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06-25-2009, 11:08 AM
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Nashville better drafting outside of top 10?

Do the math, lol,

in the top ten,

Legwand, Finley, Hartnell, Upshall, Hamhuis, Suter,

outside top ten,

Erat, Rinne, Blum, Radulov, Skrastins, Weber, Sulzer.


This is the 11th draft for Nashville, and they pick 11th, and my lucky number is 11, lol.
Plus this is the highest possible pick outside of the top 10, which I am thinking could be a great pick for us down the road, just a little bit superstition...


Come on Kassian, Kulikov or Glennie!!!! I do not know what order those 3 are expected to go in, but I am cool with any of them, preferably the forwards.

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i did the math, lol, and decided if i were nashville i would still rather draft in the top ten than outside the top ten, lol.

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David Poile and Paul Fenton have some strange paterns. When the draft as a whole sucks he plucks usable talent. He takes fliers on Nordic players in the late rounds and his bouncing between forward and defensive picks in the first pick.

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06-25-2009, 12:01 PM
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Do the math, lol,

in the top ten,

Legwand, Finley, Hartnell, Upshall, Hamhuis, Suter,

outside top ten,

Erat, Rinne, Blum, Radulov, Skrastins, Weber, Sulzer.
I dunno, I don't think it's good statistical practice to pull out a handful of names of the dozens of non-top 10 picks they've had. Especially when Sulzer and Blum aren't NHL regulars yet.

Finley's the only bust of that first group and he came from a pretty god awful draft year.

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I dunno, I don't think it's good statistical practice to pull out a handful of names of the dozens of non-top 10 picks they've had. Especially when Sulzer and Blum aren't NHL regulars yet.

Finley's the only bust of that first group and he came from a pretty god awful draft year.
And to touch ofn that with my note in that year Nashville picked Adam Hall, Andrew Hutchinson, Martin Erat, and Darren Haydar. Not grweat but with a draft that crappy it's gold.

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I dunno, I don't think it's good statistical practice to pull out a handful of names of the dozens of non-top 10 picks they've had. Especially when Sulzer and Blum aren't NHL regulars yet.

Finley's the only bust of that first group and he came from a pretty god awful draft year.
Agree. I don't think the argument holds water in part b/c the Preds, like all teams, have a lot more picks every year outside of the top 10. If you want to compare, look at first round picks only, either inside or outside the top 10. Pretty even cast. Preds generally pick very safely in the top 10, which you would expect from Poile. Then, you have to consider who is available at their pick in any given year... Legwand at the 2nd pick was the logical and consensus choice but he's no Malkin, Staal, Heatley...

The Preds largely suck at 2nd round picks which has been our biggest downfall to date in drafting.

None of that is relevant to this year though- the "top 10" cutoff is arbitrary concept and I think in this draft at #11, the Preds will get a good player.

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Hamhuis wasn't a top ten pick - he went 12th overall.

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Hamhuis wasn't a top ten pick - he went 12th overall.

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Yeah about to say. But that helps your case anyways

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Suter is a pretty darn good defenseman. I would probably take him over most of those guys listed outside the top ten. Maybe he is under-appreciated in Nashville?

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When did Suter go?? cant remember. Also, Wilson should be good, but he was a top 10.

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When did Suter go?? cant remember. Also, Wilson should be good, but he was a top 10.
Suter went seventh in 03.

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Do the math, lol,

in the top ten,

Legwand, Finley, Hartnell, Upshall, Hamhuis, Suter,

outside top ten,

Erat, Rinne, Blum, Radulov, Skrastins, Weber, Sulzer.


This is the 11th draft for Nashville, and they pick 11th, and my lucky number is 11, lol.
Plus this is the highest possible pick outside of the top 10, which I am thinking could be a great pick for us down the road, just a little bit superstition...


Come on Kassian, Kulikov or Glennie!!!! I do not know what order those 3 are expected to go in, but I am cool with any of them, preferably the forwards.
I dont know how you can compare 2-9th rd selections of 11 years (100 picks) over 10 picks and do a comparison. lol

if you want to do this questions you should look at it with their 1st round success:

1998 2nd Legwand
1999 6th Finley
2000 6th Hartnell
2001 12th Hamhuis
2002 6th Upshall
2003 7th Ryan Suter
2004 15th Radulov
2005 18th Ryan Parent
2006 no pick.
2007 23 Jon Blum
2008 7th Wilson, 18th Pickard

so

Legwand (#2 centre) , Finley (bust) , Hartnell (great #3rd liner), Upshall (great #3rd liner), Suter (#1 pairing dman), Wilson (NA)

vs

Hamhuis (1b pairing), Radulov (1st line winger), Parent (2nd line d pairing), Blum (NA), Pickard. (NA).

I think they have done better then the 10th selection so far imo.

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06-25-2009, 06:03 PM
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I dont know how you can compare 2-9th rd selections of 11 years (100 picks) over 10 picks and do a comparison. lol

if you want to do this questions you should look at it with their 1st round success:

1998 2nd Legwand
1999 6th Finley
2000 6th Hartnell
2001 12th Hamhuis
2002 6th Upshall
2003 7th Ryan Suter
2004 15th Radulov
2005 18th Ryan Parent
2006 no pick.
2007 23 Jon Blum
2008 7th Wilson, 18th Pickard

so

Legwand (#2 centre) , Finley (bust) , Hartnell (great #3rd liner), Upshall (great #3rd liner), Suter (#1 pairing dman), Wilson (NA)

vs

Hamhuis (1b pairing), Radulov (1st line winger), Parent (2nd line d pairing), Blum (NA), Pickard. (NA).

I think they have done better then the 10th selection so far imo.
Hartnell is a great 2nd liner, and in some cases a 1st liner. 30G-60pts and is a physical presence. Suter is a #1 D-man.

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Always been Poile's MO. He drafts solid if unspectacular players most of the time. They'll usually have long NHL careers, but he seems to shy away from the players that might seem like a reach at times, for the safer pick.

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I dont know how you can compare 2-9th rd selections of 11 years (100 picks) over 10 picks and do a comparison. lol

if you want to do this questions you should look at it with their 1st round success:

1998 2nd Legwand
1999 6th Finley
2000 6th Hartnell
2001 12th Hamhuis
2002 6th Upshall
2003 7th Ryan Suter
2004 15th Radulov
2005 18th Ryan Parent
2006 no pick.
2007 23 Jon Blum
2008 7th Wilson, 18th Pickard

so

Legwand (#2 centre) , Finley (bust) , Hartnell (great #3rd liner), Upshall (great #3rd liner), Suter (#1 pairing dman), Wilson (NA)

vs

Hamhuis (1b pairing), Radulov (1st line winger), Parent (2nd line d pairing), Blum (NA), Pickard. (NA).

I think they have done better then the 10th selection so far imo.
Hartnell is not a third line player. He plays with an edge and plays with grit, but he can score. Hartnell is a second line player. I probably wouldnt have posted, but you said Radulov was a first line player and Hartnell was a third.

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Hartnell is not a third line player. He plays with an edge and plays with grit, but he can score. Hartnell is a second line player. I probably wouldnt have posted, but you said Radulov was a first line player and Hartnell was a third.
Everyone has there own opinion but my breakdown is this:

1st line : PPG player
2nd line: 60-80 ppg
3rd line: (checking role is ideal, grit, strength) good (15g,25a) great 30-60pt

If you read properly it said Great #3rd liner. Sure he can play #2 but the best fit for Hartnell is playing a gritty checking role WHO can also provide scoring. Hes an ideal 3rd line candidate. He can do 40-60 pts and play with an edge.

Radulov is pure skill and had/has potential to be a quality #1 winger who could be a PPG player through out his career if he continued.

To the other posted. Suter is a #1b pairing dman. yes. #1a dman is Lidstrom/Pronger/Chara/Neids etc pretty much the elite #1. Guys that will be on your PK and PP top minutes over their career. Hamhuis and Zanon get credit were NSH top PKers. Sorry if you disagree with me. I just dont think Suter is an franchise dman. Can he ? Potentially, as he hasnt hit his prime age yet but Weber I think has more potential to be that franchise dman imo. So I give him #1b. #1 pairing dman.
Suter hasnt even been an allstar yet.. so I wont give him #1 status yet..Hes a great support guy but not a leader of Pronger calibre. That is my rationale for my ratings.

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Everyone has there own opinion but my breakdown is this:

1st line : PPG player
2nd line: 60-80 ppg
3rd line: (checking role is ideal, grit, strength) good (15g,25a) great 30-60pt

If you read properly it said Great #3rd liner. Sure he can play #2 but the best fit for Hartnell is playing a gritty checking role WHO can also provide scoring. Hes an ideal 3rd line candidate. He can do 40-60 pts and play with an edge.

Radulov is pure skill and had/has potential to be a quality #1 winger who could be a PPG player through out his career if he continued.

To the other posted. Suter is a #1b pairing dman. yes. #1a dman is Lidstrom/Pronger/Chara/Neids etc pretty much the elite #1. Guys that will be on your PK and PP top minutes over their career. Hamhuis and Zanon get credit were NSH top PKers. Sorry if you disagree with me. I just dont think Suter is an franchise dman. Can he ? Potentially, as he hasnt hit his prime age yet but Weber I think has more potential to be that franchise dman imo. So I give him #1b. #1 pairing dman.
Suter hasnt even been an allstar yet.. so I wont give him #1 status yet..Hes a great support guy but not a leader of Pronger calibre. That is my rationale for my ratings.
Wow, I wish my team had 60-80 point second liners and only good 3rd liners with 40 points. Anything over 50 points is good for the top line (which is nice since there were exactly 90 forwards with more than 50 points last year).

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Holy high expectations batman. If you have two PPG players, they're top 15 in the league. Not to mention 80 points is pretty friggin' close to PPG. I don't know what kind of world you live in, but 60 points on a third line (especially for all 3 players!) is ridiculous. That'd be a good SECOND line. Most second line players only get 40-50 points also.
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Also, how are you going to fit your 80 point 2nd liners and 60 point 3rd liners under the cap?

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