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07-03-2009, 02:11 PM
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You're an idiot if you think there is room for Sundin now. We've been handcuffed with three heartless Swedes on contracts way over their value and you want a forth? That would make at least five europeans in the top 6.

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Hilarious comment, but I smell an infraction in your future. Hilarious though.

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07-03-2009, 02:12 PM
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he just added a 20 goal scoring RW shoot first player with a cup ring and people moan and whine.

Come on...
Adding players for the sake of it is a failed policy.

The best question to ask is "how does this player fit into our mix".

My answer is not well.

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07-03-2009, 02:12 PM
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It doesn't mean that necessarily. It all depends on how littleSundin is willing to take.
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What are people here assuming he will take? Don't we only have roughly 4M left with 2 holes on D and a hole in G? That leaves like 2M left, no way Sundin comes back at that price. ****, this better not have ruined the chances of him coming over, especially after Gillis states last night that they were in talks amongst each other.
I could see Sundin coming back for 2.5. Gillis can make it work.

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07-03-2009, 02:13 PM
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Brief recap of the conference call with Mikael Samuelsson:

When did you first hear from Vancouver?
July 1st. Offer was made on the 1st, waited till the 2nd. Had many offers from other teams. Vancouver was the best for him. Heard all offers, but between Vancouver and Detroit for the final decision.

On Vancouver having Swedes on the team:
It made it a bit easier, but not a huge factor. "I want to play with good players". Sees himself as a top-two line forward "if I play good".

When do you move over?
Probably in September, a couple weeks before training camp. Family will probably follow once he finds a home.

What attracted you to Vancouver to make you believe they're capable for a Cup run?
Likes the way the team plays. Plays hard but with skill. Plays a similar puck possession game as Detroit.
George is getting upset!

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07-03-2009, 02:14 PM
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What are people here assuming he will take? Don't we only have roughly 4M left with 2 holes on D and a hole in G? That leaves like 2M left, no way Sundin comes back at that price. ****, this better not have ruined the chances of him coming over, especially after Gillis states last night that they were in talks amongst each other.
I actually could envision him at around 3 million - so we are close.

Again - I'd like to see Bieksa moved for a PP specialist - even though one guy here seems to think that it is illegal and contravenes the Geneva Convention to trade a defenseman for a defenseman.

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What are people here assuming he will take? Don't we only have roughly 4M left with 2 holes on D and a hole in G? That leaves like 2M left, no way Sundin comes back at that price. ****, this better not have ruined the chances of him coming over, especially after Gillis states last night that they were in talks amongst each other.
7.2 left with 11F, 6D (Nycholat and Rome), and 1G. At this point everything depends on whether we make any trades or not, but there's definitely room for Sundin at 3-4m.

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07-03-2009, 02:15 PM
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It's funny that all the hockey people are saying this is "good value." And yet our resident experts say it's terrible. Lots of big egos around.
We'll see in a couple years. There are alot of extensions to be signed.

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Samuelsson will be a very complimentary player for the Sedins, they are players who do not need a really physical presence on their line, instead smart players who know the cycle and can get into the open spaces to score goals. aka Anson Carter or Michael Ryder.

Both of the above players had major deficencies in the defensive games. I really think that Samuelsson has the potential to score at a similar clip as did Anson Carter and also as Ryder did last year with Boston. 25-30 goals and approximately 50-60 points is my expectation for Samuelsson. Biggest improvement area for the team will be on the powerplay, especially for the Sedin line.

For those complaining about Hansen being able to produce similarily as Samuelsson, just look at the all the missed chances he had on the powerplay with Sedins and others. He is not a shooter more of grinder in the corners and fore-checker.

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07-03-2009, 02:17 PM
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Brief recap of the conference call with Mikael Samuelsson:

What attracted you to Vancouver to make you believe they're capable for a Cup run?

Likes the way the team plays. Plays hard but with skill. Plays a similar puck possession game as Detroit.
I like how he avoided that question:

Reporter: Do you think the Canucks are cup contenders?

Samuelsson: They play hard but with skill

Reporter: Yeah, but are they cup contenders?

Samuelsson: They play similar puck possession game as Detroit

Reporter: Ok, but are they CUP contenders????

Samuelsson: They player hard, but with skill.........


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When do you move over?
Probably in September, a couple weeks before training camp. Family will probably follow once he finds a home.
What the hell? Is he some kind of an idiot, signing as a free agent without buying a house and barbecue beforehand? I'll bet he hasn't even visited the airport yet.

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You know what I like about what Gillis has done and why I think the comparisons to Nonis are laughable?

Nonis built a team where he plugged holes with guys like Isbister, and Ritchie, and CHouinard, and Cowan, and players like that. We had no scoring because we had no players with the potential to score. We took the square peg (a 4th line grinder) and tried to put it in the round hole (top 6 forward).

The difference with Gillis is, although we may not have a bonafide 2nd line right now, we have a group of players all fully capable of scoring goals. I don't know if we'll have a "2nd line" per-se this year. We'll have a group of 7 or 8 interchangable parts to plug in and out of those holes depending on who's playing well.

It's no jamming a Brad Isbister or Byron Ritchie into a totally unfamiliar role. It's giving a bunch of guys with legitimate skill a chance to compete with each other for those minutes. Guys like Kesler, Demitra, Raymond, Samuelsson, Wellwood, Hodgson, Bernier, Grabner, and even Hansen.

I also expect a trade to be coming soon. This signing allows us to trade a forward in a deal for a defenseman. Schneider + Raymond + 1st for Tomas Kaberle please.

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You're an idiot if you think there is room for Sundin now. We've been handcuffed with three heartless Swedes on contracts way over their value and you want a forth? That would make at least five europeans in the top 6.

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Heartless? That's too strong. There's a difference between playing soft and avoiding all contact, and being tough. The Sedins are tough.

Remember their first season? When they got knocked down every second shift? They got up and worked hard in both ends of the rinks and created chances. And they showed from the get-go that they wouldn't be intimidated. Can you give me an example of when their so-called "heartlessness" lost the team a game?

Hey, there's always Burke's new-look Maple Leafs for you to support. I'm sure they'll be winning lots of games...

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07-03-2009, 02:19 PM
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We'll have a group of 7 or 8 interchangable parts to plug in and out of those holes depending on who's playing well.
Can't wait to hear the brain trust around here complaining that AV juggles his lines too much.

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Heartless? That's too strong. There's a difference between playing soft and avoiding all contact, and being tough. The Sedins are tough.

Remember their first season? When they got knocked down every second shift? They got up and worked hard in both ends of the rinks and created chances. And they showed from the get-go that they wouldn't be intimidated.
Can you give me an example of when their so-called "heartlessness" lost the team a game?

Hey, there's always Burke's new-look Maple Leafs for you to support. I'm sure they'll be winning lots of games...
If thats your definition of tough, then its pretty lousy.

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I could see Sundin coming back for 2.5. Gillis can make it work.
So he goes from making 6M for half a season to 2.5M for a full season? Unlikely.

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7.2 left with 11F, 6D (Nycholat and Rome), and 1G. At this point everything depends on whether we make any trades or not, but there's definitely room for Sundin at 3-4m.
Our D is pretty laughable at the moment, if there's no moves made. We'll get exploited again, like in the Chicago series.

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I actually could envision him at around 3 million - so we are close.

Again - I'd like to see Bieksa moved for a PP specialist - even though one guy here seems to think that it is illegal and contravenes the Geneva Convention to trade a defenseman for a defenseman.
I wouldn't mind trading Bieksa, but it would be a lateral move considering we'd be in the same place as we were before. Looking for a top 4 Dman that can play 20 minutes a game. Maybe trade Bieksa for Kaberle and Raymond + for Hamhuis(great potentia? Then re-sign Sundin. I would be happy with that.

Sundin at anything under 3M is pretty wishful thinking.

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Samuelsson has a rocket of a shot, and I would expect 25-30 as well if he's on the same line with the twinss. The question is does that slide Burrows down to the 3rd line with Hodgson and Bernier? Not the biggest fan of this move if he's supposed to bring our offence to the next level, but it is fine at a 2.5 cap hit. And he was real good when Detroit won the cup.

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Can't wait to hear the brain trust around here complaining that AV juggles his lines too much.
I know.



For the 2nd and 3rd lines it'll be a good thing this year. There will be constant competition for those spots (if the forwards stay this way), which should ensure each guy brings it each night, because if they don't they know damn well they're getting bumped for the guy who is.

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What the hell? Is he some kind of an idiot, signing as a free agent without buying a house and barbecue beforehand? I'll bet he hasn't even visited the airport yet.

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should we forfeit the season y/n

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If thats your definition of tough, then its pretty lousy.
Seriously what is with the fascination of busting the Sedins balls in this town? They dont miss games, they play against teams best checkers and they take a beating. Yet they keep coming, and coming. Not tough in the Tie Domi sense, sure....

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I like how he avoided that question:

Reporter: Do you think the Canucks are cup contenders?

Samuelsson: They play hard but with skill

Reporter: Yeah, but are they cup contenders?

Samuelsson: They play similar puck possession game as Detroit

Reporter: Ok, but are they CUP contenders????

Samuelsson: They player hard, but with skill.........

That's hilarious at a sad, sad level. > >

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I like how he avoided that question:

Reporter: Do you think the Canucks are cup contenders?

Samuelsson: They play hard but with skill

Reporter: Yeah, but are they cup contenders?

Samuelsson: They play similar puck possession game as Detroit

Reporter: Ok, but are they CUP contenders????

Samuelsson: They player hard, but with skill.........

Except that wasn't the question.

The question was, and I'll quote directly - "Coming to a team that hasn't gotten out of the second round of the playoffs in a long time, and I know you haven't been in the dressing room yet. But what attracted you to this team to make you think that they're capable of making a run in the Stanley Cup playoffs".

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07-03-2009, 02:25 PM
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should we forfeit the season y/n
Really though - if this is the bold moves that Gillis was going to make to put together a winning team, I'd have rather seen them blow it up and start over. Luongo could be dealt for a Kings Ransom. Picks and players. Start with Schneider, Edler, Kesler and Burrows and build from there. Follow the BlackHawks plan. Be bad for 2 or 3 years to get REALLY good down the road.

With the twins as the first line - the team really needed an explosive second line to be any kind of a cup contender. Samuelsson in your top 6 pretty much eliminates that possibility.

I am really totally disappointed here. Brutal move. Terrible.

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