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06-29-2009, 05:43 PM
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Any thoughts here about "taking a flyer on this guy" (Steve Eminger)? Haven't really followed his career.
He was a12th overall pick in 2002 by the Capitals but has never lived up to his promise. His defensive play has not been all that good - mind you he was on some godawful Caps teams early in his career.

Here is his movement:
Mar 4, 2009: Tampa Bay Lightning traded Steve Eminger to the Florida Panthers for Noah Welch and a future 3rd round selection.

Nov 7, 2008: Tampa Bay Lightning traded Matt Carle and a 3rd round draft pick in 2009 (San Jose) to the Philadelphia Flyers for Steve Eminger, Steve Downie and a 4th round draft pick in 2009.

Jun 20, 2008: Washington Capitals traded Steve Eminger and a 3rd round selection in 2008 to the Philadelphia Flyers for a 1st round selections in 2008.

Jun 22, 2002: Drafted by the Washington Capitals in the 1st round (12th overall) in 2002 and played as 18 year old in 17 NHL games before going to the Canadian National juniors and then back to junior for the rest of the season.

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"Unrealized potential" is probably the best description.

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06-29-2009, 05:51 PM
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"Unrealized potential" is probably the best description.
Sounds like Gillis' next project.

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06-29-2009, 05:52 PM
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Just to add to Wet's monitoring of RFA action:

Sharks cut Goc, Plihal, Kaspar.

They offered QOs to Thomas Greiss ,Ryane Clowe, Torrey Mitchell and Brad Staubitz.

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06-29-2009, 06:32 PM
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Contrary to earlier reports Burke has decided to qualify Pogge.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/...s_pogge_offer/

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06-29-2009, 06:36 PM
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Just to add to Wet's monitoring of RFA action:

Sharks cut Goc, Plihal, Kaspar.

They offered QOs to Thomas Greiss ,Ryane Clowe, Torrey Mitchell and Brad Staubitz.
Marcel Goc - there is a potential second line centre with great speed and pretty good size. 1st round (20th overall) in 2001 by the Sharks.

The red flag is that he had had some back problems in the past.

He does have some good offensive upside.

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06-29-2009, 06:39 PM
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Marcel Goc - there is a potential second line centre with great speed and pretty good size. 1st round (20th overall) in 2001 by the Sharks.

The red flag is that he had had some back problems in the past.

He does have some good offensive upside.
Are you thinking of the right player? Goc has 20 goals in 265 games. He's an alright fourth line centre but his career has shown no real offensive upside.

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06-29-2009, 06:40 PM
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The Capitals:

QO's to forwards Eric Fehr and Boyd Gordon, defensemen Milan Jurcina, Shaone Morrisonn and Jeff Schultz and prospects Chris Bourque, Kyle Wilson and Steve Pinizzotto

No QO's to Andrew Joudrey, Daren Machesney, Travis Morin and Sasha Pokulok.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cap...ng-offers.html

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06-29-2009, 06:43 PM
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Are you thinking of the right player? Goc has 20 goals in 265 games. He's an alright fourth line centre but his career has shown no real offensive upside.
Goc has some offensive upside - in San Jose he has not had all that much chance to show it given their twin towers at centre.

He has some creativity to his offensive game from what I have seen.

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06-29-2009, 06:47 PM
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Certainly some interesting names floating around :

Bell
Eminger
Tollefsen
Woywitka

Thorburn
McCormick
Stewart
Fritsche
Sjostrom
Goc

Brendan Bell (21 points in 53 games for Ottawa last year, skill puck-moving defender) and Anthony Stewart (6'2" 240, 2003 #1 pick who played 60 games for Florida last year) are two that stand out and would fit Canuck team needs for skill defenders and big forwards, respectively. Eminger as well.

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06-29-2009, 06:50 PM
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What? So you all of a sudden know my thoughts and conclude that I don't think that?

I have stated this well before Gallagher even came out with his article...I don't think it's hard to figure out that an offersheet to Hansen is likely.
No, I'm just sick of reading you pass off stuff from the press as your own deep thinking. I agree with Gallagher (and you), I think it will happen, just sayin'.

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06-29-2009, 06:54 PM
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Tollefsen would probably be useful as a cheap depth defender too (like a Rob Davison type).

What happened to Stewart? It looks like his development stalled in Junior and he really didn't even do anything at the AHL level.

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06-29-2009, 07:00 PM
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Tollefsen would probably be useful as a cheap depth defender too (like a Rob Davison type).
Yeah, the defenders are the most interesting.

We only have 5 guys under contract with Ohlund, Vaananen, and Davison being UFAs and no prospects even remotely ready to step into the lineup, so assuming that we sign one 'significant' defender to replace Ohlund we'll still have to re-stock the #7-8 positions on the depth chart, assuming we don't bring back Vaananen. The Bells and Tollefsens are likely guys to fill those spots.

Actually, the #9-10 positions will need re-stocking as well since Baumgartner is a UFA and Heshka was dealt to Calgary.

Stewart's skill didn't develop but he's still a big depth body who skates pretty well, is built like a truck, and was amongst Florida's hit leaders/minutes played last year. Would be a decent 13th-14th forward to have around. With a young guy like that, you hope he develops late and maybe you get a signing like St. Louis got with Brad Winchester last year who was in a similar position (non-qualified RFA) and scored 13 goals for them and added a nice physical dimension.

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06-29-2009, 07:18 PM
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Tollefsen would probably be useful as a cheap depth defender too (like a Rob Davison type).

What happened to Stewart? It looks like his development stalled in Junior and he really didn't even do anything at the AHL level.
Shows that having a successful WJC (2004) does not make you a surefire NHLer.

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06-29-2009, 07:23 PM
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A little slow on the press release from the Canucks, wonder if something interesting happened.

Stewart's interesting but we already have plenty of candidates for the lower lines, and I'd rather see a guy like Desbiens get a shot at the #13/14 job. At least his development has been headed in the right direction, and he's not likely to complain about sitting a lot.

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Certainly some interesting names floating around :

Bell
Eminger
Tollefsen
Woywitka

Thorburn
McCormick
Stewart
Fritsche
Sjostrom
Goc

Brendan Bell (21 points in 53 games for Ottawa last year, skill puck-moving defender) and Anthony Stewart (6'2" 240, 2003 #1 pick who played 60 games for Florida last year) are two that stand out and would fit Canuck team needs for skill defenders and big forwards, respectively. Eminger as well.
Stewart would be really interesting if we didn't have such a logjam of NHL level depth that cannot be waived.

I would probably roll the dice if I was Gillis a lot could happen in the off season. Then again, people would probably just find a new whipping boy in him.

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06-29-2009, 08:04 PM
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No, I'm just sick of reading you pass off stuff from the press as your own deep thinking. I agree with Gallagher (and you), I think it will happen, just sayin'.
So somehow I hacked into Gallagher's brain and through premonition foresaw that he was going to write that article and ended up posting that before he wrote the article? Is that what you're claiming?

I'm just sick of you ragging on me for everything so please get your facts straight before you go off accusing me of something, mmmkay?

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Certainly some interesting names floating around :

Bell
Eminger
Tollefsen
Woywitka

Thorburn
McCormick
Stewart
Fritsche
Sjostrom
Goc

Brendan Bell (21 points in 53 games for Ottawa last year, skill puck-moving defender) and Anthony Stewart (6'2" 240, 2003 #1 pick who played 60 games for Florida last year) are two that stand out and would fit Canuck team needs for skill defenders and big forwards, respectively. Eminger as well.
Ya, I'm particularly interested in Eminger, I'm surprised he wasn't qualified. Man did he ever get bounced around this past year, that couldn't have helped his performance. Could be a good back up option for a PP quarterback on our 2nd unit PP.


Stewart I would be curious about as well but only on a two way deal. Even when he was drafted I had serious doubts about him and it doesn't look like he's done anything significant at any pro level. One of the weakest picks in that years very strong first round.

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06-29-2009, 08:36 PM
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Stewart is a proven bust.

He just doesn't have it.

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Yeah, I'd much rather sign Woywitka as a 6th/7th guy. He's reliable in his own zone.

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06-29-2009, 08:47 PM
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Ya, I'm particularly interested in Eminger, I'm surprised he wasn't qualified. Man did he ever get bounced around this past year, that couldn't have helped his performance. Could be a good back up option for a PP quarterback on our 2nd unit PP.


Stewart I would be curious about as well but only on a two way deal. Even when he was drafted I had serious doubts about him and it doesn't look like he's done anything significant at any pro level. One of the weakest picks in that years very strong first round.
Of course a two-way deal for Stewart. But he's still a guy who was a regular for the most part on a pretty decent Florida team last year, and throws his body around. For people worried about organizational size, this is the sort of guy worth taking a chance on. It isn't that much of a stretch to think that he could develop into a guy who scores 8-10 goals along with 150-180 hits in a season.

I'd actually have a bit more interest in Bell than Eminger - Eminger is a bit better player, but will probably get at least $1.5 million next year ... Florida only didn't qualify him because they were worried he'd get a big arbitration award.

Bell is a guy who could be signed near the league minimum and isn't much off Eminger as a player. Good puck mover who played regularly for the Sens after being called up in late November and scored at about a 0.5 points/game pace over his last 40 games after settling in. Would be a pretty good #7 defender for this club, and IMO brings more to the table than guys like Vaananen/Davison.

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Agree, Bell would be an ideal #7 d-man. He'd be great cover for Salo's PP minutes when Salo gets his inevitable yearly injury.

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Bell is a guy who could be signed near the league minimum and isn't much off Eminger as a player. Good puck mover who played regularly for the Sens after being called up in late November and scored at about a 0.5 points/game pace over his last 40 games after settling in. Would be a pretty good #7 defender for this club, and IMO brings more to the table than guys like Vaananen/Davison.
Ottawa fans seemed to have good things to say about him.

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Of course a two-way deal for Stewart. But he's still a guy who was a regular for the most part on a pretty decent Florida team last year, and throws his body around. For people worried about organizational size, this is the sort of guy worth taking a chance on. It isn't that much of a stretch to think that he could develop into a guy who scores 8-10 goals along with 150-180 hits in a season.

I'd actually have a bit more interest in Bell than Eminger - Eminger is a bit better player, but will probably get at least $1.5 million next year ... Florida only didn't qualify him because they were worried he'd get a big arbitration award.

Bell is a guy who could be signed near the league minimum and isn't much off Eminger as a player. Good puck mover who played regularly for the Sens after being called up in late November and scored at about a 0.5 points/game pace over his last 40 games after settling in. Would be a pretty good #7 defender for this club, and IMO brings more to the table than guys like Vaananen/Davison.
I suppose as far as cap management goes, Bell may be the better fit but it appears we're on the outs for players like Bouwmeester and Niedermayer. Eminger may end up being our best option barring a trade for a decent puck moving Dman and from what I've seen, (admittedly not enough for a really educated opinion but that hasn't stopped anyone else) Eminger seems to be more skilled and potentially could even move up on the depth chart.

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I suppose as far as cap management goes, Bell may be the better fit but it appears we're on the outs for players like Bouwmeester and Niedermayer. Eminger may end up being our best option barring a trade for a decent puck moving Dman and from what I've seen, (admittedly not enough for a really educated opinion but that hasn't stopped anyone else) Eminger seems to be more skilled and potentially could even move up on the depth chart.
If we're left in a position where we're replacing Mattias Ohlund with Steve Eminger, this has not been a good offseason and our blueline has taken a major step backward.

Eminger is a serviceable #6 defender, but to expect to contend for a division title with a player like this playing 20 minutes/night is unrealistic.

If we lose Ohlund and are out of the Niedermanyer/Bouwmeester sweepstakes, you'd at least hope we bring in a solid 10-year vet capable of playing 20 minutes/game of reliable hockey like a Derek Morris or Karlis Skrastins. Or make a trade.

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Erik Christensen wasn't qualified either. He only made $750,000 last season so his qualifying offer wouldn't be huge. The Canucks don't really need him but he'd be a decent complementary scoring line player/shootout specialist for a team lacking depth.

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