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07-01-2009, 04:52 PM
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Phoenix signs Vernon Fiddler

Per TSN's UFA Tracker

2 years/$1.1 million each year

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Fiddler to Phoenix

www.tsn.ca/nhl

Look on the signing tracker.

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07-01-2009, 04:56 PM
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Holy, massive overpayment for the guy that leads the league in number of times causing an offsides...

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not a bad signing i guess,,

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Why? I don't get what he adds.

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Phoenix is trying to make it look like they're not rolling over a dying? LOL

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Why? I don't get what he adds.
as posted on the phoenix board, his faceoff % is 54%. Phoenix is probably hoping to change their atrocious faceoff performance of last year.

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good 4th line signing for PHX. Brings decent face off numbers which the Coyotes need. Should be good with Winnik and Fedoruk on the 4th line

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Very solid signing... Underrated player

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Obvious overpayment. Nashville probably didn't offer him more than he earned in the last two years ($850k pa). Very surprised he got $2.2m over two years.

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[QUOTE=RoyBoyCoy;20210905]Phoenix is trying to make it look like they're not rolling over a dying? LOL[/QUOTE]



Kind of like Burke was trying to make it look like the Leafs were not gonna roll over and die when he was trying to offer up various Kaberle packages to move up in the draft

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Phoenix is trying to make it look like they're not rolling over a dying? LOL
Wow. You're funny.

You should try stand up.

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Phoenix's PK was awful, one of the worst in the legue. Fiddler was on Nashville's top unit, which helped make Nashville's PK top ten in the league. Phoenix's F/O% was awful, maybe the worst in the league. Fiddlers F/O% has been over 50% the last four years. If Nashville was fine with 850K per for a guy they already have plenty of in Nichol and Smithson, I don't really see how 1.1M per from Phoenix, a team that needs more of what he brings, is all that much of an overpayment. That said, with all of the forwards we already have, I take this signing to mean that Phoenix now expects Matthew Lombardi to be our number one center, Martin Hanzal to be our second line center, Vernon Fiddler to be our shut-down center, and Kyle Turris to fit in somewhere.

In other words, the Coyotes are totally ****ed.

LWs: Doan, Upshall, Prucha, Tikhonov, Dawes, Fedoruk, Winnik
Cs: Lombardi, Hanzal, Fiddler, Turris
RWs: Mueller, Boedker, Lisin


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07-01-2009, 05:38 PM
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Fiddler is not a shutdown center

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Fiddler is not a shutdown center
Re-read the post. He agrees with you.

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07-01-2009, 05:46 PM
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Re-read the post. He agrees with you.
sorry, I stopped reading when I read shutdown center.

Fiddler is a heart and soul guy, and one of the best people you'll ever meet, even plays goal for a mens summer league team here. The guy loves hockey and works harder than anyone at it. The problem is he's just not very talented.

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sorry, I stopped reading when I read shutdown center.

Fiddler is a heart and soul guy, and one of the best people you'll ever meet, even plays goal for a mens summer league team here. The guy loves hockey and works harder than anyone at it. The problem is he's just not very talented.
On the other hand, Martin Hanzal is a fantastic shut-down center, Matthew Lombardi is a decent enough second line center for a bubble team, Vernon Fiddler should be a fourth liner, and Kyle Turris should still be in college. Unfortunatly our team is bankrupt, so we get...

Lombardi-Replaces Jokinen(actually did match his pts/gm post deadline and had a better pts/gm as a Coyote)
Hanzal-Should be able to replace Reinprecht's pts
Fiddler-Should be able to replace Turris' pts
Turris-Should be able to replace Hanzal's pts


In which case, we'll get to pick sixth overall again, next draft.

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On the other hand, Martin Hanzal is a fantastic shut-down center, Matthew Lombardi is a decent enough second line center for a bubble team, Vernon Fiddler should be a fourth liner, and Kyle Turris should still be in college. Unfortunatly our team is bankrupt, so we get...

Lombardi-Replaces Jokinen(actually did match his pts/gm post deadline and had a better pts/gm as a Coyote)
Hanzal-Should be able to replace Reinprecht's pts
Fiddler-Should be able to replace Turris' pts
Turris-Should be able to replace Hanzal's pts


In which case, we'll get to pick sixth overall again, next draft.

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He was a good fit in a place like Nashville.


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Very solid signing... Underrated player
Very bad signing... overrated player.

If any other GM gave Fiddler this kind of contract, he would (or at least, he should) be fired on the spot. I still seize up at the thought of him on scoring lines when we had a rash of injuries.

On the plus side, your team will now have a scapegoat for every offside infraction.

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Nashville fans are being a little tough on the guy.

As long as you don't expect him to be anything more than a 4th line center and decent PK guy, Fiddler is a good signing. A little high at 1.1 million, as players like him are a dime a dozen, but, overall, not too bad.

I think Preds fans are just a little sick of the abundance of Fiddler "type" players we have on the team, so when one leaves, we do a little happy dance.

Nice pickup for Phx as long as you keep him on the 4th line.

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Very bad signing... overrated player.

If any other GM gave Fiddler this kind of contract, he would (or at least, he should) be fired on the spot. I still seize up at the thought of him on scoring lines when we had a rash of injuries.

On the plus side, your team will now have a scapegoat for every offside infraction.
"This kind of contract"? Seriously? Are you people stuck in 1981?

$1.1 million is not anything special for a veteran. If he's overpaid, and maybe he is, it's not by more than a few hundred thousand dollars, and even for the financial straits the Coyotes find themselves in, I can't imagine this 2-year deal becomes an albatross, no matter how bad Fiddler might be.

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In which case, we'll get to pick sixth overall again, next draft.

Why is it none of these damn crappy teams here in town can never go the full mile and actually get the first freaking pick? Seriously, the Coyotes blew it 3 times in the past couple years. The Cardinals did it 3 or 4 times in about a 5 year period. If your gonna suck, suck all the way and get the #1 pick dammit!

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Nashville fans are being a little tough on the guy.

As long as you don't expect him to be anything more than a 4th line center and decent PK guy, Fiddler is a good signing. A little high at 1.1 million, as players like him are a dime a dozen, but, overall, not too bad.

I think Preds fans are just a little sick of the abundance of Fiddler "type" players we have on the team, so when one leaves, we do a little happy dance.

Nice pickup for Phx as long as you keep him on the 4th line.
That's exactly it. You already have Nichol, and Smithson, and had Peverly, ect. You've got a ton of PKers and had a top ten PK. Our PK sucked ass. One of the worst in the league. We really NEEDED one of those types of guys Nashville had too many of. Also, we were the worst face-off team in the NHL. Fiddler has never been sub .500 in the face of dot in any season of his career to date. In Nashville you don't care because guys like Nichol and Smithson are insanely good at winning face-offs, and your team has been so good in that regard that you've taken it for granted. We NEEDED a guy who can win some face-offs. He was brought in to play on the checking line, kill some penalties, and win some face-offs. I'm not sure why any of these Nashville fans are trashing the signing because we aren't getting anything more than that. We aren't expecting to get anything more than that. If that's all we get, we'll be perfectly happy with him.

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"This kind of contract"? Seriously? Are you people stuck in 1981?

$1.1 million is not anything special for a veteran. If he's overpaid, and maybe he is, it's not by more than a few hundred thousand dollars, and even for the financial straits the Coyotes find themselves in, I can't imagine this 2-year deal becomes an albatross, no matter how bad Fiddler might be.
Yep. "Oh these guys are a dime a dozen!" "1.1 is ridiculous!" "Terrible signing!" A veteren PKer is going to cost you 800k. A UFA veteren PKer is going to cost you 1.1m. 300k difference without having to trade anything.

What is the big EFFING WHOOP?!?!?!?!?

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