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06-26-2009, 12:27 AM
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"The monster" Jonas Gustavsson - can he be drafted?

this swedisch goalie has a trip behind him, which could him help to decide, which team should he take.

but is there an option, that some NHL club will draft this goalie?

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06-26-2009, 12:29 AM
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I could be that guy who does facepalm emoticons, or I could be that guy who posts random internet teh funnies.

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He is too old to be drafted, he was passed over, hence he being able to sign with a team, if he were draft eligible you would expect him to be a first round pick.

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06-26-2009, 12:40 AM
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He is too old to be drafted, he was passed over, hence he being able to sign with a team, if he were draft eligible you would expect him to be a first round pick.

too old? but for example in 2000 there was a 31 years old Defensman Lubomir Sekeras. drafted by Minnesota.

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too old? but for example in 2000 there was a 31 years old Defensman Lubomir Sekeras. drafted by Minnesota.
Those rules changed with the new CBA.

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06-26-2009, 12:47 AM
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How does drafting work exactly do junior players sign a contract prior to the draft saying they will play for or be in the system of whatever team that drafts them? Or does it just mean these drafted players are off limits to other NHL teams for a certain number of years? Also how does drafting European players work- do teams just draft whoever they want and hope that these players will be willing to come over and play? What if a European player is drafted but wants to play for a different team than the one he was drafted to does he have a choice?

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How does drafting work exactly do junior players sign a contract prior to the draft saying they will play for or be in the system of whatever team that drafts them? Or does it just mean these drafted players are off limits to other NHL teams for a certain number of years? Also how does drafting European players work- do teams just draft whoever they want and hope that these players will be willing to come over and play? What if a European player is drafted but wants to play for a different team than the one he was drafted to does he have a choice?
A player in Canada plays depending on where he lives (or born ?). So, let,s use me. I was born and live in Ontario, so I'd play for a team in the OHL. If I were born and lived in Montréal, i'd play for a team in the Q

European players are drafted to the CHL, OHL, whichever in the Import draft. They can choose to come over, or stay in Europe. If they do come over, they play for the junior team that drafted them.

Once they're eligible, they're automatically "in" the NHL draft. If a team picks that player, say Montréal picks me. Then they own my rights and I can only sign with them (in the NHL, I can choose to go play in Sweden, or Russia) If I want to play in the NHL, but not with Montréal, I can ask to be traded (which looks bad on me), or do what Blake Wheeler did and wait until a certain period is up and then become a FA.

The time period is different. I believe for the NCAA it's 3 years for a team to sign the player, before the team loses the rights to him and he goes abck into the draft, or can be an FA.

For OHL, WHL, Q, leagues like that, I believe it's 2 years.

I'm tired right now and could have messed up somewhere really bad, but correct, or close to it as I think.

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A player in Canada plays depending on where he lives (or born ?). So, let,s use me. I was born and live in Ontario, so I'd play for a team in the OHL. If I were born and lived in Montréal, i'd play for a team in the Q

European players are drafted to the CHL, OHL, whichever in the Import draft. They can choose to come over, or stay in Europe. If they do come over, they play for the junior team that drafted them.

Once they're eligible, they're automatically "in" the NHL draft. If a team picks that player, say Montréal picks me. Then they own my rights and I can only sign with them (in the NHL, I can choose to go play in Sweden, or Russia) If I want to play in the NHL, but not with Montréal, I can ask to be traded (which looks bad on me), or do what Blake Wheeler did and wait until a certain period is up and then become a FA.

The time period is different. I believe for the NCAA it's 3 years for a team to sign the player, before the team loses the rights to him and he goes abck into the draft, or can be an FA.

For OHL, WHL, Q, leagues like that, I believe it's 2 years.

I'm tired right now and could have messed up somewhere really bad, but correct, or close to it as I think.
Thanks for the answers

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I was wondering this last night...if a player is not drafted at what age is he eligible to sign a contract with an NHL team?

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For north american players who played hockey in north america the age is 20. So players entering their 21st year cannot be drafted and are free to sign with anyone.

I am not sure what the new european CBA rules are. They might be the same now.

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For north american players who played hockey in north america the age is 20. So players entering their 21st year cannot be drafted and are free to sign with anyone.

I am not sure what the new european CBA rules are. They might be the same now.
Yea I was wondering about Europeans because I remember guys like Roman Checkmanek getting drafted in their late 20' I believe. I was wondering because Mikko Koskinen is 20 going on 21 and is still eligible.

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Can a player not enter the draft on purpose and sign with whatever team he wants once he turns 21?

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He is too old to be drafted, he was passed over, hence he being able to sign with a team, if he were draft eligible you would expect him to be a first round pick.
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Can a player not enter the draft on purpose and sign with whatever team he wants once he turns 21?
Pretty sure that you can't choose not to enter the draft anymore.

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Pretty sure that you can't choose not to enter the draft anymore.
If you recall, the Leafs attempted to get Tavares to follow this very route. If you don't want to be drafted, you're not put in the draft... but you also can't step right into the NHL

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If you recall, the Leafs attempted to get Tavares to follow this very route. If you don't want to be drafted, you're not put in the draft... but you also can't step right into the NHL
No, you don't have a choice. Tavares or any other player can't just say he doesn't want to be drafted. Well he can, but it's meaningless.

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If you recall, the Leafs attempted to get Tavares to follow this very route.
Umm, when did the Leafs attempt this?

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Umm, when did the Leafs attempt this?
JFJ made a half-hearted attempt near the end of his tenure to get Tavares to sign with the Marlies. The AHL put the kibosh on it though.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2007/...tavares_leafs/

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JFJ made a half-hearted attempt near the end of his tenure to get Tavares to sign with the Marlies. The AHL put the kibosh on it though.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2007/...tavares_leafs/
Wow, okay. As if I didn't think JFJ wasn't enough of an idiot already.

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For north american players who played hockey in north america the age is 20. So players entering their 21st year cannot be drafted and are free to sign with anyone.

I am not sure what the new european CBA rules are. They might be the same now.
For europians it's one year older.

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Pretty sure that you can't choose not to enter the draft anymore.
Correct. Came with the new CBA. I might be wrong, but I think guys like Stastny and Hensick (for the Avs) did this in '04 and were both selected in '05. Probably a few more players out there as well.

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Can a player not enter the draft on purpose and sign with whatever team he wants once he turns 21?
The players will enter the draft, but they can choose not to sign with the team that drafted them. That will, however, raise serious questions about character, and if they're looking to sign with a certain team, they'll have to be sure the new team actually wants to sign them.

[ungrateful ********, they should be happy a team liked them enough to draft them

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8.4 Eligibility for Claim.

(a) All Players age 18 or older are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except:
(i) a Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out;
(ii) a Player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts;
(iii) a Player who previously played in the League and became a Free Agent pursuant to this Agreement;
(iv) a Player age 21 or older who: (A) has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft and (B) played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19, or 20 and shall be eligible to enter the League as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Article 10.1(d); and
(v) a Player age 22 or older who has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft and shall be eligible to enter the League as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Article 10.1(d).

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CHL / college players eligible for selection in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft must be born between January 1st, 1989 and September 15th 1991 and non-CHL / non-college players born between January 1st, 1988 and September 15th, 1991

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8.4 Eligibility for Claim.

(a) All Players age 18 or older are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except:
(i) a Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out;
(ii) a Player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts;
(iii) a Player who previously played in the League and became a Free Agent pursuant to this Agreement;
(iv) a Player age 21 or older who: (A) has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft and (B) played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19, or 20 and shall be eligible to enter the League as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Article 10.1(d); and
(v) a Player age 22 or older who has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft and shall be eligible to enter the League as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Article 10.1(d).


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CHL / college players eligible for selection in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft must be born between January 1st, 1989 and September 15th 1991 and non-CHL / non-college players born between January 1st, 1988 and September 15th, 1991
Article 8.4 covers eligibility for the Entry Draft. The eligibility for undrafted players is covered in Article 8.9.

Undrafted players (eligible for the draft, but not selected) may sign as a UFAs (subject to ELS limitations).

Undrafted NA players <20 yo can sign an NHL SPC between the Entry Draft and the start of Juniors.

Undrafted NA players 20+ yo can sign an NHL SPC between the Entry Draft and the start of the NHL Regular Season.

Undrafted Euro players 22+ yo can sign an NHL SPC between the Entry Draft and the start of the NHL Regular Season.

Undrafted Euro players <22 yo are not eligible to play in the NHL.

Note that if an undrafted player does not sign an NHL SPC within those windows, then he may still be selected in the following years Entry Draft (if he remains draft eligible).

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8.9 Eligibility for Play in the League. No Player shall be eligible for play in the
League unless he:
(a) had been claimed in the last Entry Draft, or was ineligible for claim under
Section 8.4; or

(b) had been eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft, but was unclaimed, and:
(i) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was age
20 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC
which was signed and registered with the League between the
conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the next NHL
Season.

(ii) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was
under age 20 at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC
which was signed and registered with the League between the
conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the Major
Juniors season (except that if such Player had signed an NHL tryout
form, which was signed and registered with the League during
the aforesaid time period, then the deadline for signing and
registering with the League an SPC with such try-out Club shall be
the commencement of the NHL Season).

(iii) had played hockey outside of North America in the prior season
and was age 22 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft and
signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League
between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and the commencement
of the next NHL Season.

(iv) The words "eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft" in
subparagraph (b) above mean "eligible for claim in all rounds of
the last Entry Draft." The words "the prior season" in subparagraph
(i), (ii) and (iii) above mean "a full season prior to the last Entry
Draft."

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