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06-23-2009, 02:47 PM
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touche..

Tell me how Knubles "leadership" helps our team. Seriously, I would like to know. Is he somekind of a great leader? Playoff performer, clutch scorer? Big time physical presence and his heavy hit can change the out come of the game?

Fine, he is good around the net. Can not take it away from him, do not much want to. What else he does?

Explain to me, how and when he was a leader, did any of the young players ever said that Mike Knuble is an IMPORTANT part of this hockey club? When we were on 9 game losing did Mike help?

Do you think we Giroux, Lupul or Briere won't be able to pick up that scoring?

I want ****ing JayB on Flyers team, not Mike knuble like players. I would dismiss more then half of our current roster to get Jay. Simple as that. Argue or do not argue, Jay is top 4 d-men in the East behind Chara and very few others.
In my opinion, I'm starting to think I'd even trade Carter to attain Jay-Bo.

I mean, I would MUCH rather send Briere, but I think Jay-Bo just makes that big a difference on this squad. Your talking a guy on the back end who plays a spectacular game 24 mins a night. If it comes down to stud forward or stud d-man.

God I wish we could trade Danny. UGH!

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That was directed to all the geniuses that said he slowed down the line, couldn't pass, was a defensive liability, did not play physical, did not play well on the boards, couldn't shoot straight over a few feet, was a one dimensional player, yada, yada, yada.

I final had enough and was sarcastic... I am annoyed that so much criticism is flat out wrong and the opposite of what is facts -- not that facts are being accepted in this thread -- I wasn't directing that at you, or necessarily what you personally wrote... I just got fed up.

I would battle for any player who had false facts and other garbage written about him... I did so for Hatcher -- who is now loved by almost all -- and others who got a bad rap for their play... Today it was Knuble... Tomorrow if anyone says that Briere cannot be crafty and play O, I will be back.



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Briere can be crafty and play O well. I still want to ship his ass out for Jay-Bo.

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how about we name you GM and you can give Knuble that blank contract for him to fill in the numbers you think he deserves.
I never said at any cost... have you read what I wrote?... I said that Homer is trying to sign him for a reason, and that he brings a lot to the table that is above the obvious... and that veteran leadership needs to be addressed, not let go.

If he can't be fit in, he has to go... certainly... But there are ways of retaining what is needed, is there not?.

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Briere can be crafty and play O well. I still want to ship his ass out for Jay-Bo.
If possible, so would I.

Jeez, man... you must really LOVE Jay-Bo.

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I never said at any cost... have you read what I wrote?... I said that Homer is trying to sign him for a reason, and that he brings a lot to the table that is above the obvious... and that veteran leadership needs to be addressed, not let go.

If he can't be fit in, he has to go... certainly... But there are ways of retaining what is needed, is there not?.
I'm not convinced in veteran leadership as a strong case. Timonen, Briere, Richards, Gagne are not rookies. Neither is Lupul or Hartnell. We have a solid group of guys. We need that passion for winning the cup. We need that FIRE.

Like I said, trade for Guerin/Knuble/similar guy halfway thru the season for a playoff run. We dont need the leadership to start the season, and injuries will happen.

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touche..

Tell me how Knubles "leadership" helps our team. Seriously, I would like to know. Is he somekind of a great leader? Playoff performer, clutch scorer? Big time physical presence and his heavy hit can change the out come of the game?

Fine, he is good around the net. Can not take it away from him, do not much want to. What else he does?

Explain to me, how and when he was a leader, did any of the young players ever said that Mike Knuble is an IMPORTANT part of this hockey club? When we were on 9 game losing did Mike help?

Do you think we Giroux, Lupul or Briere won't be able to pick up that scoring?

I want ****ing JayB on Flyers team, not Mike knuble like players. I would dismiss more then half of our current roster to get Jay. Simple as that. Argue or do not argue, Jay is top 4 d-men in the East behind Chara and very few others.

I would understand a fan who likes Richards, Gagne, Carter, Timonen, Coburn, Giroux or JVR and think that these guys are important now and in the future but when I argue with a fan (he/she) said been a season ticket holder for 35 years about Mike Knuble or importance of our D.. I feel like its Friday and I am in a comedy club already and this is some bad joke.
So you, my dear sir or madam, want an all-star squad and no role players, huh?... Harder to do in this Cap Era... Good role players are interchangeable in your mind, huh?

If we aren't fans of ONLY the stars we are wrong... We shouldn't defend the lesser players against false accusations, huh?

And, BTW, I want J-Bo... I'd just rather move one of your stars to bring in a star.

If you can't see Knuble's worth and leadership, you never will... And I said "leadership", not do it all by himself miracle work.

Why am I bothering? I feel I am on the set of *One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest*

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I'm not convinced in veteran leadership as a strong case. Timonen, Briere, Richards, Gagne are not rookies. Neither is Lupul or Hartnell. We have a solid group of guys. We need that passion for winning the cup. We need that FIRE.

Like I said, trade for Guerin/Knuble/similar guy halfway thru the season for a playoff run. We dont need the leadership to start the season, and injuries will happen.
First off, that is not as easy as it sounds... and such players demand out bidding other teams, and giving up more future assets... And besides, if J-Bo is brought in, there will be little to no Cap room to bring in such a rental... just as there was none this year; Homer had to ship out Cap space for Carcillo.

I am convinced that Hatcher, Smith and Kapanen were all missed... They can't afford to thin out the veterans. The Pens had plenty superstar kids, but they still needed veterans, and missed them when they left... You can't count on obtaining it at the TDL, IMO.

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I never said at any cost... have you read what I wrote?... I said that Homer is trying to sign him for a reason, and that he brings a lot to the table that is above the obvious... and that veteran leadership needs to be addressed, not let go.

If he can't be fit in, he has to go... certainly... But there are ways of retaining what is needed, is there not?.
there is but you make it sound like the veteran leadership on this team is doomed if we dont bring him back.
This team has other needs and we all know what they are.
a top pairing defenseman.
a faceoff specialist.
I would like to bring Knuble back but if the Flyers cant trade Lupul and or Carle I dont see Knuble coming back with the other needs of this hockey club. If Lupul is traded then we will see, if Lupul stays there is zero chance Knuble comes back, and if comes down to Knuble not being here next year and the Flyers needing that "grizzled vet" at forward then there will be one available.

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06-24-2009, 10:52 AM
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And the players with letters don't account for anything either, I suppose.

How many letter are available?
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I am convinced that Hatcher, Smith and Kapanen were all missed... They can't afford to thin out the veterans. The Pens had plenty superstar kids, but they still needed veterans, and missed them when they left... You can't count on obtaining it at the TDL, IMO.
You are contradicting your self ...

All 3 players you mentioned (unlike Mike Knuble) had them letters at some point with the Flyers and/or on other teams. So yes, they were important part of leadership. Smith fought when we were down by a goal, Hatcher threw big dirty or not checks, Kapanen was flying on the ice throwing and taking hits.

What Mike Knubles leadership? Its not there.

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You are contradicting your self ...

All 3 players you mentioned (unlike Mike Knuble) had them letters at some point with the Flyers and/or on other teams. So yes, they were important part of leadership. Smith fought when we were down by a goal, Hatcher threw big dirty or not checks, Kapanen was flying on the ice throwing and taking hits.

What Mike Knubles leadership? Its not there.



FWIW; Knuble has been a member of the appointed 'Leadership Group' which extends beyond the Captain and Alternate Captains... Knuble has at various times wore an 'A' when injuries to the Captain or Alternate(s) and his place in the pecking order came up (see image above)... And, No, I in no way contradicted myself.

Dude or Dudette, I concede... You have worn me out haha... We will just wait and see if Knuble is re-signed or not. Whether he is the player you claim him to be, or the one I see is merely a matter of perception -- if stats are to be ignored, as they were decided to be here -- No matter what we say, there is no consequence whatsoever... So, I choose to step aside and leave you as the winner in this debate; Knuble is not a leader and slows up his linemates, he cannot play physical and loses board battles, he cannot score outside the crease and has hands of cement, his contract will be a waste and he can be replaced at any time during the season for a player of equal or better talents but at a cheaper Cap hit, hid PP points and time can be made up by any number of young players and his detriment on defence should be eliminated after he is removed from the roster... His 30ish goals will be made up for and his time on the PK can be handled, after all he can't clear pucks from the zone to save his life... You have won me over; I can't wait until that useless piece of crap moves on.

Case closed... Homer will now move on to things more worthy his time.

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FWIW; Knuble has been a member of the appointed 'Leadership Group' which extends beyond the Captain and Alternate Captains... Knuble has at various times wore an 'A' when injuries to the Captain or Alternate(s) and his place in the pecking order came up (see image above)... And, No, I in no way contradicted myself.

Dude or Dudette, I concede... You have worn me out haha... We will just wait and see if Knuble is re-signed or not. Whether he is the player you claim him to be, or the one I see is merely a matter of perception -- if stats are to be ignored, as they were decided to be here -- No matter what we say, there is no consequence whatsoever... So, I choose to step aside and leave you as the winner in this debate; Knuble is not a leader and slows up his linemates, he cannot play physical and loses board battles, he cannot score outside the crease and has hands of cement, his contract will be a waste and he can be replaced at any time during the season for a player of equal or better talents but at a cheaper Cap hit, hid PP points and time can be made up by any number of young players and his detriment on defence should be eliminated after he is removed from the roster... His 30ish goals will be made up for and his time on the PK can be handled, after all he can't clear pucks from the zone to save his life... You have won me over; I can't wait until that useless piece of crap moves on.

Case closed... Homer will now move on to things more worthy his time.
When Forsberg was traded and we had Richards, Carter, Umberger, Upshall, Pitkanen, Jones etc etc there??? Most of our roster was under 25 years old? Are you serious? Please...

Ex captain Timonen and Briere, captain Richards and Gagne had A for a while. Thats all we really need. Thats 5 players who should lead and do so on regular basis.


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When Forsberg was moved and Gagne was injured and we had Richards, Carter etc etc there??? Please...
Please what?

Knuble wore the 'A' after that year -- note the Reebok Edge new style jersey -- So I guess that means that you agree that you were incorrect since it was not the year you based your opinion on, and he was an alternate with better veteran players on the roster.


Dude/Dudette, you've won; I've given in... Go enjoy your victory.

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When Forsberg was traded and we had Richards, Carter, Umberger, Upshall, Pitkanen, Jones etc etc there??? Most of our roster was under 25 years old? Are you serious? Please...

Ex captain Timonen and Briere, captain Richards and Gagne had A for a while. Thats all we really need. Thats 5 players who should lead and do so on regular basis.
As to your edit... see above about year of image... PUH-LEEZE.

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Please what?

Knuble wore the 'A' after that year -- note the Reebok Edge new style jersey -- So I guess that means that you agree that you were incorrect since it was not the year you based your opinion on, and he was an alternate with better veteran players on the roster.


Dude/Dudette, you've won; I've given in... Go enjoy your victory.
This is why we never win enything because "so called leaders" are on our team. No intensity, no physical presence no in your face style. What did he do in playoffs this year? Did he lead? No bad penalties? How about A? Did he wear it?

I named you 4 players (not to mention Carter) that deserve to be on our team and you name me mike knuble. His time is over. He is NOT coming back.

Give me Bouwmeester today!! Not mike knuble!

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This is why we never win enything because "so called leaders" are on our team. No intensity, no physical presence no in your face style. What did he do in playoffs this year? Did he lead? No bad penalties? How about A? Did he wear it?

I named you 4 players (not to mention Carter) that deserve to be on our team and you name me mike knuble. His time is over. He is NOT coming back.

Give me Bouwmeester today!! Not mike knuble!
You indeed have an answer for everything... If one didn't work, you just come up with another answer.

What part of 'you won' don't you understand?

I now agree with you... due to your keen logic and debating skills... Goodbye, Mike.

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2 days wasted on a chump that likes mike knuble. He really did a number of me with that jersey, eh? Or when I said that I would trade more then half of Flyers team for an opportunity to sign Bouwmeester, chump was all over me on that one. How can you argue with a season ticket holder, thats just stupid! That argument alone shoudl be enough to be right on any hockey topic. How about dude and dudette? Now that was hysterical.

Mike Knuble is indeed a player and a leader that we cannot afford to lose. Richards, Timonen, Gagne, Briere or Carter wit Hartnell will be at loss with out Mike.

Whats more important? Improving our D with a player like Bouwmeester or signing aging veteran we can replace in a second? Real tough decision there.


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2 days wasted on a chump that likes mike knuble. He really did a number of me with that jersey, eh? Or when I said that I would trade more then half of Flyers team for an opportunity to sign Bouwmeester, chump was all over me on that one. How can you argue season ticket holder, thats just stupid! That argiment alone shoudl be enough to be right on any hockey topic. How about dude and dudette? Now that was hysterical.

Mike Knuble is indeed a player and a leader that we cannot afford to lose. Richards, Timonen, Gagne, Briere or Carter wit Hartnell will be at loss with out Mike.

Whats more important? Improving our D with a player like Bouwmeester or signing aging veteran we can replace in a second? Real tough decision there.
... Okay, ... what happens next? Do we begin arguing the opposite arguments from the ones that we started?

It's been fun, I have to admit; please take care, Dude.

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