Edmonton to get that pick, but not with that ugly contract coming back.

Seachd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 02:37 PM
  #7
xeric716x
Born To Expire
 
xeric716x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: New Jack City
Country: Antarctica
Posts: 10,921
vCash: 500
Buffalo isnt moving the 13th pick for that

xeric716x is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 02:45 PM
  #8
Bryanbryoil
Moderator
 
Bryanbryoil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 52,158
vCash: 500
If we want their pick we need to get them some defensive help. Something like their 13th, their 2nd rounder, and a prospect for Grebeshkov or Gilbert. Or they could take Staios' contract for a half eaten ham sandwich.

Bryanbryoil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 02:47 PM
  #9
hfboardsuser
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,281
vCash: 500
Visnovsky for 13th and Gaustad?

hfboardsuser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 02:49 PM
  #10
BackGroundMusic
rebuildingeverywhere
 
BackGroundMusic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Country: Germany
Posts: 24,747
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryanbryoil View Post
If we want their pick we need to get them some defensive help. Something like their 13th, their 2nd rounder, and a prospect for Grebeshkov or Gilbert. Or they could take Staios' contract for a half eaten ham sandwich.
Tanguay went for a late 1st round pick last year. You think that Grebs or Gilbert can get all that?

BackGroundMusic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 02:51 PM
  #11
Bryanbryoil
Moderator
 
Bryanbryoil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 52,158
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BikeGiftingMan View Post
Tanguay went for a late 1st round pick last year. You think that Grebs or Gilbert can get all that?
Yes, they are young puck moving d-men that are entering their primes. Buffalo is BADLY in need of this type of a player and they wouldn't have to take away from their forward core to get this deal done. If we had to sweeten the pot a little, that's fine.

Bryanbryoil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 02:52 PM
  #12
Darth Milbury
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Darth Milbury's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Searching for Kvasha
Country: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Posts: 39,320
vCash: 500
I doubt Buffalo moves their pick - not Reiger's style.

I also don't think Buffalo is going to have that much problem moving Hecht's contract. He may be overpaid, but there is no doubt that he can be a useful player.

__________________
Man, do I ever miss Oleg Kvasha. If Oleg was here, everything would be OK.
Darth Milbury is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 02:54 PM
  #13
BackGroundMusic
rebuildingeverywhere
 
BackGroundMusic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Country: Germany
Posts: 24,747
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryanbryoil View Post
Yes, they are young puck moving d-men that are entering their primes. Buffalo is BADLY in need of this type of a player and they wouldn't have to take away from their forward core to get this deal done. If we had to sweeten the pot a little, that's fine.
I'd rather Buffalo moves Stafford for Gilbert. Buffalo probably WANTS to take away from their forward corps because they're overloaded.

BackGroundMusic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 02:54 PM
  #14
Bryanbryoil
Moderator
 
Bryanbryoil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 52,158
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Milbury View Post
I doubt Buffalo moves their pick - not Reiger's style.

I also don't think Buffalo is going to have that much problem moving Hecht's contract. He may be overpaid, but there is no doubt that he can be a useful player.
Maybe not, but their defense has been their major downfall for some time. He needs to address it this season if he expects to get into the post season.

Bryanbryoil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 02:58 PM
  #15
BackGroundMusic
rebuildingeverywhere
 
BackGroundMusic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Country: Germany
Posts: 24,747
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryanbryoil View Post
Maybe not, but their defense has been their major downfall for some time. He needs to address it this season if he expects to get into the post season.
One of the Sabres downfalls, yes, but the problem is that soft, pseudo-offensive defensemen are all the Sabres have. They have no legitimate bone-breakers, nobody with any meanness at all, except for Weber [AHL].

If the Sabres are trading the 13th, a 2nd [which they don't have this year], and a prospect for a defenseman, I want to see an honest-to-goodness bruiser, not more of the same.

BackGroundMusic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 03:04 PM
  #16
NFITO
hockeyinsanity*****
 
NFITO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,872
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryanbryoil View Post
If we want their pick we need to get them some defensive help. Something like their 13th, their 2nd rounder, and a prospect for Grebeshkov or Gilbert. Or they could take Staios' contract for a half eaten ham sandwich.
I think you seriously overrate both Grebeshkov and Gilbert.

I don't think they get the 13th overall pick in the draft alone, let alone a 2nd and a prospect added! That's more than we've seen given up last year for Tanguay and Cammerelli and offensive forwards generally have more trade value than dmen do.

If either dman is worth a 1st rounder, it will be a late one... not a top 15 pick in a very solid draft (and then some!)

NFITO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 03:11 PM
  #17
Darth Milbury
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Darth Milbury's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Searching for Kvasha
Country: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Posts: 39,320
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryanbryoil View Post
Maybe not, but their defense has been their major downfall for some time. He needs to address it this season if he expects to get into the post season.

EDM actually had one of the worst defenses in the NHL last year - partially because your four best guys are all very similar - offense oriented dmen who (other than Vish) are not studs in their own end. The only guy you have who can hit is Souray, and he is a good bet to spent more time on the IR. Also, you can't hit what you can't catch, so Souray is going to be pretty useless in open ice.

Buffalo finished mid-pack in defense, and probalby could get into the top third with a UFA signing or two. EDM has a much longer way to go, IMO. You need at least two vet bangers, and some gritty defensively oriented forwards to get that GAG down.

In any case, I agree with Nuckfan Grebs and Gilbert are not worth the 13th straight up - let alone the package you asked for.

Darth Milbury is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 03:33 PM
  #18
struckbyaparkedcar
Zemgus Da Gawd
 
struckbyaparkedcar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Upstate NY
Country: Cote DIvoire
Posts: 10,828
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryanbryoil View Post
Yes, they are young puck moving d-men that are entering their primes. Buffalo is BADLY in need of this type of a player and they wouldn't have to take away from their forward core to get this deal done. If we had to sweeten the pot a little, that's fine.
Sabres don't need puck moving defensemen, they need a physical puck rushing defensman who can deliver punishing hits, consistently win matchups against top forwards and clear the zone consistently.

struckbyaparkedcar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 04:14 PM
  #19
Homesick
Registered User
 
Homesick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,792
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by BikeGiftingMan View Post
Tanguay went for a late 1st round pick last year. You think that Grebs or Gilbert can get all that?
The extremely one dimensional soft Tanguay put up 18 goals and 40 assists and still got a 1st rounder with only 1 season left under contract(for 5.25 million). So laugh all you want but Gilbert or Grebeshkov could fetch more than a mid first when it's widely believed that after 7th the talent level takes a huge drop.

Homesick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 04:15 PM
  #20
HockeyThoughts
Delivering The Truth
 
HockeyThoughts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,812
vCash: 1550
Oilers do it, doubt Sabres do.

HockeyThoughts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 04:17 PM
  #21
HarriSateri
 
HarriSateri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 951
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by struckbyaparkedcar View Post
Sabres don't need puck moving defensemen, they need a physical puck rushing defensman who can deliver punishing hits, consistently win matchups against top forwards and clear the zone consistently.
Sounds like Jared Cowen or Simon Despres.

HarriSateri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 04:20 PM
  #22
Armond White
Go Sabres!
 
Armond White's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Oakland Zoo
Country: United States
Posts: 10,297
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Bugg View Post
Visnovsky for 13th and Gaustad?
The Sabres really cure their payroll issues by adding a $7 million defenseman.

Armond White is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 04:28 PM
  #23
Homesick
Registered User
 
Homesick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,792
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheektovanek View Post
The Sabres really cure their payroll issues by adding a $7 million defenseman.
His cap hit is 5.6 million. Salary goes 7,6,5,3.

Homesick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 04:30 PM
  #24
NFITO
hockeyinsanity*****
 
NFITO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,872
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Homesick View Post
The extremely one dimensional soft Tanguay put up 18 goals and 40 assists and still got a 1st rounder with only 1 season left under contract(for 5.25 million). So laugh all you want but Gilbert or Grebeshkov could fetch more than a mid first when it's widely believed that after 7th the talent level takes a huge drop.
So which team that's drafting in the top half of the draft - or even top 20 picks in the draft, do you think has the need enough to give up their 1st round pick for one of Gilbert or Grebeshkov?

I think you can pretty much eliminate every team drafting from till 20 that would have the need to add a 2nd pairing dman making $3mill+ at the cost of a 1st rounder.

For him to be worth a mid-1st, there has to be some team there that would pay that for him... and I can't see any team giving up a top 20 pick for either of these dmen this year.

NFITO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-21-2009, 04:32 PM
  #25
MonacoBlue
 
MonacoBlue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,997
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Homesick View Post
The extremely one dimensional soft Tanguay put up 18 goals and 40 assists and still got a 1st rounder with only 1 season left under contract(for 5.25 million). So laugh all you want but Gilbert or Grebeshkov could fetch more than a mid first when it's widely believed that after 7th the talent level takes a huge drop.
Extremely one dimensional Tanguay? Are you ****ing kidding me? Tanguay is a wonderful two-way player who makes decisions with the puck and is a terrific ES player. Now plus-minus isn't always a useful stat, but consider that Tanguay has NEVER had a minus season. Lest you talk about how he only plays for good teams, consider how poor defensively the Habs played this year. Tanguay was still +13, one of the best on the team. Tanguay is far from one-dimensional. He always backchecks and isn't as prone to giveaways as many creative players.

EDIT: Tanguay led the team in plus-minus

MonacoBlue is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:50 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.