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06-30-2009, 12:14 PM
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This thread is utter and complete bull****.

Everybody likes to point the finger and at what point are the player accountable??? This is a ****ing joke.

Luca Sbisa said in an interview that he tweaked his groin in camp last year and didn't tell the Flyers training staff.

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If the players aren't forward, honest and upfront about some of their hampering injuries, what the **** do you want the training staff to do???
you didnt know one of the qualifications is that they are supposed to be mind readers?

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06-30-2009, 12:18 PM
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This thread is utter and complete bull****.

Everybody likes to point the finger and at what point are the player accountable??? This is a ****ing joke.

Luca Sbisa said in an interview that he tweaked his groin in camp last year and didn't tell the Flyers training staff.

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If the players aren't forward, honest and upfront about some of their hampering injuries, what the **** do you want the training staff to do???
Woah. Did you post before your morning coffee, Opy?

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06-30-2009, 12:22 PM
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(Tightening after a game hurts like a b*tch)
Yes it does.

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Woah. Did you post before your morning coffee, Opy?
Maybe he did. But I still felt like that after mine.

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06-30-2009, 01:07 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong.

I thought "building" muscle was actually "rebuilding" muscle. Whenever you work out you're constantly tearing muscle (really really small) so when you work out and rest your body heals, and like callist skin the muscle comes back bigger, stronger, etc. So when you stretch beforehand, you're creating small tears early in your muscles to allow more room to move and flex, so that your muscles don't lock up and you get a big tear (serious injury). So overstretching can be bad, but I don't think stretching is all bad?

Does that make sense or am I talking out my ass? Can't remember where I heard that or read it, but that's the impression I was always under.
Stretching itself isn't "bad," but stretching prior to exercise/game doesn't contribute anything positive is what is coming out now.

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06-30-2009, 01:30 PM
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Stretching itself isn't "bad," but stretching prior to exercise/game doesn't contribute anything positive is what is coming out now.
I read an article a few months back that basically boiled down to saying stretching doesn't actually stretch the muscle, it just gets your body used to the pain it feels when the muscle is pulled tight. I've never bought into stretching and do almost none before any sport I play (just a light groin stretch before hockey, no stretching before anything else) and I've never had any sort of serious muscle injury. One person is a small sample size for sure, but stretching just never made sense to me.

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06-30-2009, 01:58 PM
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I read an article a few months back that basically boiled down to saying stretching doesn't actually stretch the muscle, it just gets your body used to the pain it feels when the muscle is pulled tight. I've never bought into stretching and do almost none before any sport I play (just a light groin stretch before hockey, no stretching before anything else) and I've never had any sort of serious muscle injury. One person is a small sample size for sure, but stretching just never made sense to me.
I just think it's funny because of the ritual of pre-game/practice stretching I went through every damn day...now I hear this stuff later in life when it doesn't really matter.

I definitely do post-workout/game stretching, to keep myself loose, but no more of the pre-stretching. It definitely makes a difference the next day though, particularly for my lower back if I stretch out my hammys and whatnot.

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06-30-2009, 02:18 PM
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You do wonder if Carter should consider using a stick with a bit less loft to it.
Speaking of which, do you have any idea what curve he uses? Toe, mid or heel?

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I thought Carter shot high and wide because as he looked up at the net, he was scoping out the chick in Section 120, Row 2, Seat 1.
Next time you're at the game, snap a pic.

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you didnt know one of the qualifications is that they are supposed to be mind readers?
Why yes! Of course they are.

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Woah. Did you post before your morning coffee, Opy?
Tea > Coffee

This subject has been beaten to death, and the finger pointing is comical. I swear, if somebody didn't know better and read the board...they'd think we were mass firing away from a dynasty. At some point, the players need to be held accountable.

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Maybe he did. But I still felt like that after mine.
...hours later, I still feel the same way.

*sigh*

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06-30-2009, 02:24 PM
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Speaking of which, do you have any idea what curve he uses? Toe, mid or heel?
None...I'm not sure I've ever seen a close-up of his stick, but I'm sure there is someone out there that could tell you exactly what he's got.

Heh...check this out:



That definitely explains the high and wide some.

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06-30-2009, 02:42 PM
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None...I'm not sure I've ever seen a close-up of his stick, but I'm sure there is someone out there that could tell you exactly what he's got.

Heh...check this out:

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That definitely explains the high and wide some.
Good lord, that's nasty.

Heel curve with an open toe? That's what it looks like to me, but it's an odd angle.

As you mentioned, THAT definitely explains the high and wide some.

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06-30-2009, 02:54 PM
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I just think it's funny because of the ritual of pre-game/practice stretching I went through every damn day...now I hear this stuff later in life when it doesn't really matter.

I definitely do post-workout/game stretching, to keep myself loose, but no more of the pre-stretching. It definitely makes a difference the next day though, particularly for my lower back if I stretch out my hammys and whatnot.
Yeah for sure. My entire life people have always looked at me funny for doing like ten seconds worth of stretching and jumping out on the ice. I've heard so many times that I'm going to pull something but it's never happened. I feel somehow validated by the recent studies actually, but it was really just laziness all along that kept me from stretching more.

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06-30-2009, 03:00 PM
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Yeah for sure. My entire life people have always looked at me funny for doing like ten seconds worth of stretching and jumping out on the ice. I've heard so many times that I'm going to pull something but it's never happened. I feel somehow validated by the recent studies actually, but it was really just laziness all along that kept me from stretching more.
I'm with you man. I NEVER stretch before games. Maybe a light jog or what not just to get loose, but little to no stretching.

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06-30-2009, 05:36 PM
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I'm with you man. I NEVER stretch before games. Maybe a light jog or what not just to get loose, but little to no stretching.
I know this is dumb, but it actually works for me psychologically. I started running a little more seriously last year (I probably do 4 miles per day about 4-5 times per week) and stretching for me is just a good ritual before the run even though my flexibility is relatively pathetic.

I feel like if I don't stretch, it takes me longer to get in rhythm when I'm running.

Always stretch afterward though, you feel it when you don't.

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06-30-2009, 05:39 PM
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I know this is dumb, but it actually works for me psychologically. I started running a little more seriously last year (I probably do 4 miles per day about 4-5 times per week) and stretching for me is just a good ritual before the run even though my flexibility is relatively pathetic.

I feel like if I don't stretch, it takes me longer to get in rhythm when I'm running.

Always stretch afterward though, you feel it when you don't.
Well, scientifically stretching without warming up (jogging) does you almost no good based on what I've read/heard. You want to raise your body temperature a bit before you stretch...thus why post-jogging stretching is really important, as you'll get real effect as far as flexibility out of it.

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Well, scientifically stretching without warming up (jogging) does you almost no good based on what I've read/heard. You want to raise your body temperature a bit before you stretch...thus why post-jogging stretching is really important, as you'll get real effect as far as flexibility out of it.
Well, what I do is kind of bounce around my room (jumping jacks, bounce around, shake myself out) for a few minutes, then go into the stretching routine which is about 5-6 minutes, and then walk pretty quickly to a trail and start the run.

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06-30-2009, 05:57 PM
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Well, scientifically stretching without warming up (jogging) does you almost no good based on what I've read/heard. You want to raise your body temperature a bit before you stretch...thus why post-jogging stretching is really important, as you'll get real effect as far as flexibility out of it.
This is true. You have to do a warm-up before stretching.

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06-30-2009, 06:18 PM
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This thread is utter and complete bull****.

Everybody likes to point the finger and at what point are the player accountable??? This is a ****ing joke.

Luca Sbisa said in an interview that he tweaked his groin in camp last year and didn't tell the Flyers training staff.

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If the players aren't forward, honest and upfront about some of their hampering injuries, what the **** do you want the training staff to do???

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None...I'm not sure I've ever seen a close-up of his stick, but I'm sure there is someone out there that could tell you exactly what he's got.



That definitely explains the high and wide some.
Sweet jesus, how does he have a backhand with that curve. Kinda reminds me of Hexy's curve, pitching wedge heel curve.

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Sweet jesus, how does he have a backhand with that curve. Kinda reminds me of Hexy's curve, pitching wedge heel curve.
He doesn't, when have you ever seen Carter use his backhand?

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He doesn't, when have you ever seen Carter use his backhand?
It's his favorite shootout move. Which pains me to no end, with his wrist shot he'd embarrass goalies, much like Sakic does on breakaways.

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He doesn't, when have you ever seen Carter use his backhand?
He goes backhand every single breakaway. His only playoff goal was on the backhand.

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06-30-2009, 09:10 PM
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None...I'm not sure I've ever seen a close-up of his stick, but I'm sure there is someone out there that could tell you exactly what he's got.

Heh...check this out:



That definitely explains the high and wide some.
Actually I was looking at pictures after I read your comment before on his curve. He could definitely get a more closed face, but I don't think it's that bad.

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Actually I was looking at pictures after I read your comment before on his curve. He could definitely get a more closed face, but I don't think it's that bad.
I don't know, that's one of those flares that just completely explains why so many of his shots go high and right. Clearly it's an advantage for the getting the puck up under the bar, but it does explain his missing the net problem (specifically WHERE he misses the net).

I know if I was using that stick my shots would be way up and out of there.

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He goes backhand every single breakaway. His only playoff goal was on the backhand.
Meh, outside of deking, when does he ever use it? I dunno, the backhander in general is kind of a dying art, but that stick is designed for one thing and one thing only: wrist shots.

EDIT: I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

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I don't know, that's one of those flares that just completely explains why so many of his shots go high and right. Clearly it's an advantage for the getting the puck up under the bar, but it does explain his missing the net problem (specifically WHERE he misses the net).

I know if I was using that stick my shots would be way up and out of there.
I use the Lindros (closed face) and I could easily hit the crossbar while standing in the goalie crease. I understand it's preference, but he IS an NHL player. Maybe he should look into it...

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