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Bolland Re-signs 5 year Deal

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06-29-2009, 07:11 PM
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I've seen almost every game Bolland has played in the NHL, and I am really happy with this contract as a Hawks fan. Who exactly would we get to play second line center that would be better and cheaper? Bolland only has like 100 NHL games under his belt and he is already one of our go-to guys, especially in shutdown situations. He is just starting to get some 2nd unit PP time and is starting to do well there too.

I would love to hear what you critics would suggest that is a better option for Chicago than signing Bolland at this price as a second line center.
the better option is to do what we used to do, offer him a 1-2 year contract at a minimal raise. That is the contract where he has to prove consistency and it was also the contract where he would provide the most bang for the buck. After that, if he had proven himself, he could move on to big boy money.

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06-29-2009, 07:12 PM
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He seems a little overpaid as of now, but if he develops even further, this contract could be a bargain, considering its length.

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06-29-2009, 07:13 PM
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if the canes had signed him off the hawks to this amount, idve been pumped. its a little high but he is a top young player for them. one article i read about him mentioned that there may have been some offer sheet interest in bolland out there. this is likely cheaper than that wouldve been.

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06-29-2009, 07:16 PM
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i'm not sure if it was lowe who did it or even wang with the Dipi contract or that it just happened gradually over time, but Burke was right about the impact this had.

There used to be a definite salary structure in the NHL. Players had to earn the right to get big-money contracts. Now, with a lower UFA age and the threat of offersheets, the second contract is gone. Once one GM offers big money on a second contract, all of a sudden other players have comparables that they can look at, and it just spiralled out of control from there.
In 2005, a certain player got a 27mil/5y(5.4mil) contract after their ELC, and only played 2 years in the NHL(lockout), while having a career high 57 points. Im almost 100% certain that contract had a bigger negative effect then Lowe's offersheet.

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Good signing by Hawks, he is going to be great, but what about toews and kanes contracts!?!

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Too much RIGHT NOW... by year 3-5 of that contract it'll be good value

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What kind of numbers are they going to expect Bolland to put up?

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What kind of numbers are they going to expect Bolland to put up?
over 9 thousand

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In 2005, a certain player got a 27mil/5y(5.4mil) contract after their ELC, and only played 2 years in the NHL(lockout), while having a career high 57 points. Im almost 100% certain that contract had a bigger negative effect then Lowe's offersheet.
you're blaming the rocket richard winner?
exceptions can be made for exeptional talents. I wouldnt argue that there were problems with Crosby's, Ovechkin's, or Malkin's 2nd contracts. It's the middle of the pack guys that trouble me and the GMs.

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In 2005, a certain player got a 27mil/5y(5.4mil) contract after their ELC, and only played 2 years in the NHL(lockout), while having a career high 57 points. Im almost 100% certain that contract had a bigger negative effect then Lowe's offersheet.
I am drawing a blank. Who got this?

Edit: Rick Nash, got it

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I am drawing a blank. Who got this?
it's an easy one. My post above yours gave another clue.

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What kind of numbers are they going to expect Bolland to put up?

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In 2005, a certain player got a 27mil/5y(5.4mil) contract after their ELC, and only played 2 years in the NHL(lockout), while having a career high 57 points. Im almost 100% certain that contract had a bigger negative effect then Lowe's offersheet.
No offence but Rick Nash is a dumb example.

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06-29-2009, 07:42 PM
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you're blaming the rocket richard winner?
exceptions can be made for exeptional talents. I wouldnt argue that there were problems with Crosby's, Ovechkin's, or Malkin's 2nd contracts. It's the middle of the pack guys that trouble me and the GMs.
I'm not blaming him, I'm blaming their GM for kickstarting the no 2nd contract.

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In 2005, a certain player got a 27mil/5y(5.4mil) contract after their ELC, and only played 2 years in the NHL(lockout), while having a career high 57 points. Im almost 100% certain that contract had a bigger negative effect then Lowe's offersheet.
that GM is no longer employed by any team in this league

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06-29-2009, 07:55 PM
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Mike Fisher = 4.2/season

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06-29-2009, 07:57 PM
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That is a little better then originally reported.

Still about 600k more then I would have thought would be highest he would get

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06-29-2009, 08:06 PM
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The dismantling of the Blackhawks has now begun.

So long Havlat
Buh Bye Khabby
See ya Kaner.

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Beats the $3.6mm that was originally reported. I guess I can live with this now.

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06-29-2009, 08:17 PM
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the better option is to do what we used to do, offer him a 1-2 year contract at a minimal raise. That is the contract where he has to prove consistency and it was also the contract where he would provide the most bang for the buck. After that, if he had proven himself, he could move on to big boy money.
If you wait until guys have "proven" themselves, you end up with a few highly paid proven players and don't have cap money to sign good secondary players. You have to depend on your management team to evaluate your young guys properly and lock up core young players before they break out. If you wait for them to break out, you won't be able to build an elite team. Bolland will be one of the better 2nd line centers in the NHL in a few years IMO. Scotty Bowman and the rest of management agrees with this, which is why they locked him up.

You won't find many, if any, Hawks fans that are unhappy about this signing, even though we are worried about our cap over the next few years. After Toews, Keith, Seabrook, and Kane, Bolland is probably our next most important player over the long term.

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06-29-2009, 08:39 PM
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The dismantling of the Blackhawks has now begun.

So long Havlat
Buh Bye Khabby
See ya Kaner.
You sir...are a hammerhead. Just by letting Havlat and Khabibulin go, we're about 12 million lighter than we were last year. Khabibulin wasn't coming back anyway...and we're lucky we got a single healthy season out of Havlat. If you told me anyone was even expecting THAT...you're crazy.

As for our RFA's, I would like for you to give me YOUR numbers on what you think each of the following will command when it's time to re-up them:

Kane
Toews
Barker
Keith
Versteeg

The reason is...with a cap in place...I don't see anyone in the league going out of their way to over pay them.

After you figure out what they'll command in salary, I would like youto to show what the compensation would be from another team if we chose not to match.

Even if there are a couple guys we can't sign...they're going to command some $$$'s...and I'm not sure they're the type of players that most organizations are going to be willing to pursue when you consider not only are they going to be eating up their OWN cap space, but giving up primo picks to do so in the process.

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The dismantling of the Blackhawks has now begun.

So long Havlat
Buh Bye Khabby
See ya Kaner.
LOL


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Well, it's a bit of a relief I guess

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As the Hawks let supporting pieces of their team leave (Havlat) to remain under the cap, Kane, Toews, Bolland, and Keith/Seabrook will continue to get better. It'll offset. This is a good deal.

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Brian Burke was 100% correct on this issue.
I disagree. The CBA was negotiated by people other than Lowe. Lowe was the first to figure out that a RFA offer was possible under the new CBA. Bolland is signed to that deal because it would have cost only a 2nd rounder to sign him for 3.1 million as a RFA.

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