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06-19-2009, 03:38 PM
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I stopped reading after that. because you obviously can read very well. Tavares out played Stamkos his first 2 years on the OHL while being a year youger than Stamkos. I'll guarantee that Tavares has a better rookie year barring injury too.

now watch all the excuses come out on behalf of stamkos. if he was injured thats one thing but he wasnt was he? Mark (im a defenseman on the Punchless Islanders) Streit outscored him

stop making ridiculous statements Stamkos has skills but so does Tavares. Tavares has out played Stamkos everywhere they've ever played at while younger to boot. Im quite sure given opportunity he'll do it again

What a ridiculous statement to make with no evidence whatsoever to support it
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=217783

lol u sad bro?

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You do note most scouts said they'd still take stamkos over tavares first overall?
no they dont McKenzie asked that this year and was told Stamkos could go as low as 4 that some like him best but thathe could go as low as number 4

as Gare Joyce said...
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Scouts are probably evenly split on the Stamkos vs. Tavares question, but that probably says more about their tastes in players than the quality of the teenagers' talents -- comparing the two is like comparing Mike Bossy and Steve Yzerman.

One's great with the puck, one's great without it."

my point is Tavares outplayed Stamkos everywhere they've played
and every time Tavares was younger Scouts like the more well rouded player in general but we saw this year that being well rounded didnt help Stamkos

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06-19-2009, 03:46 PM
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lol u sad bro?

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old News Mcphllp that was way back in 2007 Earlier this year Mckenzie was asked that again this time he said Stamkos could go anywhere between 1 and 4. no doubt influenced by Stamkos subpar NHL season

remember too there is the hype machine. Last year was Stamkos turn so people were gonna lift him up in the Media this year its Tavares turn.

Thats why I look at what they actually did

200507 Oshawa Generals OHL 132 117 94 211

2006-08 Sarnia Sting OHL 124 100 97 197

that compares their first two years when Stamkos was a year older
Tavares worked on rounding out his game afterwards and people found fault with him for that


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What if we moved 10,000 hockey fans to Tampa? Is the 2nd worth keeping your franchise in Tampa? If you don't make this deal, Tampa comes to Hamilton in 10 years.

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06-19-2009, 04:37 PM
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You do note most scouts said they'd still take stamkos over tavares first overall?
Yeah in a year when they were not being drafted together so it meant nothing just like a few years back when Tavares would have been taken first over Kane ect.
Just TSN yapping about something.

This trade is just stupid. Leafs give up the farm for Tavares....no thanks it's a joke of a proposal.
Thankfully the draft is next week and this garbage ends

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06-19-2009, 04:39 PM
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Assuming the Islanders draft Hedman, I'd put this deal in place for the Leafs to pick up the 2nd pick from Tampa.

To Toronto:
2nd Overall Pick [F - John Tavares]
F - Ryan Malone

To Tampa Bay:
7th Overall Pick
1st Round Pick '10 [Top-5 Protected]
D - Tomas Kaberle
D - Anton Stralman
F - Matt Stajan/Lee Stempniak
F - Jiri Tlusty/Nikolai Kulemin
Rights to G - Justin Pogge


Yes? No? Why.
Way to much for Toronto to give up.

Burke would die frowning after this proposal.

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06-19-2009, 04:59 PM
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What if we moved 10,000 hockey fans to Tampa? Is the 2nd worth keeping your franchise in Tampa? If you don't make this deal, Tampa comes to Hamilton in 10 years.
Excluding this year when the team was awful, they were 8th in 2008, 3rd in 2007 and 2nd in 2006 for attendance. Get a clue.

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06-19-2009, 06:33 PM
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no they dont McKenzie asked that this year and was told Stamkos could go as low as 4 that some like him best but thathe could go as low as number 4

as Gare Joyce said...
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Scouts are probably evenly split on the Stamkos vs. Tavares question, but that probably says more about their tastes in players than the quality of the teenagers' talents -- comparing the two is like comparing Mike Bossy and Steve Yzerman.

One's great with the puck, one's great without it."

my point is Tavares outplayed Stamkos everywhere they've played
and every time Tavares was younger Scouts like the more well rouded player in general but we saw this year that being well rounded didnt help Stamkos
Okay man we get that you like Tavares more than Stamkos, let it go.

They're both going to be exceptional players for years.

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06-22-2009, 12:00 PM
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Looking back, I love how everyone says this isn't enough. FFS, I wouldn't trade this for anyone short of the big 3.

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06-22-2009, 02:16 PM
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To TOR:
Lecavalier
1st 2009

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To TBAY:
7th 2009






DO IT YOU WON'T....Just like the Leafs piss all over the OPs proposal..

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06-22-2009, 03:01 PM
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Assuming the Islanders draft Hedman, I'd put this deal in place for the Leafs to pick up the 2nd pick from Tampa.

To Toronto:
2nd Overall Pick [F - John Tavares]
F - Ryan Malone

To Tampa Bay:
7th Overall Pick
1st Round Pick '10 [Top-5 Protected]
D - Tomas Kaberle
D - Anton Stralman
F - Matt Stajan/Lee Stempniak
F - Jiri Tlusty/Nikolai Kulemin
Rights to G - Justin Pogge


Yes? No? Why.
So we trade two first rounders, a top pair defenceman, two good prospects and a roster player for a top 2 first rounder and a salary dump.


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06-22-2009, 05:27 PM
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So we trade two first rounders, a top pair defenceman, two good prospects and a roster player for a top 2 first rounder and a salary dump.

I like how Ryan Malone would be a top 3 "salary dump" for you guys.

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Yeah.

FACK no. Not in a million years would i give all that for the 2nd overall. Wouldn't even do it for 1st.

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I like how Ryan Malone would be a top 3 "salary dump" for you guys.
And why would we need a top 3 salary dump when we can spend to the cap on worthwhile players and clog the rest with youth?

Think before you type. Especially since the proposal without Malone wouldn't sway any remotely intelligent person's perspective on the trade.

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06-22-2009, 09:29 PM
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And why would we need a top 3 salary dump when we can spend to the cap on worthwhile players and clog the rest with youth?

Think before you type. Especially since the proposal without Malone wouldn't sway any remotely intelligent person's perspective on the trade.

Take a healthy dose of your own prescribed medicine chief. Malone scored more goals last season in only 70 games than ANYONE on the Leafs in however many games they played. His contract isn't that ridiculous, and when looking at previous seasons production from Malone, he met (if not exceeded, minorly) the expectations of what he was signed to bring. Malone is not a 'salary dump', he is an able top-6 NHL talent paid marginally higher than market value as an enticement to play where he is, Tampa.

Yes the proposed trade idea is horrible from a Leafs perspective. Yes, its being proposed by another disillusioned Leafs fan chasing after something they're just not going to get. No, Tampa won't entertain trading the 2nd to Toronto for anything short of Schenn+7th. No, Burke will never agree to such a deal as that.

Best of luck in your offseason finding 'worthwile players' to spend to the cap on and 'clog'ging the rest with youth. Hope it works out for you.

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06-22-2009, 10:16 PM
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I think a third team in the equation is needed for the Leafs to get Tampa's pick. Maybe Montreal is a fit with the outcome looking like this....

TOR gets Tampa's 1st pick and MTL's Ben Maxwell
MTL gets Lacavalier from TB and Kubina from TOR
TB gets TOR's 7th overall and Kaberle and from MTL Subban and Higgins

Probably close to almost impossible to get done, but IMO it's a win-win-win.

Have at 'er.... thoughts?
Lol, let's break this down:

Montreal gives: Ben maxwell, PK Subban, Higgins
Montreal gets: Lecavalier, Kubina

Leafs Give: Kaberle, Kubina, 7th overall
Leafs Get: 2nd overall, Ben maxwell

tampa gives: Vincent Lecavalier, 2nd overall
tampa gets: 7th overall, kaberle, subban, higgins





Montreal *****. FAIL.

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And why would we need a top 3 salary dump when we can spend to the cap on worthwhile players and clog the rest with youth?

Think before you type. Especially since the proposal without Malone wouldn't sway any remotely intelligent person's perspective on the trade.
Alright man. You're totally right, Malone is a waste.

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Assuming the Islanders draft Hedman, I'd put this deal in place for the Leafs to pick up the 2nd pick from Tampa.

To Toronto:
2nd Overall Pick [F - John Tavares]
F - Ryan Malone

To Tampa Bay:
7th Overall Pick
1st Round Pick '10 [Top-5 Protected]
D - Tomas Kaberle
D - Anton Stralman
F - Matt Stajan/Lee Stempniak
F - Jiri Tlusty/Nikolai Kulemin
Rights to G - Justin Pogge


Yes? No? Why.
Why not just sell Burke's soul to the devil while you're at it?

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06-23-2009, 06:47 AM
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Take a healthy dose of your own prescribed medicine chief. Malone scored more goals last season in only 70 games than ANYONE on the Leafs in however many games they played. His contract isn't that ridiculous, and when looking at previous seasons production from Malone, he met (if not exceeded, minorly) the expectations of what he was signed to bring. Malone is not a 'salary dump', he is an able top-6 NHL talent paid marginally higher than market value as an enticement to play where he is, Tampa.

Yes the proposed trade idea is horrible from a Leafs perspective. Yes, its being proposed by another disillusioned Leafs fan chasing after something they're just not going to get. No, Tampa won't entertain trading the 2nd to Toronto for anything short of Schenn+7th. No, Burke will never agree to such a deal as that.

Best of luck in your offseason finding 'worthwile players' to spend to the cap on and 'clog'ging the rest with youth. Hope it works out for you.
Contracts consist of amount and length. Get a clue. He would have been 6th on our team in scoring between Antropov and Hagman (both played less games to boot), and his ugly contract extends to 2013/2014. If you don't think its a terrible contract, than good for you. Hopefully you can figure out why Tampa management isn't the brightest.

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Contracts consist of amount and length. Get a clue. He would have been 6th on our team in scoring between Antropov and Hagman (both played less games to boot), and his ugly contract extends to 2013/2014. If you don't think its a terrible contract, than good for you. Hopefully you can figure out why Tampa management isn't the brightest.
Could be worse, we could have signed Raycroft.

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