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Higgins+McDonagh for Scott Gomez - Pt.II (All trade Related Posts Here)

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07-01-2009, 06:12 PM
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what a bunch of crap,

bob has killed the CH, what a pile

we suck, and we get are ass handed to us....

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Another season of watching the Habs getting the **** kicked out of them all over the ice.....I can hardly wait.

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07-01-2009, 06:24 PM
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how does the owners let bob do this?

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I just thought of something. Maybe Gainey dealt McDonagh and Valentenko because he knows some of our other Russian D's could be coming over soon.

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07-01-2009, 10:16 PM
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I just thought of something. Maybe Gainey dealt McDonagh and Valentenko because he knows some of our other Russian D's could be coming over soon.
I just thought of something too...

No matter how you slice it you don't give away your best prospect for no reason.

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07-02-2009, 01:27 AM
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An Assessment of the Trade

Sam Pollock once opined that a quick way to assess any trade was to see which team ended up with the best player. By using this admittedly, superficial approach, it would appear, at least to this writer, that with Gomez being clearly the best player involved in the transaction, the trade should be viewed favourably. While trading a promising prospect should always be viewed with some reservation, the current free agency rules under which all teams now operate, greatly reduces the importance of such assets. As opposed to to the 1960s, 70s and 80s where draft choices - and the development of such prospects - were the life blood of any team, today mistakes made in drafting or in the trading of prospects, can be minimized through free agency. As witnessed by today's splurge in free agency, given a reasonable amount cap flexibility, it is quite possible to change a team's core and direction in only one year.

In Gomez, Montreal is acquiring a dynamic puck transporter who will more than replace the role that Kovalev filled for the past several years. Though the successive losses of Souray and Streit played a role in reducing the effectiveness of the team's power play, an equal, if not more significant factor was Kovalev's inability to transport the puck on a consistent basis into the offensive zone and establish puck control. Too often, the team was reduced to shooting the puck in and relying on forechecking to gain control on the poweplay. This tactic ate up valuable time and greatly reduced our offensive zone time of possession on the power play. With Gomez, this will not be a problem and with more time of possession in the offensive zone, the power play will be that much more effective.

Gomez gives the team an exciting, skilled player who, before Christmas, will be one of the most popular players among the team's notoriously demanding fans.

That is all.


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07-02-2009, 01:28 AM
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Sam Pollack once opined that a quick way to assess any trade was to see which team ended up with the best player. By using this admittedly, superficially approach, it would appear, at least to this writer, that with Gomez being clearly the best player involved in the transaction, the trade should be viewed favourably. While trading a promising prospect should always be viewed with some reservation, the current free agency rules under which all teams now operate, greatly reduces the importance of such assets. As opposed to to the 1960s, 70s and 80s where draft choices - and the development of such prospects - were the life blood of any team, today mistakes made in drafting or in the trading of prospects, can be minimized through free agency. As witnessed by today's splurge in free agency, given a reasonable amount cap flexibility, it is quite possible to change a team's core and direction in only one year.

In Gomez, Montreal is acquiring a dynamic puck transporter who will more than replace the role that Kovalev filled for the past several years. Though the successive losses of Souray and Streit played a role in reducing the effectiveness of the team's power play, an equal, if not more significant factor was Kovalev's inability to transport the puck on a consistent basis into the offensive zone and establish puck control. Too often, the team was reduced to shooting the puck in and relying on forechecking to gain control on the poweplay. This tactic ate up valuable time and greatly reduced our offensive zone time off possession on the power play. With Gomez, this will not be a problem and with more time of possession in the offensive zone, the power play will be that much more effective.

Gomez gives the team an exciting, skilled player who, before Christmas, will be one of the most popular players among the team's notoriously demanding fans.

That is all.
Sam Pollack did not operate in a cap system

that is all

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07-02-2009, 05:59 AM
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Hi guys, quick question for you - can Higgins play other positions, or is he a LW only?

Thanks!

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07-02-2009, 08:17 AM
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Sam Pollack did not operate in a cap system

that is all
It's "Pollock" not "Pollack". And yes, but that makes it even more difficult to GM OVERALL than back in Sams day.

Pollock had it easy...it was asset for asset. The fact is, salary didn't play much of a role at all as salaries were so low, but teams like the Habs still made a pile of dough. Tax issues etc. played no role either back then.

It's a simpleton approach if assessments are made without taking all key factors into account. But hey, this board has a lot of simpletons...so who cares about the music if the audience is deaf.

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07-02-2009, 08:50 AM
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i put well c only for the reason that i believe(hope) that this trade happened for a reason
either to lure in someone else (gionta?)

or to trade gomez to another team to acquire someone better or with a better contract

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It's "Pollock" not "Pollack". And yes, but that makes it even more difficult to GM OVERALL than back in Sams day.

Pollock had it easy...it was asset for asset. The fact is, salary didn't play much of a role at all as salaries were so low, but teams like the Habs still made a pile of dough. Tax issues etc. played no role either back then.

It's a simpleton approach if assessments are made without taking all key factors into account. But hey, this board has a lot of simpletons...so who cares about the music if the audience is deaf.
As my earlier post implied, the 'best player' approach is, at best, only a superficial way of assessing a trade - a somewhat more elegant useage than your 'simpleton' characterization. Nevertheless, I still like a trade where my team ends up with the best player. In Gomez, Montreal now has a dynamic, high tempo player who is among the top 5 or 6 puck transporters in the league. Whether his addition and the other free agency signings make Montreal a contender remains to be seen. There is, however, one thing that is unquestioned: changes had to be made. Last year's team could not (or would not) compete against the league's other elite teams. The Canadiens' pitiful playoff performance against Boston was all the confirmation any observer needed.

That is all.

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07-02-2009, 08:53 PM
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I think that Gomez and Gionta will thrive in a Jaques Martin system. We now have a 1st line that can actually contain another 1st line. A great and rare asset imo.

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07-02-2009, 08:57 PM
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Hi guys, quick question for you - can Higgins play other positions, or is he a LW only?

Thanks!
He can play center but preferably on the wing.

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07-03-2009, 12:57 AM
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This isn't even clever... or anything.

It's not even a joke.

It's Gainey "moving" Higgins and the other guys in a truck with Jacques Martin. "Good Joke"

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This isn't even clever... or anything.

It's not even a joke.

It's Gainey "moving" Higgins and the other guys in a truck with Jacques Martin. "Good Joke"
The Martin's ears are surely a good one...

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Guys your missin the big picture ,the only reason that trade happened was because the NHL veto'ed the LeC avalier trade .Now imagine this team with leCavalier no Subban,no Pleks and -1 draft pick,ala in all this is a better trade.

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Wow, really?

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