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How Many Hall of Famers Will The 2002 Cup Team Have?

View Poll Results: How Many Hall of Famers Will The 02 Cup Team End Up With?
6 2 3.08%
7 0 0%
8 5 7.69%
9 15 23.08%
10 41 63.08%
11 0 0%
12+ 2 3.08%
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06-24-2009, 03:41 PM
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How Many Hall of Famers Will The 2002 Cup Team Have?

When it's all said and done, the 2002 Cup Winning Detroit Red Wings had the following roster:

Forwards

* 19 Steve Yzerman IN
* 8 Igor Larionov IN
* 13 Pavel Datsyuk
* 91 Sergei Fedorov
* 29 Jason Williams
* 42 Sean Avery†
* 14 Brendan Shanahan
* 17 Brett Hull IN
* 18 Kirk Maltby
* 20 Luc Robitaille IN
* 21 Boyd Devereaux
* 25 Darren McCarty
* 33 Kris Draper&
* 96 Tomas Holmstrom

Defensemen

* 2 Jiri Fischer
* 5 Nicklas Lidstrom
* 11 Mathieu Dandenault
* 24 Chris Chelios
* 27 Fredrik Olausson
* 28 Steve Duchesne
* 71 Jiri Slegr
* 32 Maxim Kuznetsov†
* 4 Uwe Krupp†


Goalies
* 39 Dominik Hasek
* 34 Manny Legace


On top of the 4 Hall of Famers already, how many when it's all said and done?

I count Lidstrom and Hasek as locks.

I also think a few others are solid locks as well but I'll leave it at 6 minimum.



EDIT Forgot Chelios.......sets the bar at 7, oops.


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06-24-2009, 03:44 PM
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Chelios, Shanahan and Fedorov will get in. Datsyuk might get in.

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06-24-2009, 03:46 PM
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I think 10, if you only count players. More than 10 if you count Bowman, Holland, Illitch, etc.

Yzerman
Hull
Robitaille
Larionov
Shanahan
Fedorov
Datsyuk
Lidstrom
Chelios
Hasek

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06-24-2009, 03:49 PM
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When it's all said and done, the 2002 Cup Winning Detroit Red Wings had the following roster:

Forwards

* 19 Steve Yzerman IN
* 8 Igor Larionov IN

* 13 Pavel Datsyuk
* 91 Sergei Fedorov
* 29 Jason Williams
* 42 Sean Avery†
* 14 Brendan Shanahan
* 17 Brett Hull IN
* 18 Kirk Maltby
* 20 Luc Robitaille IN
* 21 Boyd Devereaux
* 25 Darren McCarty
* 33 Kris Draper&
* 96 Tomas Holmstrom

Defensemen

* 2 Jiri Fischer
* 5 Nicklas Lidstrom
* 11 Mathieu Dandenault
* 24 Chris Chelios
* 27 Fredrik Olausson
* 28 Steve Duchesne
* 71 Jiri Slegr
* 32 Maxim Kuznetsov†
* 4 Uwe Krupp†


Goalies
* 39 Dominik Hasek
* 34 Manny Legace


On top of the 4 Hall of Famers already, how many when it's all said and done?

I count Lidstrom and Hasek as locks.

I also think a few others are solid locks as well but I'll leave it at 6 minimum.
9... those guys are pretty much all locks to get into the HoF.

Datsyuk... likely to make it in if he continues putting up 90+ seasons and winning more hardware.

Interesting that you count Lidstrom as a lock, but not Chelios.

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I think 10, if you only count players. More than 10 if you count Bowman, Holland, Illitch, etc.

Yzerman
Hull
Robitaille
Larionov
Shanahan
Fedorov
Datsyuk
Lidstrom
Chelios
Hasek
Yeah I meant players only.

I voted 12+ because on top of the ten you mention I also think Tomas Holmström could get in, a fifth Stanley Cup this year would have made it a stronger point but I still think he'll win 2 Cups with Detroit before he's finished.

And he will be remembered as a playoff performer, with 6 rings I could see him in.

Then there's Manny Legace, he's 36 but due to his late entrance and having only played 308 games, I think he will be one of those goaltenders playing till his mid 40s.

That said his regular season stats look like:

164-83
23 Shutouts


Nothing wild, but he could notch 200 more wins before he's done, you never know, he could get a team to a Stanley Cup, maybe a Vezina.

I know I'm being a bit of a homer but why not? He lost for us in the first round against the Oilers three years back but he wasn't horrible.

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06-24-2009, 04:08 PM
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Ugh.... Holmstrom and Legace will never see the light of day in the HoF... they've made the requirements stricter to get in, not easier.

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Yeah I meant players only.

I voted 12+ because on top of the ten you mention I also think Tomas Holmström could get in, a fifth Stanley Cup this year would have made it a stronger point but I still think he'll win 2 Cups with Detroit before he's finished.

And he will be remembered as a playoff performer, with 6 rings I could see him in.

Then there's Manny Legace, he's 36 but due to his late entrance and having only played 308 games, I think he will be one of those goaltenders playing till his mid 40s.

That said his regular season stats look like:

164-83
23 Shutouts


Nothing wild, but he could notch 200 more wins before he's done, you never know, he could get a team to a Stanley Cup, maybe a Vezina.

I know I'm being a bit of a homer but why not? He lost for us in the first round against the Oilers three years back but he wasn't horrible.
As good as Holmstrom has been for the Red Wings, he has absolutely no chance at the HHOF. Draper would have a MUCH better chance than Holmstrom, and even he has no chance. Inducting Holmstrom would be like inducting Esa Tikkanen or Craig Simpson. All of which were good players, but have 0% chance of being in the HHOF.

As for Legace, abolusutely no chance. If guys like Vernon and Barrasso (who were both starters for most of their careers, have a ton of career wins, and have won some individual hardware) are on the bubble, then a guy like Legace doesn't have a prayer.

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There'll be 10, assuming Datsyuk can keep it up.

Holmstrom and Legace have zero chance. I'd probably put Steve Duchesne in ahead of those guys...but yikes.

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Yeah I meant players only.

I voted 12+ because on top of the ten you mention I also think Tomas Holmström could get in, a fifth Stanley Cup this year would have made it a stronger point but I still think he'll win 2 Cups with Detroit before he's finished.

And he will be remembered as a playoff performer, with 6 rings I could see him in.

Then there's Manny Legace, he's 36 but due to his late entrance and having only played 308 games, I think he will be one of those goaltenders playing till his mid 40s.

That said his regular season stats look like:

164-83
23 Shutouts


Nothing wild, but he could notch 200 more wins before he's done, you never know, he could get a team to a Stanley Cup, maybe a Vezina.

I know I'm being a bit of a homer but why not? He lost for us in the first round against the Oilers three years back but he wasn't horrible.
This post was a joke, right? Outside the Magnificent 9, I could see Datsyuk getting in and Avery could of course get his own wing in there someday.

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06-24-2009, 04:22 PM
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I dont know, but one thing I know for sure is Sean Avery is a lock.

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IMO Datsyuk will not be a hall of famer. The guy in my mind needs 600-700 more points to be considered that just statistically. Watching him play he's definitely a HOF calibre player but stats matter. If he can score that many points consistently over his career(meaning in 80-90 points seasons) than yes I would probably consider him a hall of famer. My answer is obviously 9.

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so the question is whether datsyuk will be in HHOF?

yzerman, hull, robitaille, lidstrom, hasek, chelios, fedorov, shanahan and larionov are either already in or will be.

no others have a chance.

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Yeah I agree. I don't know what the 12+ is about or who the 8 wanted to leave out, but it is almost definitely 9 or 10 depending on Datsyuk. I went with 10 expecting Datsyuk to have a great chance if he continues for a while the way he has gone the last couple seasons, but definitely not a lock yet.

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I think Datsyuk will get in because he will likely have 3 or 4 more seasons as a top 5 player in the league and be remembered for great defensive play along with his byng's. It would definitely help his case if he can win another cup or two while producing more offensively in those playoffs. I think he needs to retire after a PPG season on a high note as he will be borderline. If he finishes his contract with another 450 points or so (5 years left right) and picks up some more hardware along the way, he will be well over a point per game in his career while being great defensively while being considered among the best for several years. Definitely HOF material I think. Many players peak for a season as a top 5 player but keeping that up for a good 5 or 6 year window is something few players do.

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Datsyuk will end up getting in. 10.

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9 or 10 probably. I voted 10.

Aside from the 4 already in, I'd say

Datsyuk
Fedorov
Shanahan
Lidstrom
Chelios
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They'' probably have 10

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9 for sure, 10 possibly depending on Datsyuk. I'd love to hear a justification for the ones who voted 8 or 12+ (the last one is just ridiculous). In increasing order of likelyhood:

1. Hasek/Lidstrom/Chelios

All three of these guys are total locks, and they will all be first ballot selections. Hasek and Lidstrom are among the top 5 ever at their positions, and Chelios is in the top 15 at least, probably top 10.

4. Fedorov

He's got the stats, the playoff performances, the peak performances, and the hardware. Some people might grumble about minor stuff like "taking nights off" or "not playing up to his talent", but the bottom line is he went on the ice to win, and did that frequently.

5. Shanahan

The only thing that hurts him is that he was never considered among the absolute best in the league, so he doesn't have that high peak that the above four do. However, he's one of the most consistently good players of the 1990-2009 period, a great playoff performer, a winner, and gets some bonus points for being the "missing piece" that got the Red Wings over the hump and made them into a championship team. His numbers are great and he got them by making a difference, not being a stats compiler.

6. Datsyuk

Obviously there's a big gap to Datsyuk and there's no way he would make the Hall right now, but he's going in the right direction to accumulate a Hall of Fame career. Assuming he plays at least 5-6 more years at this current level, his career stats will look pretty nice, and then the voters will be able to consider his awards, his defensive play, his position as one of the league's top players, and his multiple Stanley Cup championships (along with several other deep playoff runs). But all that is hypothetical and hinges on him continuing to play at or near his current level over the next half-decade.

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Assuming Datsyuk keeps it up and turns it up a notch, I think 10.

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I'm guessing whoever voting 9 is leaving Datsyuk out.

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10, no more, no less.

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