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06-30-2009, 01:48 PM
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Apparently Bertuzzi is an UFA...

He got around 45 points last season with the Flames in under 70 games...

He could come cheap and put up as many points as Feds... he still plays a mean and nasty game... his hands are still smooth and his skating is pretty good still... will be 34...

Watched him a lot last season and he was doing well, but hit a slump towards the end of the season...
Eh, Bertuzzi's been fighting injuries the last few seasons and he seems to prefer Western Canada. I'd reach out to him but nothing above one-year $2-2.15 M, too much risk of him missing significant time IMO.

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06-30-2009, 02:08 PM
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I think we can almost certainly pencil Lovejoy and Jeffrey onto this roster.

-Jeffrey on the fourth line at 0.504
-Lovejoy as the sixth or seventh defenseman at 1-1.2.

That would leave the Pens with about 3.87 left in cap space with a top six winger, backup goalie and another defenseman to sign.

-sign Curry for 0.6 per year over two years, and you're at about 3.27 remaining.
-sign Scuderi for 2.25, and then go cheap with a fringe second-third line forward who can move around the lines

That would leave 1.02 (roughly) to spend on a forward. Could be Wallace, Bissonnette, Minard or even a cheap UFA from out of house.
Trade Dupuis and then they've got enough money for a year of Fedotenko or similar!!!

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06-30-2009, 02:15 PM
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I'd love to see Pesonen getting a second shot!

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06-30-2009, 02:25 PM
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I'd love to see Pesonen getting a second shot!
That's not a terrible idea. I'm not sure he would want to come back here, though. I'm sure he thought he'd get a chance in the NHL last year and he never really got one. He came up and played on the 4th line. He's no grinder. MT just put him in position to fail basically since that isn't his game.

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06-30-2009, 02:35 PM
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I'd love to see Pesonen getting a second shot!
He never got a first shot!

I say sign Peso & stick him on the 4th line and if he starts to come on strong... give him a few games in the top 6 and see if it sticks.

Get Dupuis the hell out of here Shero...

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06-30-2009, 03:13 PM
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That's not a terrible idea. I'm not sure he would want to come back here, though. I'm sure he thought he'd get a chance in the NHL last year and he never really got one. He came up and played on the 4th line. He's no grinder. MT just put him in position to fail basically since that isn't his game.
From what I remember him saying, he sounds very interested in sticking around here at least for this season. This seemed to be his first option, which is nice to see that he's willing to work hard and put in his time to try to get his chance.

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06-30-2009, 04:13 PM
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I'd give Pesonen a second shot too. Even he's a bit soft(ish) player, but I think now that his wrist is probably fully recovered and he could shoot the puck with more strenght and with his vision and skills.. He would be a cheap option.

If somehow Tangradi gets his hand ok before camp and breaks into NHL straight up, I would like to see something like this:

Kunitz - Crosby - Guerin
Tangradi - Malkin - Pesonen/Kennedy/Talbot
Cooke - Staal - Talbot/Kennedy/Pesonen
Adams - Jeffrey? - Godard

I think this already would give us room for signing Scuderi + something (back-up goalie)?

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06-30-2009, 04:19 PM
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I believe a QO means an automatic 10% increase in pay. So the Pens will get him for at least .962 for 1 year unless he gets a better offer sheet from another team. Then the Pens would either have to match that offer or receive compensation in the form of a draft pick.
Yes, 10% raise because he made less than 660k last season. However as far as I know that QO is based on his last base salary, not his cap hit (which most likely included a signing bonus). Lovejoy earned $637,500 in 08-09 which would make the QO only $701,250.

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06-30-2009, 04:42 PM
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So in the unlikely event that the Pens re-sign Fedo, and one of Caputi/Tangradi force Bylsma to keep them up in the NHL, what do you think will happen to Talbot (assuming LC or ET play on Malkin's wing)? Will he go back to the 4th line like last year? Seems almost like a slap in the face after the post season he had. But you gotta give the youngsters a good opportunity to succeed, and surely they have more offensive potential than Max.

On the flip side, paying 2 forth liners over $1 mil per year isn't very wise.

Thoughts?

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06-30-2009, 05:31 PM
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Talbot will not play on the fourth line.

I'd actually like to try him with Crosby and Kunitz with Malkin, just because I think Malkin could use a guy like Kunitz who has a bit more offensive pop.

If Tangradi makes the team (which sounds like a fair possibility) I think it's likely he'd start on the third line. His size and physical game would allow him to do that

Talbot-Crosby-Guerin
Kunitz-Malkin-Kennedy
Cooke-Staal-Tangradi
Dupuis-Jeffrey-Adams

Extra: Godard

That's only 34.184 tied up in the forwards, and it puts your team number at 52.602.

It gives you 4.198 to invest in a sixth, seventh defenseman and a backup goalie.

Get Curry down for a 0.6 cap hit and you have 3.598 to spend on two defensemen.

Spend 2.5 cap hit on Scuderi. Sign Lovejoy for a 1.0 cap hit.

Talbot (1.05)-Crosby (8.7)-Guerin (2)
Kunitz(3.725)-Malkin (8.7)-Kennedy (0.725)
Cooke(1.2)-Staal (4)-Tangradi (0.875)
Dupuis (1.4)-Jeffrey(0.509)-Adams (0.55)

Orpik (3.75)-Gonchar (5)
Eaton (2)-Letang (0.835)
Goligoski (1.833)-Scuderi (2.5)

Fleury (5)
Curry (0.6)

Extras: Godard (0.75), Lovejoy (1)

Total is 56.667.

It would make things a ton easier if Tangradi, Caputi, or TK could play effectively in the top six.

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06-30-2009, 05:34 PM
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Putting Talbot on the first line is as bad as putting Dupuis there. I think a few too many people here are riding his game 7 a little too far, he's a 10 goal guy if he's lucky during the regular season, not a top 6 winger.

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06-30-2009, 05:49 PM
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Putting Talbot on the first line is as bad as putting Dupuis there. I think a few too many people here are riding his game 7 a little too far, he's a 10 goal guy if he's lucky during the regular season, not a top 6 winger.
I'd put him on the second line and think it's very reasonable that he could pot 20-25 on Malkin's line.

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06-30-2009, 05:54 PM
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I'd put him on the second line and think it's very reasonable that he could pot 20-25 on Malkin's line.
I love the sentiment that if you put a player with Malkin or Sid their goals are going up by at least 10.

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I love the sentiment that if you put a player with Malkin or Sid their goals are going up by at least 10.
It keeps hope alive.

As long as there's Sid & Geno we all could be at least 10 goal guy's in the NHL.

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06-30-2009, 06:13 PM
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I'd love to see Pesonen getting a second shot!
I have some inside-info that Post-Gazette soon will give us the answer to the Pesonen-question.




I also would like the Pens to keep him.

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06-30-2009, 06:34 PM
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I love the sentiment that if you put a player with Malkin or Sid their goals are going up by at least 10.
Talbot had 8 goals in the playoffs and didn't even play with Malkin until what, halfway through the Washington series? You don't think he could put up 20 goals over the course of an entire season when he put up nearly half that in the playoffs where scoring is down?

And weren't you the guy that thought we were toast after Game 5 and couldn't even fathom the idea that we could stretch the series to 7, let alone win the Cup?

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06-30-2009, 06:48 PM
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Talbot had 8 goals in the playoffs and didn't even play with Malkin until what, halfway through the Washington series? You don't think he could put up 20 goals over the course of an entire season when he put up nearly half that in the playoffs where scoring is down?
And weren't you the guy that thought we were toast after Game 5 and couldn't even fathom the idea that we could stretch the series to 7, let alone win the Cup?
No. You can't just stick anybody with the best playmakers and expect a Robbie Brown type deal.

He has 8 goals in the playoffs which is awesome but Eaton had 4 goals in the playoffs as well. Should we put him on the number one PP?

If Talbots on the 2nd line its to bring a different element then goal scoring.

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06-30-2009, 06:56 PM
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Talbot had 8 goals in the playoffs and didn't even play with Malkin until what, halfway through the Washington series? You don't think he could put up 20 goals over the course of an entire season when he put up nearly half that in the playoffs where scoring is down?

And weren't you the guy that thought we were toast after Game 5 and couldn't even fathom the idea that we could stretch the series to 7, let alone win the Cup?
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and by contrast... how many goals would tank put up in a season playing with godard/dupuis/thomas/taffe/

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Max Talbot is a solid hockey player but a 20 goal scorer he is not. Not with Malkin, not with Crosby, not with Gretzky. Although I suppose the potential is there. If any of our bottom 6 players (besides Staal) can score 20, I'd bet on Talbot.

I can see him scoring 15 goals, however. Unfortunately, that isn't good enough to play with Malkin.

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06-30-2009, 07:23 PM
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Talbot managed eight in the playoffs and four in a series against probably the best team in the world.

He could get 20, or close to it.

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Kennedy is currently our 3rd most offensively gifted winger and should get bumped up into the top-6. Sucks for Staal but them's the breaks. "Promote" Talbot to the 3rd line, where he can play the checking role he's best suited for. Just leaves an opening on Malkin's LW.

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06-30-2009, 07:31 PM
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No. You can't just stick anybody with the best playmakers and expect a Robbie Brown type deal.

He has 8 goals in the playoffs which is awesome but Eaton had 4 goals in the playoffs as well. Should we put him on the number one PP?

If Talbots on the 2nd line its to bring a different element then goal scoring.
Well over 100 players in the NHL this season scored 20 goals, so I have no idea why you think it takes a supreme goal scoring talent to do so. And yes, Talbot obviously brings more than goal scoring, but he could easily score 20 in a season considering he's scored 12 or more in the last 3 seasons playing mostly on the bottom two lines. With more ice time alongside best offensive center in the league? Far from a stretch.

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06-30-2009, 07:34 PM
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Kennedy is currently our 3rd most offensively gifted winger and should get bumped up into the top-6. Sucks for Staal but them's the breaks. "Promote" Talbot to the 3rd line, where he can play the checking role he's best suited for. Just leaves an opening on Malkin's LW.
I would be fine having Kennedy play on the second line instead of Talbot. I don't think it makes a big difference either way. They both play a similar game except Kennedy is a little bit better of a goalscorer.

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06-30-2009, 07:47 PM
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Malkin-Talbot and Staal-Kennedy is the way it's going to start in camp. I don't think there is much debate about that. And if we get the right winger to complete the forward ranks, it'll look pretty good to me.

Talbot has always looked good when placed next to Geno. Sometimes, part of the solution is right under your nose but you don't see it.

Now granted, all of this depends on the last acquisition we make up front.

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