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07-03-2009, 11:39 PM
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Roster Projections - Fill in the blanks

Well the team is starting to round out a bit.

Here's what I posted in the Smyth thread, everyone can fill in their own blanks, and we can update this thread if anymore signings or trades take place for an easy reference.

Soooo,

Smyth (6.25) - Kopi (6.8) - Williams (3.5)
Frolov (2.9) - Stoll (3.6) - Brown (3.175)
XXX (??) - Handzus (4) - Simmonds (.585 - bonus + .237)
XXX (??) - XXX (??) - XXX (??)

Doughty (.875 - bonus + 2.6) - Scuderi (3.4)
Greene (2.95) - OD (1.25)
Johnson (??) - XXX

Quick (.77)
Ersberg (.75)

Buyouts - 1.7
Cap hit - 42.465 without bonus - 45.332 with all bonus
Players remaining - 5 + press box fillers.

I'd say this is the known line-up as of now. The other spots are really up for grabs in camp.

For easy reference, players to choose from:

Lewis (.765 - bonus + .09)
Richardson (.588)
Purcell (??)
Moller (.663 - bonus + .212)
Ivanans (.600)
Westgarth (has this been released yet??)
Zeiler (.544)
Harrold (.583)
Clune (.675)
Cliche (.850)
Drewiske (.525)
Hickey (1.346)
Voynov (.875)
Martinez (.875)


You've got ~10 mill (~14 with cushion) to get er done, so... get er done!


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07-03-2009, 11:43 PM
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I doubt Lewis takes the starting 4th line center position unless he amazes at camp...you're more likely to see Richardson there.

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07-03-2009, 11:49 PM
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I doubt Lewis takes the starting 4th line center position unless he amazes at camp...you're more likely to see Richardson there.
Thanks, forgot about Richardson. Updated.

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07-03-2009, 11:52 PM
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I doubt Lewis takes the starting 4th line center position unless he amazes at camp...you're more likely to see Richardson there.
I disagree. In the little time Lewis was on the team, he did more than Richardson ever has. Of course he has to make a good showing at camp but it's his spot to lose IMO.

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Smyth (6.25) - Kopi (6.8) - Williams (3.5)
Frolov (2.9) - Stoll (3.6) - Brown (3.175)
Purcell (1) - Handzus (4) - Simmonds (.822)
Ivanans (.6) - Lewis (.855) - Zeiler (.543)

extras
Richardson (.587)
Clune (.625)

Doughty (3.475) - Scuderi (3.4)
Greene (2.95) - OD (1.25)
Johnson (2.5) - Hickey (1.345)

extra

Harrold (.583)

Quick (.77)
Ersberg (.75)

Buyouts: $1.7M

Cap Hit: $53.98M

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Smyth - Kopitar - Williams
Moller - Stoll - Brown
Frolov - Handzus - Simmonds
Ivanans - Richardson - Lewis

Doughty - Scuderi
Johnson - Greene
O'Donnel - Drewiske

I see TM going back to frolov on the stopper unit, as well to spread out the scoring and the grit b/w the top 3 lines. But then again, this is TM & the kings, we're lucky to have the same lines for more than 2 games in a row. And i keep moller up in the bigs because i just flat out think the guy is awesome. Hope he comes into camp even more ready then last year.

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Moller in Manchester?

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I disagree. In the little time Lewis was on the team, he did more than Richardson ever has. Of course he has to make a good showing at camp but it's his spot to lose IMO.
Remember, we are evaluating a 4th line center here. As a 4th line center your job is to forecheck the hell out of the other team and not screw up. That's it. Lewis was not drafted to be a depth player and is not suited to that role.

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Smyth (6.25) - Kopi (6.8) - Williams (3.5)
Frolov (2.9) - Stoll (3.6) - Brown (3.175)
Purcell (1) - Handzus (4) - Simmonds (.822)
Ivanans (.6) - Lewis (.855) - Zeiler (.543)

extras
Richardson (.587)
Clune (.625)

Doughty (3.475) - Scuderi (3.4)
Greene (2.95) - OD (1.25)
Johnson (2.5) - Hickey (1.345)

extra

Harrold (.583)

Quick (.77)
Ersberg (.75)

Buyouts: $1.7M

Cap Hit: $53.98M
Zeiler out
Moller in

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There are many questions to ask before you can make a viable lineup at this point.

Moller or Purcell? Or both? And where do they fit best? Can Purcell play a 3rd line role? Would it be a waste to plug either into the 4th line?

Where does Richardson fit in? He played well with Zus and Simmer for a while but can we rely on that to continue?

Not to mention there ought to be a couple camp surprises. I don't think the D is quite as hard to predict though. It's a battle between Hickey and Drewiske for the 6th spot now. I see Hickey winning primarily because TM may want to make up in offense what we lost by giving away Quincey.

Anyway, this is a tad premature since the trade hasn't been completely cleared yet. We'll look like buffoons, coming up with lineups and cap figures and then having the trade fall apart. Let's just pray it doesn't come to that.

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Zeiler out
Moller in
The only reason I did that is because Zeiler must clear waivers while Moller does not....but it would not change the cap hit significantly either way.

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Remember, we are evaluating a 4th line center here. As a 4th line center your job is to forecheck the hell out of the other team and not screw up. That's it. Lewis was not drafted to be a depth player and is not suited to that role.
He may not have been drafted for that purpose but he has been exceptional in that role as a matter of fact. With the wealth of talented centers like Loktionov and Schenn in the wings, can we really expect Lewis to beat them out for the 2nd line center job (as that is his intended role)? I doubt it. He will most likely settle in to the 3rd line in the future and will have to play a similar physical game and there's nothing wrong with that. The guy is a workhorse and deserves NHL minutes, even though they may be in limited capacity.

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You're worried about losing Zeiler?

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There are many questions to ask before you can make a viable lineup at this point.

Moller or Purcell? Or both? And where do they fit best? Can Purcell play a 3rd line role? Would it be a waste to plug either into the 4th line?

Where does Richardson fit in? He played well with Zus and Simmer for a while but can we rely on that to continue?

Not to mention there ought to be a couple camp surprises. I don't think the D is quite as hard to predict though. It's a battle between Hickey and Drewiske for the 6th spot now. I see Hickey winning primarily because TM may want to make up in offense what we lost by giving away Quincey.

Anyway, this is a tad premature since the trade hasn't been completely cleared yet. We'll look like buffoons, coming up with lineups and cap figures and then having the trade fall apart. Let's just pray it doesn't come to that.
If the trade falls through more important people than us are going to look like buffoons.

The point is that the spots I put in are locks out of camp. Those players have those spots and aren't going to lose them to a rookie. The idea is it is a template for throughout the season for anyone to make their own line up without having to search around for cap hits and stuff. Kind of like Telos' thread, but focused on line ups... basically who you think makes it out of camp, what you are hoping for, etc.

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You're worried about losing Zeiler?
Me? no

Dean? I am not sure....he must have liked him enough to give him that deal.

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If the trade falls through more important people than us are going to look like buffoons.
That's the whole point of the physical. Remember, Ryan Smyth is a well used pony himself. We'll see how his head is holding up after his KO he suffered last season.

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If the trade falls through more important people than us are going to look like buffoons.

The point is that the spots I put in are locks out of camp. Those players have those spots and aren't going to lose them to a rookie. The idea is it is a template for throughout the season for anyone to make their own line up without having to search around for cap hits and stuff. Kind of like Telos' thread, but focused on line ups... basically who you think makes it out of camp, what you are hoping for, etc.
Ooh I gotcha. I thought this was just another "make your own lineup mishmosh" thread. Nifty idea though.

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That's the whole point of the physical. Remember, Ryan Smyth is a well used pony himself. We'll see how his head is holding up after his KO he suffered last season.
I am a bit concerned about the physical, on both ends.

Ryan's head, Preissing's vertigo, Kyle's back...

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The only reason I did that is because Zeiler must clear waivers ...
you act like that would be hard for Zeiler to do ? and even if he doesn't


Frolov - Kopitar - Brown
Smyth - Stoll - Williams
Purcell/Moller/? - Handzus - Simmonds
Ivanans - Lewis/Richardson - Zeiler

Doughty - Greene
Johnson - Scuderi
Hickey/Drewiske/? - O'Donnell
Harrold

Quick
Ersberg


It doesn't look like enough to compete, just yet, so I'm thinking Dean's not done ? He'll upgrade the 3rd and/or 4th lines with someone, and maybe even another D man ?
IMO from Deans interviews, I think he would 'Like' {not saying it'll happen} to have enough working that he can send Moller to Manchester, and also let Hickey spend another year developing there.


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I am a bit concerned about the physical, on both ends.

Ryan's head, Preissing's vertigo, Kyle's back...
Coincidentally Rich Hammond just asked DL about this, its on INSIDE THE KINGS.

Question: If there's any hesitation with Smyth, it might be with the risk of him getting hurt because of the way he plays. Any concern there?

LOMBARDI: ``That's why this deal is contingent on physicals. And remember, there's the issue with Quincey and his back also. The hardest part was getting the language on the physicals. When he was asked to waive his (no-trade) clause today, it was no problem. That was a good sign. But to make sure that everything is in order physically, we have to be protected. Ryan reminds me a little of Mike Ricci. Guys like Ryan Smyth are not going to be totally healthy. They play hurt. I had a similar issue when I traded for Mike Ricci. These guys take such a beating, but if they train properly, they're OK. Ricci was great for me and I had no problems with him. When I got him, it was a concern. He would stand in front of the net, and the rules hadn't changed yet so you could really pound on him there. It's impossible for him to be a perfect specimen. Then again, if you're a perfect specimen at 33. you've probably been playing on the perimeter and you're not the kind of guy we want. Our doctors will check him out He's coming in Sunday so they will get him all checked out.''

http://www.insidesocal.com/kings/200...-on-smyth.html

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you act like that would be hard for Zeiler to do ? and even if he doesn't
Well for some reason Dean likes him....so I am not sure he would risk it.

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The 4th line center job is Lewis' to lose, similar to Boyle last year.

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Smyth Kopi Williams
Frolov Stoll Brown
Lewis Handzus Simmonds
Westgarth Cliche Clune

I say let Mr. Moller get 1st line minutes in Manchester. He'll bulk up a bit this offseason then dominate in the AHL for a season. Then 2 seasons from now he'll be more then ready to step in as a top 6 forward. I really like Ted Purcell but I don't believe he can play anywhere but the top 2 lines. Possibly put him with Stoll and Brown and move Frolov back to the Handzus line. Moving Lewis to the Handzus line will add some more speed and skill to that line. Lewis is a hardworker as well and can definitely play in a bottom 6 role. Solid 3rd line indeed. I don't think Richardson will be on next years club. I plugged Cliche in for now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see another bottom 6 depth signing. Clune will surprise and make the club. Before his injury last preseason he was looking good. Similar player to Lappy. I like Raitis but I do believe Westgarth is ready for the big time. Great fighter!

It's a shame to leave Purcell off, but I believe he needs to show up to camp ready to play this year. Has loads of potential so lets hope he pulls through. Reminds me of a bigger Alex Tanguay.

Doughty OD
Johnson Greene
Hickey Scuderi

Harrold
DD

DD looked outstanding in his brief call up late last season. I do believe Hickey is going to have an amazing camp but we'll see. It's never a bad thing to have Depth on D. ^_^


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Quick
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Bernier will star in Manchester. This young depth is outstanding.
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Smyth - Kopitar - Brown
Moller - Stoll - Williams
Frolov - Handzus - Simmonds
Ivanans/Westgarth - Lewis - Richardson/Harrold

Doughty - Scuderi
Johnson - Greene
O'Donnell - Hickey
Harrold/Drewiske

I also feel that Murray will try and spread the offense. And Smyth >>>>>>>>>> Calder.

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Since there was a lot of bonus talk, I took out the bonus and updated it to show both numbers with both cap hits.

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