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06-26-2009, 11:49 PM
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Tatar is my dude if we get a 2nd.

Smallish, but has a ton of positive qualities.

I've read one too many intangible-laden scouting reports about the kid.
I'm sooooo sick of hearing about intangibles.

Talk to me about a guys awareness in either zone, that's fine (which is oft confused with intangles)....but drafting a guy on "leadership"?

*Vomit*

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06-27-2009, 01:16 AM
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Again.... this was the right pick even if he doesn't offensively pan out - which some may consider "busting". Those criticizing are simply looking for something to whine about.

First and foremost, this pick, at the very least, HINTS that Darcy finally may "get it"... he finally may see the blatantly obvious: we need more sandpaper.

Those comparing him to Kaleta? You want to talk about a pretty acceptable worst case scenario right there.... if this kid's bottom is becoming another Pat Kaleta, is that all that bad? Patrick Kaleta is an NHLer, and seems to be quite valuable to our team. Top that off with the fact that this kid is known to fight - something Kaleta doesn't do, really - and we've added another piece.

Please don't forget that he was considered a top-10 prospect in some outlets, and widely considered top-15. Meaning there's something there offensively for scouts to rank him high and for him to be "a good fit" for any team that were to pick him.

This pick, as Darcy put it, was one of their higher rated players who happened to also fit a clear organizational need. I like the pick.

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06-27-2009, 01:21 AM
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Again.... this was the right pick even if he doesn't offensively pan out - which some may consider "busting". Those criticizing are simply looking for something to whine about.

First and foremost, this pick, at the very least, HINTS that Darcy finally may "get it"... he finally may see the blatantly obvious: we need more sandpaper.

Those comparing him to Kaleta? You want to talk about a pretty acceptable worst case scenario right there.... if this kid's bottom is becoming another Pat Kaleta, is that all that bad? Patrick Kaleta is an NHLer, and seems to be quite valuable to our team. Top that off with the fact that this kid is known to fight - something Kaleta doesn't do, really - and we've added another piece.

Please don't forget that he was considered a top-10 prospect in some outlets, and widely considered top-15. Meaning there's something there offensively for scouts to rank him high and for him to be "a good fit" for any team that were to pick him.

This pick, as Darcy put it, was one of their higher rated players who happened to also fit a clear organizational need. I like the pick.
I'm not a huge prospect guy, but I agree with you. Great pick. There's definitely been a trend to drafting bigger with Adam, Myers, and Kassian. Much needed.

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06-27-2009, 01:24 AM
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I'm sooooo sick of hearing about intangibles.

Talk to me about a guys awareness in either zone, that's fine (which is oft confused with intangles)....but drafting a guy on "leadership"?

*Vomit*
I just meant that he hustles every shift and was a go to guy for his team faceoff wise.

He is small though.

If we get a second rounder we do have to go center.

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I just meant that he hustles every shift and was a go to guy for his team faceoff wise.

He is small though.

If we get a second rounder we do have to go center.
There isn't a player in the NHL that doesn't "hustle" every shift. I guarentee you.

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06-27-2009, 07:20 AM
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The difference is you won't find any Jordan Schroeder's beyond the first round. You will find your 3rd line grinders throughout the entire draft.
Really?

I could see Schroeder ending up having a career akin to Roy and Pominville who were both 2nd rounders.

I like Schroeder, but he was more of what the Sabres have in abundance in Ennis, Gerbe, and Kennedy.

Kassian was THE PICK at that spot, IMO.

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06-27-2009, 07:40 AM
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Again.... this was the right pick even if he doesn't offensively pan out - which some may consider "busting". Those criticizing are simply looking for something to whine about.
Wasting the 13th overall pick on a 3rd/4th line grinder is not something would be happy with. Simply put, Kassian WAS NOT BPA. Which is fine, he is something we desperately need in our pipeline but those acting like he's talented enough to be picked there and the sandpaper is just an added bonus are fooling themselves. Based on talent alone, he's not a first rounder IMO. Hopefully he pans out, but I have my doubts...though I had my doubts about Myers as well and I've been admittedly wrong on that one so far.

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First and foremost, this pick, at the very least, HINTS that Darcy finally may "get it"... he finally may see the blatantly obvious: we need more sandpaper.
Agreed, and I can get behind that.

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Those comparing him to Kaleta? You want to talk about a pretty acceptable worst case scenario right there.... if this kid's bottom is becoming another Pat Kaleta, is that all that bad? Patrick Kaleta is an NHLer, and seems to be quite valuable to our team. Top that off with the fact that this kid is known to fight - something Kaleta doesn't do, really - and we've added another piece.
Personally, I don't think he's all that comparable to Kaleta. He wouldn't be as effective in a 3rd/4th line role as Kaleta is IMO. Kaleta does not work the boards or protect the puck like Kassian, but Kassian doesn't hit as much or as enthusiastically as Kaleta, which is what makes Kaleta SO good in his 3rd/4th line role.

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There are a lot of really good players left, I really hope we get a 2nd rounder somehow. Here's my list of top available for the sabres.

Jeremy Morin
Zach Buddish
Ethan Werek
Carl Klingberg
Ryan O'Reilly
Landon Ferraro
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06-27-2009, 07:48 AM
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Darcy says he wants to move up in the draft (2nd round) and isn't done.

We shall see.
Not sure I want the sabres to do this. I'd hate to trade off our assetts, Hecht, Hank, Paille, etc for draft picks. rather use those player to obtain other NHL ready players. Otherwise, It'll be the status quo and we all know where that leads....10th place.

Darcy should have traded back and gotten extra picks that way.

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There are a lot of really good players left, I really hope we get a 2nd rounder somehow. Here's my list of top available for the sabres.

Jeremy Morin
Zach Buddish
Ethan Werek
Carl Klingberg
Ryan O'Reilly
Landon Ferraro
Toni Rajala
Scoring guys indeed. If they can shift salary and get back into the second round, that would be great.

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I like Kassian. I liked Kreider and Leblanc more. Eh. Moving on.

So they have a guy like they haven't had since May was young -- tough, plays hard, defends teammates and can keep up with the offensive guys. That I like.

That Leblanc went to the Habs and Kreider went to the Rangers though -- I don't care for their new teams.

And I hope Regier continues to look for and acquire guys with some brass. He hasn't shown the ability to add more than at most one player a year to the grit department going back to the Mair and Grier acquisitions. The team still needs to get tougher on the ice, not just in the prospect pool.


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Really?

I could see Schroeder ending up having a career akin to Roy and Pominville who were both 2nd rounders.

I like Schroeder, but he was more of what the Sabres have in abundance in Ennis, Gerbe, and Kennedy.

Kassian was THE PICK at that spot, IMO.
It's not like Schroeder is better and stronger than both Parise and Kane were at the same age or anything. It's not like Schroeder was 2nd at the combine in the bench press or anything. Yeah that guy is just a little ***** who can't even handle the physical NCAA game.

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The Sabres website has it streaming.

Oh btw, it's looking like Phaneuf is going to be moved.

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Wasting the 13th overall pick on a 3rd/4th line grinder is not something would be happy with. Simply put, Kassian WAS NOT BPA. Which is fine, he is something we desperately need in our pipeline but those acting like he's talented enough to be picked there and the sandpaper is just an added bonus are fooling themselves. Based on talent alone, he's not a first rounder IMO. Hopefully he pans out, but I have my doubts...though I had my doubts about Myers as well and I've been admittedly wrong on that one so far.



Agreed, and I can get behind that.



Personally, I don't think he's all that comparable to Kaleta. He wouldn't be as effective in a 3rd/4th line role as Kaleta is IMO. Kaleta does not work the boards or protect the puck like Kassian, but Kassian doesn't hit as much or as enthusiastically as Kaleta, which is what makes Kaleta SO good in his 3rd/4th line role.
The scouting consensus had him ranked around 13th overall, which coincidentally was higher than Schroeder. The only player you could really make an argument about that fell out of the top 10 and might have been better was Kulikov and there's the spectre of the KHL looming large with him.

Kassian brings some needed grit and size to the lineup, at worse he'll be a servicable player and best turn into something similar to Lucic. They probably in the longrun would have been better rolling the dice with Kreider or Holland (who I think might turn into Getzlaf light).

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Had we had our 2nd we would of had Drew Shore on the board at our pick.

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The Sabres website has it streaming.

Oh btw, it's looking like Phaneuf is going to be moved.
Wrong Calgary d-man.

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It's not like Schroeder is better and stronger than both Parise and Kane were at the same age or anything. It's not like Schroeder was 2nd at the combine in the bench press or anything. Yeah that guy is just a little ***** who can't even handle the physical NCAA game.
I ask again, why would we need ANOTHER small, undersized skill player in our organization? Are Roy, Pominville, Gerbe, Ennis, Kennedy, and Byron not enough for you?

It's not like Schroeder is better and stronger than both Parise and Kane were at the same age or anything.

Therefore he's going to be a better player? If that was the case, why was he picked in the 20's?

It's not like Schroeder was 2nd at the combine in the bench press or anything.

Therefore he must be stronger than Kassian? Here's a clue, he's 5'8'', he has short arms. The bench is easier for people who don't have to lift the weight as far.

You're reaching, my friend. It seems as if you're almost at the point where you're hoping Kassian fails so that you can come on here in four years and say "I told you so." Nobody likes that guy. Don't be him.

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Shore, Buddish, Dummoulin, Ryan all gone in round 2. Rats.

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Wrong Calgary d-man.
No, I meant he'll be moved if JBo resigns.

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Werek to the Rangers. Grrr....

Looks like Regier can't get back into the second.

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Damn. Look for Tatar to do some things in Detroit.

Little Ulf to Pittsburgh.

At least our 3rd is like a 2nd.

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Darcy says he wants to move up in the draft (2nd round) and isn't done.

We shall see.
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