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06-27-2009, 03:08 PM
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Where was Kane the rest of the series? The Canucks got collectively beat as a team by being Physically dominated and worn down by a bigger..more physical Hawks team.

In fact you could make a strong argument that these were the Hawk players who actually did kill us.....

22 Troy Brouwer 6' 2" 213 Aug 17, 1985 23 Vancouver, BC, CAN
37 Adam Burish 6' 1" 200 Jan 6, 1983 26 Madison, WI, USA
33 Dustin Byfuglien 6' 3" 247 Mar 27, 1985 24 Minneapolis, MN, USA
55 Ben Eager 6' 2" 220 Jan 22, 1984 25 Ottawa, ON, CAN
16 Andrew Ladd 6' 2" 198 Dec 12, 1985 23 Maple Ridge, BC, CAN
2 Duncan Keith "A" 6' 1" 194 Jul 16, 1983 25 Winnipeg, MB, CAN
7 Brent Seabrook 6' 3" 220 Apr 20, 1985 24 Richmond, BC, CAN

Take a good hard look at the average size of that group!!!
LOL u know whats funny our biggest 3 players in that series were Luongo, Pyatt, Sundin ranging from 6'3-6'5. One is a goalie, one never uses his size, and one never fights. After the last game of the regular season with the blackhawks I knew if it got physical we were gonna get beat down.

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06-27-2009, 03:09 PM
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LMG, why can't you ever be satisfied with anything here? Who would've you preferred? He was obviously the best pick available? Honestly, this should be a no brainer for every Canuck fan on this site.

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06-27-2009, 03:13 PM
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Fact: What's the point of drafting big players to protect your small skilled players when you have NONE?

We now have Hodgson, Schroeder, Rodin, Shirokov, Grabner as our "smaller" skilled guys.

You absolutely have to start somewhere and going with skill and brains over brawn and size is where I want to be. However, saying that I do agree with those of you that are saying Chicago beat us with their "size" and "tenacity," but in the end you have to have skill to offset that size. Size period doesn't win you hockey games or series'.

I'd imagine the Canucks thought process is they want tpo add size and strength and they will do so I guarantee it, but as I stated. You have to start somewhere, and skill sure as hell isn't a bad place to start!

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1 22 22 VAN JORDAN SCHROEDER Sep 29, 1990 BURNSVILLE, MN US 5' 8" 175 WCHA U OF MINNESOTA C
2 23 53 VAN ANTON RODIN Nov 21, 1990 STOCKHOLM SE 5' 11" 174 SWE-JR. BRYNAS JR. RW/LW
3 22 83 VAN KEVIN CONNAUTON Feb 23, 1990 EDMONTON, AB CA 6' 1" 185 CCHA WESTERN MICH. D
4 22 113 VAN JEREMY PRICE Sep 26, 1990 MILTON, ON CA 6' 1" 175 CJHL NEPEAN D
5 22 143 VAN PETER ANDERSSON Apr 13, 1991 KVIDINGE SE 6' 3" 194 SWE-JR. FROLUNDA JR. D
6 22 173 VAN JOE CANNATA Jan 2, 1990 WAKEFIELD, MA US 6' 1" 200 H-EAST MERRIMACK G
7 6 187 VAN STEVEN ANTHONY Mar 21, 1991 HALIFAX, NS CA 6' 1" 205 QMJHL SAINT JOHN LW


Dont worry about size.....Soon hitting will be removed from the game and our guys will be so fast and skilled that the bigger teams wont be able to catch us anyhow!!

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06-27-2009, 03:21 PM
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Where was Kane the rest of the series? The Canucks got collectively beat as a team by being Physically dominated and worn down by a bigger..more physical Hawks team.

In fact you could make a strong argument that these were the Hawk players who actually did kill us.....

22 Troy Brouwer 6' 2" 213 Aug 17, 1985 23 Vancouver, BC, CAN
37 Adam Burish 6' 1" 200 Jan 6, 1983 26 Madison, WI, USA
33 Dustin Byfuglien 6' 3" 247 Mar 27, 1985 24 Minneapolis, MN, USA
55 Ben Eager 6' 2" 220 Jan 22, 1984 25 Ottawa, ON, CAN
16 Andrew Ladd 6' 2" 198 Dec 12, 1985 23 Maple Ridge, BC, CAN
2 Duncan Keith "A" 6' 1" 194 Jul 16, 1983 25 Winnipeg, MB, CAN
7 Brent Seabrook 6' 3" 220 Apr 20, 1985 24 Richmond, BC, CAN

Take a good hard look at the average size of that group!!!
Hmmm...

18 Steve Bernier 6' 2" 225
24 Darcy Hordichuk 6' 1" 215
17 Ryan Kesler "A" 6' 2" 205
9 Taylor Pyatt 6' 4" 230
13 Mats Sundin 6' 5" 231
55 Shane O'Brien 6' 3" 224
2 Mattias Ohlund "A" 6' 3" 220

I think we can conclude that size wasn't the difference.

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06-27-2009, 03:26 PM
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Hmmm...

18 Steve Bernier 6' 2" 225 Hit Who?
24 Darcy Hordichuk 6' 1" 215 played physical and critisized for bad penalties
17 Ryan Kesler "A" 6' 2" 205 played physical and critisized for bad penalties
9 Taylor Pyatt 6' 4" 230 Hit Who?
13 Mats Sundin 6' 5" 231 Hit Who?
55 Shane O'Brien 6' 3" 224 played physical and critisized for bad penalties
2 Mattias Ohlund "A" 6' 3" 220 Hit Who?


I think we can't conclude that size wasn't the difference.
Whats the point of having big players, if they are going to play like they are 5'8"????

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06-27-2009, 03:28 PM
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Whats the point of having big players, if they are going to play like they are 5'8"????
so then it's really not about the size, its about how physical they are.

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We lost the Chicago series because of a lack of skill and clutch goal scoring.

Now we're stockpiling skill and yet someone is complaining...I swear it wouldn't matter what we did, some people would complain regardless.

Finally we have a GM who realizes that in the new NHL skill is key to being successful.

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As for the actual topic, I just don't think size is as big a concern as it once used to be and if Gillis believed that he was the BAP than it was the right choice. It's not like these players are unmovable down the road for some size if necessary. Teams do need skill and if we have an abundance of it...


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Another solid post from the useless machine. I'm pretty sure KP is just a script being run as an experiment to see if the internet can be over flooded with nothingness.
It's 2009. I'm pretty sure we've concluded that yes, yes it can.

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Whats the point of having big players, if they are going to play like they are 5'8"????
Okay that's enough. When I read that you don't think Bernier really hit anyone that really sent out red flags that you have no clue what you are talking about. Steve Bernier was one of the leaders on this team in hits in both the regular season and playoffs. IIRC, he led the team in hits in the regular season.

Stop being so damn pessimistic and complaining about everything, even things which are really not big issues. Yes I realize our top 6 has a lack of grit in it; however, there are different avenues we can take to address that. You don't pass up on guys like Hodgson and Schroeder because you prefer a big player who may be less talented.

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Back on topic.

Would Linus Omark be a fair comparison to Anton Rodin? From what I've read it seems like they're similar....

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Stop being so damn pessimistic and complaining about everything, even things which are really not big issues.
You know you're on the wrong side of an argument when even The_Pauser is saying things like this.

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Yes I realize our top 6 has a lack of grit in it; however, there are different avenues we can take to address that.
The only place you get top 6 forwards with size, skill and grit is through the draft.

Only in your imagination do trades involving top 6 forwards with size, skill and grit happen

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Okay that's enough. When I read that you don't think Bernier really hit anyone that really sent out red flags that you have no clue what you are talking about. Steve Bernier was one of the leaders on this team in hits in both the regular season and playoffs. IIRC, he led the team in hits in the regular season.

Stop being so damn pessimistic and complaining about everything, even things which are really not big issues. Yes I realize our top 6 has a lack of grit in it; however, there are different avenues we can take to address that. You don't pass up on guys like Hodgson and Schroeder because you prefer a big player who may be less talented.
I like the Hodson and Shroeder picks.....Would have liked to see more size in the lower rounds...I am not sold that speed and skill mean everything in the league. There is nothing pessomistic about it at all.

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LMG, why can't you ever be satisfied with anything here? Who would've you preferred? He was obviously the best pick available? Honestly, this should be a no brainer for every Canuck fan on this site.
Its like everyone takes an imprecise image of my argument and then attempts to dissemble it.

I like Schroeder as a pick, my concern is with overall trends.

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You know you're on the wrong side of an argument when even The_Pauser is saying things like this.
Nice that you took the oppourtunity to be-little the both of us in one post....I actually have alot of respect for the things pauser has to say in here.

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The only place you get top 6 forwards with size, skill and grit is through the draft.

Only in your imagination do trades involving top 6 forwards with size, skill and grit get traded.
So I guess I imagined the Steve Bernier trade?

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I like the Hodson and Shroeder picks.....Would have liked to see more size in the lower rounds...I am not sold that speed and skill mean everything in the league. There is nothing pessomistic about it at all.
How would your draft have gone then???

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So I guess I imagined the Steve Bernier trade?
Bernier is a top 6 forward??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????

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Bernier is a top 6 forward??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????
Drafted mid-1st round. Only 23 and is a power forward. Started off on the top line and does have potential.

How many top 6 forwards did we pass up in this draft in rounds 2-7? And I'm talking about guys who can step into our top 6 right away, not guys with potential to be top 6 forwards because based on your comment potential means nothing.

So....

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How would your draft have gone then???
I would have added more size in my lower round picks. Bigger players who dont turn out to be point producers, can still play an important role on a hockey team. When you draft a small guy and he does not turn out to be strong offensively he turns into a wasted pick.

How many smallish players who cant score, remain in the league as shut down specialists? Or energy role players on the 3rd or 4th line?

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I would have added more size in my lower round picks. Bigger players who dont trun out to be point producers can still play an important role on a hockey team. When you draft a small guy and he does not turn out to be strong offensively he turns into a wasted pick.

How many smallish players who cant score, remain in the league as shut down specialists? Or energy role players on the 3rd or 4th line?
It's one thing to say it, it's another to do it. Let's see names please.

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Its like everyone takes an imprecise image of my argument and then attempts to dissemble it.

I like Schroeder as a pick, my concern is with overall trends.
What trend is that we picked a far superior skilled forwards in Hodgson vs Beach and Schroeder vs Ashton.

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What trend is that we picked a far superior skilled forwards in Hodgson vs Beach and Schroeder vs Ashton.
No wonder Im arguing so much! I never realized the draft was only 1 round deep!

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