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06-29-2009, 01:25 PM
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I'd so move MacArthur into Hecht's spot and slide the other two left wings down one line.

Josh, I'm with you, I think Kaleta has some untapped offensive potential and with the right center can score 10+ goals this year. That said, I'm not ready to hand him that spot quite yet.
I wouldn't extend the contract with CMac, I'd rather see him leaving the sabres. With Kennedy and Gerbe, we've got two solid rookies. I expect one of them getting a full time roster spot, next year.

But I agree on your opinion about Kaleta. I can see him scoring 10 + goals too, but Kaleta will never be a top 6 Player. This is the difference between Kaleta and Kassian, because Kassian has much more offensively talent than Pat.

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Comments from Regier on WGR this morning in terms of a comparison between Bertuzzi and Kassian.

For starters he stated his standard reply that he hates player comparisons (Chain is that you?). But then added he was there (on the Island) when Bert was drafted.

He feels Kassian is tougher than Bert but Bert had better hands.
Bert was a big floater in the OHL though -- I hated him with the Storm and I was up there a lot at that time.

Kassian puts in a lot more effort night to night.

And yes, I'm really Darcy Regier.

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06-29-2009, 01:32 PM
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And yes, I'm really Darcy Regier.
Dude, get me a job. I'll scout around or whatever.

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I wouldn't extend the contract with CMac, I'd rather see him leaving the sabres. With Kennedy and Gerbe, we've got two solid rookies. I expect one of them getting a full time roster spot, next year.

But I agree on your opinion about Kaleta. I can see him scoring 10 + goals too, but Kaleta will never be a top 6 Player. This is the difference between Kaleta and Kassian, because Kassian has much more offensively talent than Pat.
Why would we move on from MacArthur for 2 kids who have proved nothing in the NHL ?

MacArthur is hopefully going into the "pommer" years, Id like to lock him up to a 2-3 year deal averaging around 1.3ish... and then get 20+ goal production for a few years on the cheap.

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06-29-2009, 03:54 PM
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Bert was a big floater in the OHL though -- I hated him with the Storm and I was up there a lot at that time.

Kassian puts in a lot more effort night to night.

And yes, I'm really Darcy Regier.
and at times that was a knock on him in the NHL.

I just forget sometimes about Regier's time on the Island. Thats what caught my attention.


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06-29-2009, 05:38 PM
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ISS considers him the most physically ready player in this draft. He has an excellent shot at playing for the Sabres next season. The scouts have nothing but good things to say about him. See http://www.andrewsstarspage.com/inde...ssian_profile/
What just popped into my head was if he's that ready to play at this level, how much pressure does taht put on Stafford to bring it every friggin' night?

If he's that ready, we may just be really happily surprised by his effect on the team. If he has a good set of camps, getting him a few games of NHL experience might be a good idea to see how he handles it.

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06-29-2009, 06:16 PM
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Realistically, would Kassian make the team though? They aren't exactly known for rushing their young players into the lineup fresh out of the draft. Darcy's MO has always appeared as the cautious 'proper' developmental route.

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06-29-2009, 06:21 PM
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Great pick for you guys. I was hoping we could trade up for a crack at him.

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06-29-2009, 11:30 PM
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Penalty Summary from http://bryanbryoil.blogspot.com/2009...k-kassian.html
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9 Lazy/Speed Related Penalties
2 Interference
1 hooking
3 tripping
2 holding
1 holding the stick

10 Boys Will Be Boys Penalties
3 unsportsmanlikes
2 game misconducts
3 10 minute misconducts
1 diving
1 Illegal stick

5 "Normal" Hockey Penalties
3 high sticking
2 goaltender interference

26 Physical Penalties

5 roughing
12 fighting
1 instigator
2 boarding
1 charging
2 crosschecking
1 elbowing
2 checking to the head

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06-30-2009, 06:37 AM
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The more I think about it, the more I start to love this pick even though I was obviously one of the most skeptical of him here leading up to the draft.

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06-30-2009, 07:41 AM
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Why would we move on from MacArthur for 2 kids who have proved nothing in the NHL ?

MacArthur is hopefully going into the "pommer" years, Id like to lock him up to a 2-3 year deal averaging around 1.3ish... and then get 20+ goal production for a few years on the cheap.
Because I don't want to give someone a top 6 spot who has shown nothing impressive so far. We know what we get in MacArthur and that's simply not a top 6 Player so I'd move him and give his spot into one of our young, talented forwards.

Clarke got his chance, but he didn't use it, imo.

He isn't a bottom 6 Player but he also di nothing impressive on his top 6 spot last year. Hes nearly as much scorer points than Paille. The difference between them is that Clarke was Playing on the top 6 the most time of the year, while Paille was a bottom 6 Player.

I wouldn't give Clarke a new contract, I'd rsther see what Gerbe can do on the second line. And if Gerbe sucks, we can always put Paille onto that spot. The first 6 games last year he's shown, that he could be a useful top 6 player.

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06-30-2009, 07:53 AM
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Because I don't want to give someone a top 6 spot who has shown nothing impressive so far. We know what we get in MacArthur and that's simply not a top 6 Player so I'd move him and give his spot into one of our young, talented forwards.

Clarke got his chance, but he didn't use it, imo.

He isn't a bottom 6 Player but he also di nothing impressive on his top 6 spot last year. Hes nearly as much scorer points than Paille. The difference between them is that Clarke was Playing on the top 6 the most time of the year, while Paille was a bottom 6 Player.

I wouldn't give Clarke a new contract, I'd rsther see what Gerbe can do on the second line. And if Gerbe sucks, we can always put Paille onto that spot. The first 6 games last year he's shown, that he could be a useful top 6 player.
I don't understand your hatred for CMac and the constant pimping of Paille. Both have had similar chances to perform and last year Paille decided he didn't want to play. CMac has outperformed him at every level of competition so don't let the 1st round monnikor fool you. As for Gerbe, he did absolutely nothing as a top 6 forward last year...he showed that his size really hampered him so unless he gained 5 inches and 30lbs in the off-season I would imagine that his size would continue to prove detrimental.

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I don't understand your hatred for CMac and the constant pimping of Paille. Both have had similar chances to perform and last year Paille decided he didn't want to play. CMac has outperformed him at every level of competition so don't let the 1st round monnikor fool you. As for Gerbe, he did absolutely nothing as a top 6 forward last year...he showed that his size really hampered him so unless he gained 5 inches and 30lbs in the off-season I would imagine that his size would continue to prove detrimental.
Pailles' self pity was very discouraging last year. I had high hopes for him turning into a Peca lite. Forget that notion. Personally, Paille was the was the biggest dissappointment last year.
Gerbe was overwhelmed and looked like a lost child last year. Willing to give him some slack and I know he has the desire to better himself. He has done nothing else in his life but perservere.
CMac....still undecided. Has flashes of potential and is more consistent than Paille. Has the offensive threat, but defense suspect.

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Interesting article in the Boston Globe on the much talked about Boston/Toronto deal that never happened:

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Kessel stays put for now
Bruins’ trade was lost in translation
By Kevin Paul Dupont

A swap of players. A swap of first-round picks. Deal done. Or so the Bruins believed. So much so, said one source, that they planned to select hard-rock winger Zack Kassian with the No. 7 pick.
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The Sabres, with the No. 13 pick, grabbed Kassian, who quickly could become Buffalo’s counterpunch, literally, to Boston’s Milan Lucic. The 6-foot-3-inch, 210-pound Kassian and the hulking Lucic, by all reports, are cut from the same bolt of canvas.
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/...lation/?page=1

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Interesting article in the Boston Globe on the much talked about Boston/Toronto deal that never happened:



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Thanks for the link.

After reading the article it sure seems like the Bruins are more than willing to lose Kessel.

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Thanks for the link.

After reading the article it sure seems like the Bruins are more than willing to lose Kessel.
The kid is a 22 year old 30+ goal scorer, and they're not doing everything in their power to retain him. There's definitely more to the situation than price, and it's no secret Boston has no reservation giving Kessel up.

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The kid is a 22 year old 30+ goal scorer, and they're not doing everything in their power to retain him. There's definitely more to the situation than price, and it's no secret Boston has no reservation giving Kessel up.

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I think its mostly price since the article points out they want him at Krejci money. But it seems as though Kessel's camp wants 5mil or more per.

I agree with the Bruins take on this. I think its a bad move to have lots of money tied up in a one dimensional goal scoring winger.

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The kid is a 22 year old 30+ goal scorer, and they're not doing everything in their power to retain him. There's definitely more to the situation than price, and it's no secret Boston has no reservation giving Kessel up.

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After reading 'Future Greats and Heartbreaks' by Gare Joyce it was made pretty clear that lots of people in and around the league have significant reservations about Kessel's character and personality. That could have something to do with it.

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Thanks for the link.

After reading the article it sure seems like the Bruins are more than willing to lose Kessel.
After reading that, they might be a destination for Hank.

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After reading that, they might be a destination for Hank.
Hank for Kessel?

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Hank for Kessel?

Git er done, Darcy!

I prefer shipping Hank out of the conference, personally.
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Really interesting breakdown. I LOL'd at him having not one but two goaltender interference penalties. I can't remember the last time a Sabres player was close enough to the goalie to get one of those.

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Swing back to the topic at hand -- it is nice to see a team that knows a few things about big, aggressive players wanting to land Kassian. Speaks well of him.

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Although not out of the conference, Tampa would prolly have a use for him.

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Really interesting breakdown. I LOL'd at him having not one but two goaltender interference penalties. I can't remember the last time a Sabres player was close enough to the goalie to get one of those.
Vanek, but I get what you're saying. We finally have a guy that will answer the bell if Miller gets ran over.

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