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07-03-2009, 12:01 PM
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Sure - but the LAST thing the Canucks needed to be spending money on was a player to play with the Sedins. Burrows showed that he can be that guy - this is totally unnecessary. Given the cap hit here, and the fact that cap space is so precious right now, I'd say that this is easily the WORST signing by the Canucks since the inception of the cap.
burrows isn't and shouldn't be a lock with the sedins last year. he has to prove he can capture lightning again and not be the next carter/pyatt, so why not bring in a guy who could potentially have success on that top line if burrows falters?

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I just don't see the big problem with signing this guy, he's averaged 40 points without putting in top minutes. 2.5m for 3 years is decent and leaves lots of cap room, it's a great depth move. Doesn't cause any problems for next year, either. Certainly better than Gaborik or Cammalleri for 7.5m and 6m.

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3 years, $2.5 million per for Samuelsson.

I'm pretty 'meh' on this move.
Me too.

I think people expecting him to play with the Sedins or be a second liner will be quite disappointed, but I also think he'll be solid enough. Think Taylor Pyatt...

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I'm guessing Gillis or Vigneault want to get Burrows away from the Sedins? I'm not sure why?
Seems pretty obvious to me - to put Burrows back with Kesler.

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it's the same people who complain that want to trade Bieksa for a Dman.....yea that works.... it's also the same people who want to throw 5 mill at one of these left over "puck movers".

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could you refresh my memory here and provide any posts where I said this?

Not that I'm disagreeing... I have never been that high on Samuelsson, but I don't think I ever dismissed him overall.... I do remember having a discussion (it might have been with you even) about how Detroit was not going to move him during the season as a salary dump, when he was an effective player for them and a solid playoff performer.... I do remember having that discussion with several posters, convinced that Detroit would never move him.

I also remember saying in the past that he would be one of the guys that wouldn't return to Detroit after his contract was done, because of cap situations.

But since you did bring up my name as saying something I don't remember saying, I'd hope you have the posts to back them up?

sorry, decided to go with my posting history here to find out what I did actually say about him:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...n#post17950922
This discussion actually took place shortly after Naslund two week success with the Sedin's ended. I proposed a trade of Naslund for Samuelsson, near the trade deadline as the cap hit for Detroit was going to be minimal, but I was shot down because you did not believe that Samuelsson was a legit winger on the 1st line due to his limited goal scoring prowess.

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the guy's still been there, and knows what it takes for a team to win, and that experience, no matter how much of a role he had, is vital.

cmon dude its a beautiful day, and you're gonna start it off by getting worked up about this?
After sitting waiting patiently for Gillis to do something really "bold" - like he proclaimed he would - at the draft and during the UFA period, hoping he would add a top flight offensive goal scorer and/or a puck moving d-man, Gillis goes out and signs a 32 year old Jannik Hansen for at least 1.5 million more than Jannik Hansen would have needed. Terrible. Moronic.

Gillis talks a big game, but seems to have no idea what is going on. He talks trash about the twins, then retracts, then plays hardball, then relents and signs them to 12 million dollars per year. He balks at dealing a draft pick for Bouwmeester and then watches him sign with the Flames. He reportedly is ready to handcuff the team by signing Luongo to an obscene 8 million dollar a year contract. In response to a need for a top 6 forward, he goes out and gets a glorified 3rd liner and commits to him until he is 35 years old. He uses precious cap space to do this and in effect eliminates the teams ability to add a player of consequence now.

Gillis, officially, is an idiot. I wonder if Toronto would give permission for us to talk to Nonis?

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Don't like the looks of this.

That softens up our line up real good.

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Seems pretty obvious to me - to put Burrows back with Kesler.
Sedin - Sedin - Samuelsson
Demitra - Sundin? - X = Burrows - Kesler - X
Hordichuk - Johnson - Rypien

Players to fight for spots:

Wellwood
Raymond
Hansen
Bernier
Hodgson
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Pfft, don't put too much stock into the gloating "HAHA!" post of farewell. Look at the Canucks board, whenever we trade someone they suddenly become the world's worst player. A perfect example would be Bernier.

He isn't the greatest player. But he throws a lot of hits, he works hard, and he stands up for his teamates. Yes, he misses easy scoring chances, but he has potential to develop.

Were he to be traded, you would see a lot of Canuck fans going off on him saying "he's terrible! He has no hands! What a bust! Isbister v 2.0! Enjoy wasting your time on him!" etc etc.


I'm not saying Sameulsson will be amazing, but I would wait before getting down and out over some random Wings fans parting comments.
True.

Also, when we acquire someone, we completely inflate their ability. Someone who has a career-high of 19 goals is a "20-goal scorer," etc.

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After sitting waiting patiently for Gillis to do something really "bold" - like he proclaimed he would - at the draft and during the UFA period, hoping he would add a top flight offensive goal scorer and/or a puck moving d-man, Gillis goes out and signs a 32 year old Jannik Hansen for at least 1.5 million more than Jannik Hansen would have needed. Terrible. Moronic.

Gillis talks a big game, but seems to have no idea what is going on. He talks trash about the twins, then retracts, then plays hardball, then relents and signs them to 12 million dollars per year. He balks at dealing a draft pick for Bouwmeester and then watches him sign with the Flames. He reportedly is ready to handcuff the team by signing Luongo to an obscene 8 million dollar a year contract. In response to a need for a top 6 forward, he goes out and gets a glorified 3rd liner and commits to him until he is 35 years old. He uses precious cap space to do this and in effect eliminates the teams ability to add a player of consequence now.

Gillis, officially, is an idiot. I wonder if Toronto would give permission for us to talk to Nonis?
And last year we were going to finish in Bottom 10 with the moves Gillis made, look how that worked out. It's clear that most fans have no clue when it comes to hockey.

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it's the same people who complain that want to trade Bieksa for a Dman.....yea that works.... it's also the same people who want to throw 5 mill at one of these left over "puck movers".
its the same apologists that sit around proclaiming a defense the likes of which where Kevin Bieksa is a power play specialist think that the team will have any realistic shot of doing ANYTHING in the post season.

Why does it not work to trade Bieksa for a d-man?

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Not a fan of Samuelsson at all. 3 years at $7.5mil makes me even less of a fan. Very questionable signing with the amount of young players that could fill this role for a fraction of the cost.

On the flipside, if Samuelsson can develop chemistry with the twins we may have a guy that can score 25-30 goals on their wing. The fact he's got an excellent RH shot could potentially make this work.

I'm guessing Gillis or Vigneault want to get Burrows away from the Sedins? I'm not sure why?
I agree, not a fan of Samuelsson at that price at all...

but I always thought that Burrows isn't the best fit with the Sedins... he is an effective player on his own, so why have him on a line were the other 2 create most of the offense?

Personally, I like Burrows with Kesler... I'm hoping they get reunited... call it a #2 line or a #2b or whatever, but IMO we're a stronger team when Burrows and Kesler are out against the opposition's top lines - they can still produce in that role, while shutting down the opposition's top threats.

3 lines with:

Daniel-Henrik
Burrow-Kesler
Demitra-Hodgson

Plug in the rest on their wings, and IMO we have a better team for match-ups overall...

Daniel-Henrik-Samuelsson (top line, top PP)
Burrows-Kesler-Bernier (#2 minutes overall, top PK, top shutdown assignments)
Raymond-Hodgson-Demitra (#3 line, 2nd offensive unit, 2nd PP line)
Hordichuk-Johnson-Rypien/Hansen (4th line, not much icetime, #2 PK unit).

IMO the above gives us good balance and good match-up options.

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People are all over Gillis for paying Samuelsson 2.5

I wonder what would have happened if he paid gaborik 7.5

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I am so tired of hearing about how Gillis has done "nothing." Signing the Sedins is not nothing, I dont care that they were on the team last year; that is completely irrelevant. If the Canucks had dumped them and signed two 100% identical players who played on a different team last year, people would be praising Gillis. Instead he signs probably the two most valuable players he could sign, and so he's done nothing. Idiotic.

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Don't like the looks of this.

That softens up our line up real good.
Essentially he replaces Pyatt: Samuelsson> Pyatt in every way

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This discussion actually took place shortly after Naslund two week success with the Sedin's ended. I proposed a trade of Naslund for Samuelsson, near the trade deadline as the cap hit for Detroit was going to be minimal, but I was shot down because you did not believe that Samuelsson was a legit winger on the 1st line due to his limited goal scoring prowess.
could you provide a link to that... I'd be interesting in seeing what I actually said back the, and what my reasoning was?

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i wish the 3rd year was an option

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its the same apologists that sit around proclaiming a defense the likes of which where Kevin Bieksa is a power play specialist think that the team will have any realistic shot of doing ANYTHING in the post season.

Why does it not work to trade Bieksa for a d-man?
You won't be getting value for the "complete" package Bieksa brings.


Oh but wait he makes a mistake or two with the puck

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It's an alright contract. Not a great one.

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After sitting waiting patiently for Gillis to do something really "bold" - like he proclaimed he would - at the draft and during the UFA period, hoping he would add a top flight offensive goal scorer and/or a puck moving d-man, Gillis goes out and signs a 32 year old Jannik Hansen for at least 1.5 million more than Jannik Hansen would have needed. Terrible. Moronic.

Gillis talks a big game, but seems to have no idea what is going on. He talks trash about the twins, then retracts, then plays hardball, then relents and signs them to 12 million dollars per year. He balks at dealing a draft pick for Bouwmeester and then watches him sign with the Flames. He reportedly is ready to handcuff the team by signing Luongo to an obscene 8 million dollar a year contract. In response to a need for a top 6 forward, he goes out and gets a glorified 3rd liner and commits to him until he is 35 years old. He uses precious cap space to do this and in effect eliminates the teams ability to add a player of consequence now.

Gillis, officially, is an idiot. I wonder if Toronto would give permission for us to talk to Nonis?
why talk to nonis when you're clearly more qualified for the job

if you want bold, go be a habs fan

if you can't see the benefits of samuelsson over hansen, you're insane

i'm not completely on board with this move yet, but there's that tiny detail of next season to deal with before we know if it works

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I think he is there to provide veteran presence on the third line.
Samuelsson Hodgson Bernier

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It's an alright contract. Not a great one.
Which UFA signings will undoubtly be. Can rarely sign a "good" UFA contract unless there is something else in play (stanley cup, re-signing, brothers)

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It's an alright contract. Not a great one.
Probably the best way looking at it. Samuelsson deserved a raise from his time in Detroit, he was getting it somewhere and I'm glad he got it on a team like Vancouver who will be very competitive next year.

Samuelsson like all borderline top 6 players will frustrate you, but he works hard, is a good two-way player and has the ability to score clutch goals in the regular season and playoffs.

I'm not trying to hype him up to anything more than he is, but as long as he plays within himself he'll be productive for Vancouver.

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Is this roughly how people greeted Bernier last season? (Wasn't around this board back then...)

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