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06-27-2009, 02:50 PM
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The more I think about it, I wouldn't be opposed to spending over 6 M$ on the 3 pairing, if Jones was worth his pricetag.

People tend to get obsessed with balance. A place for everything and everything in its place, promised land here we come. It'd be interesting to deal with the weaknesses and see how the strengths pan out.

IF Jones was worth it...

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Our scoring depth was overrated in many ways. Our team was pathetic at ES. How does scoring depth help us when we look bad on ES??? Our PP as it is now looks like this.

Gagne-Richards-Briere
Pronger-Carle

Hartnell-Carter-Giroux
Timonen-Coburn

Thats AWESOME.

We will still get points during the PP. Hopefully we also grab a defensive C who can win faceoffs and play PK.

I think the re-arrangement of the defense and the puckmovers we have on the back-end will only help the forwards. Having Briere and Giroux around all season is a good thing, and JVR is available if we need him. I am very happy with this team. My concerns now rest on Ray Emery and injuries. We should expect to see much better puck movement on the back end.
How is Pronger on the powerplay? I wouldnt be surprised if Richards ends up playing the point again on the powerplay.

The team still doesnt have a natural right winger on the team. I think Giroux and Briere can play there just fine, but I think they are best suited as centers. I think Giroux could play center and Carter move over.

Jones has to go. No third line defenseman should be making close to 3 mil.

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06-27-2009, 03:37 PM
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How is Pronger on the powerplay? I wouldnt be surprised if Richards ends up playing the point again on the powerplay.

The team still doesnt have a natural right winger on the team. I think Giroux and Briere can play there just fine, but I think they are best suited as centers. I think Giroux could play center and Carter move over.

Jones has to go. No third line defenseman should be making close to 3 mil.
Giroux was drafted as a RW. He came up as a RW. Stevens moved him to C. Also, if he is with Harts and Carts, then he can float a bit, as Harts slides to the right frequently.

Briere can play RW on top line. Asham can play RW on 3rd line. 4th line is irrelevant, haha.

Pronger is a beast on the PP. He had more points this season then Timonen! Not to mention Pronger has a sick slapshot from the point.

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06-27-2009, 04:50 PM
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Giroux was drafted as a RW. He came up as a RW. Stevens moved him to C. Also, if he is with Harts and Carts, then he can float a bit, as Harts slides to the right frequently.

Briere can play RW on top line. Asham can play RW on 3rd line. 4th line is irrelevant, haha.

Pronger is a beast on the PP. He had more points this season then Timonen! Not to mention Pronger has a sick slapshot from the point.
Stevens didnt move him to center. He was moved to center by his junior coach

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06-27-2009, 04:57 PM
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Do you think we'll ever see the french connection?

I think something like this would be fatal on the powerplay:

gagne - briere - giroux
richards - pronger

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The team still doesnt have a natural right winger on the team. I think Giroux and Briere can play there just fine, but I think they are best suited as centers. I think Giroux could play center and Carter move over.
Giroux is a winger and Carter needs to stay at center. No way I want Giroux going up against Malkin.

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Haha I hope we see the french connection at times. Briere and Giroux are both scary smart, they need to play together. And wasn't Gagne a big reason Briere signed here? He said he wanted to play with Simon. Somehow it still hasn't happened.

I hope Knuble stays....

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Haha I hope we see the french connection at times. Briere and Giroux are both scary smart, they need to play together. And wasn't Gagne a big reason Briere signed here? He said he wanted to play with Simon. Somehow it still hasn't happened.

I hope Knuble stays....
Well one season Gagne was out and the next Briere was out.

That may be why they havent played much together.

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Stevens didnt move him to center. He was moved to center by his junior coach
Giroux is still an NHL winger.

He can take some draws in a 3rd line role, but he is better off on the RW in the top 6.

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Well one season Gagne was out and the next Briere was out.

That may be why they havent played much together.
Lol. Yep, I know.

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Lol. Yep, I know.
I forgot my winking emoticon.

haha, i dont want to come off like i was correcting you, haha


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I forgot my winking emoticon.

haha, i dont want to come off like i was correcting you, haha

i was gonna be a smart ass at first, but decided against it. haha!


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Giroux is still an NHL winger.

He can take some draws in a 3rd line role, but he is better off on the RW in the top 6.
Stevens said yesterday that he likes Giroux at centre with Briere on the wing. I think we should start getting used to the idea of the captain and PPG scorer playing the third line shutdown role with crappy wingers.

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Stevens said yesterday that he likes Giroux at centre with Briere on the wing. I think we should start getting used to the idea of the captain and PPG scorer playing the third line shutdown role with crappy wingers.
Gagne-Giroux-Briere
Hartnell-Carter-Nodl
Powe-Richards-Asham
Carcillo-Matsumoto-Ross

???

I doubt it, but I guess it's possible. The top line has zero size though.

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06-27-2009, 08:58 PM
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Stevens said yesterday that he likes Giroux at centre with Briere on the wing. I think we should start getting used to the idea of the captain and PPG scorer playing the third line shutdown role with crappy wingers.
if that's the way it goes, then oh well. powe and richards do work well together. if richards playing 3rd line shutdown/pp/sh makes us a better team, i'm all for it. he's gonna have to work on those faceoffs, but if he commits to it that won't be a problem.

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i know they are old, but would there be any interest in m. sillinger, b. shanahan(assuming knuble leaves) and/or c. chelios as a 7th dman? only if the accept the league minimum or somewhere close

gagne richards giroux
hartnell carter briere
shanahan sillinger nodl(jvr, if he pulls a giroux and proves hes ready?)
carcillo powe asham

pronger coburn
timonen parent
carle fa/jones
chelios

emery
backlund/fa

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This isn't what I want to happen, but...if Stevens decides to reunite Kimmo and Coburn because of Pronger's presence on the 2nd pairing...I think you are going to see Carle playing with Pronger over Parent.

It would upset me, but I just have a feeling.

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This isn't what I want to happen, but...if Stevens decides to reunite Kimmo and Coburn because of Pronger's presence on the 2nd pairing...I think you are going to see Carle playing with Pronger over Parent.

It would upset me, but I just have a feeling.
I think that would be a better idea to be honest. I havent seen Pronger a lot in recent years but im pretty sure a big guy like that should stay shallow in situations where Malkin/Crosby are on etc. That to me means that Carle, who can join the rush, should be with him. Parent is more of a pure shutdown guy. Plus he is a rookie...

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Stevens said yesterday that he likes Giroux at centre with Briere on the wing. I think we should start getting used to the idea of the captain and PPG scorer playing the third line shutdown role with crappy wingers.
IMO, one of Carter, Richards, Giroux needs to be moved to wing unless JVR makes the team.

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Stevens said yesterday that he likes Giroux at centre with Briere on the wing. I think we should start getting used to the idea of the captain and PPG scorer playing the third line shutdown role with crappy wingers.
Or we will roll 3 good "pairings" on forward.

Gagne-Richards
Hartnell-Carter
Briere-Giroux

and fill the third slot with poop. Nodl/Carcillo/Asham/Powe

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Or we will roll 3 good "pairings" on forward.

Gagne-Richards
Hartnell-Carter
Briere-Giroux

and fill the third slot with poop. Nodl/Carcillo/Asham/Powe
I still want Knuble to be re-signed. Gagne-Richards-Knuble were one of the best defensive lines in the league - and with those other pairings, they shouldn't have to carry the entire offense.

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Yeah I want Knuble back aswell.

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I still want Knuble to be re-signed. Gagne-Richards-Knuble were one of the best defensive lines in the league - and with those other pairings, they shouldn't have to carry the entire offense.
Eh, what league are you watching?

Seriously though, Richards (almost a Selke trophy winner) was -1 over the past 26 games of the season after his +5 game against Buffalo on Feb. 19.

Gagne was a -2 over the same period.

Knuble was a +1.

Keep in mind that Gagne and Richards were around +22 over the first 50 games of the year or so, I forget when that line formed exactly, so obviously, there was a big downgrade in their ES level of play and I personally have never been a huge fan of that line, I don't like Knuble playing 1st line ES minutes.

I'd personally throw Gagne-Richards-Giroux together as a high-speed offensive line that can also shut you down and then Hartnell-Carter-Briere together as more of a straight scoring line and see how Briere does defensively as a wing.

Then resign Knuble, try like crazy to sign Malhotra (sacrificing Jones and Carle if you have to) and build a grind line around Knuble and Malhotra.

Gagne-Richards-Giroux
Harts-Carts-Briere
XXXX-Malhotra-Knuble
Carcillo-XXX-XXX

Maybe put Powe at the 3rd line LW?


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+/- does not equal defence. on a site I saw earlier that does more advanced defensive calculations Gagne, Richards and Knuble were all in the top 30

and we traded lupul

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Eh, what league are you watching?

Seriously though, Richards (almost a Selke trophy winner) was -1 over the past 26 games of the season after his +5 game against Buffalo on Feb. 19.

Gagne was a -2 over the same period.

Knuble was a +1.

Keep in mind that Gagne and Richards were around +22 over the first 50 games of the year or so, I forget when that line formed exactly, so obviously, there was a big downgrade in their ES level of play and I personally have never been a huge fan of that line, I don't like Knuble playing 1st line ES minutes.

I'd personally throw Gagne-Richards-Giroux together as a high-speed offensive line that can also shut you down and then Hartnell-Carter-Briere together as more of a straight scoring line and see how Briere does defensively as a wing.

Then resign Knuble, try like crazy to sign Malhotra (sacrificing Jones and Carle if you have to) and build a grind line around Knuble and Malhotra.

Gagne-Richards-Giroux
Harts-Carts-Lupes
XXXX-Malhotra-Knuble
Carcillo-XXX-XXX

Maybe put Powe at the 3rd line LW?
I am assuming you meant Briere instead of Lupes on that 2nd line

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