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07-03-2009, 11:38 AM
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Bill Belichik
Joe Torre
Scotty Bowman
Al Arbour
Tom Landry
Chuck Noll

How many would you like?
I wouldn't categorize Belichick as polite.

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07-03-2009, 11:48 AM
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Oh man, its hilarious when LeGreca and Kay were talking after Tortarella hung up...

LeGreca knows his ****, but Kay (knows jack sht about NHL) kept comparing it to the Yankees and baseball

"Oh like the injury Arod and Lowell had. Theyve struggled at times."

"Like when Roger Clemens came back to the Yankees and the locker room impact."

Haha.

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07-03-2009, 01:03 PM
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So what if we did something along the lines of (I realize there are NMCs involved and such, but hypothetically):

Drury (+ pick/prospect/Korpikoski) for Jack Johnson's rights + Stoll

Roszival + Sanguinetti + Stoll for B. Richards + Grossman/Robidas


Callahan - Richards - Gaborik
Avery - Dubinsky - Higgins
Grachev - Anisimov - Zherdev
Brashear - Boyle - Byers
Staal - Johnson
Redden - Gilroy
Girardi - Grossman

Edit: Fixed - forgot to remove Dru from lines.


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So what if we did something along the lines of (I realize there are NMCs involved and such, but hypothetically):

Drury (+ pick/prospect/Korpikoski) for Jack Johnson's rights + Stoll

Roszival + Sanguinetti + Stoll for B. Richards + Grossman/Robidas


Callahan - Richards - Gaborik
Avery - Drury - Dubinsky
Grachev - Anisimov - Zherdev
Brashear - Boyle - Byers
Staal - Johnson
Redden - Gilroy
Girardi - Grossman
u traded drury and hes in ur line up

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07-03-2009, 01:21 PM
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u traded drury and hes in ur line up
Yeah, total brainfart because I left out Higgins too. Shift over Dubinsky and throw Higgins on the wing.

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Hmm, given the connection between Gaborik and Demitra, I wonder what it would take to bring Demitra in as the left-handed center Torts wants.

He only has one year remaining on his contract, and his cap hit is $4M I believe. That isn't a horrible deal for a stopgap player...

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07-03-2009, 10:19 PM
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Bill Belichik
Joe Torre
Scotty Bowman
Al Arbour
Tom Landry
Chuck Noll

How many would you like?
Bowman?
Arbour?
Noll?

Did you actually watch those guys coach?

Landry/Torre - absolutely. That's why I never said ALL, just most.

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07-03-2009, 10:24 PM
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Phil Jackson's a harda$$? Really?

The "soft coaches can't win" argument is cliche and completely false.
How do you define tough? Phil Jackson is a tough coach - managing MASSIVE ego's successfully 9 times, much tougher than Renny who had no concept of accountability.

Say whatever you wish, there are many more tough coaches with rings than guys like Renney. Hell, out of the last 10 Super Bowl's only two winners had "soft" coaches - Vermeil and Dungy. That's 80% tough - 20% soft. But hey, it's "cliche" - whatever.

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07-03-2009, 10:27 PM
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All this running down of Renney is just silly.

I can't take these people seriously.

It was time for a change. A guy like Torts was available and willing. You make the move. Simple.
Can't take people seriously because they disagree with your view of Renney? That's interesting. This is really a strange forum.

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07-03-2009, 11:20 PM
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Hmm, given the connection between Gaborik and Demitra, I wonder what it would take to bring Demitra in as the left-handed center Torts wants.

He only has one year remaining on his contract, and his cap hit is $4M I believe. That isn't a horrible deal for a stopgap player...
No way. Way too soft of a player for Torts. He said this team is still too soft and easy to play against. Demitra doesnt help that.

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07-03-2009, 11:22 PM
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No way. Way too soft of a player for Torts. He said this team is still too soft and easy to play against. Demitra doesnt help that.
Yeah, wouldn't that just be Naslund part deux?

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07-04-2009, 12:25 AM
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How do you define tough? Phil Jackson is a tough coach - managing MASSIVE ego's successfully 9 times, much tougher than Renny who had no concept of accountability.

Say whatever you wish, there are many more tough coaches with rings than guys like Renney. Hell, out of the last 10 Super Bowl's only two winners had "soft" coaches - Vermeil and Dungy. That's 80% tough - 20% soft. But hey, it's "cliche" - whatever.

Why are you comparing football coaches to hockey coaches? Football is very different in the approach to coaching. If you want to make an argument that soft coaches don't work in hockey (since you're referring to Renney) why not reference the past 10 Stanley Cup Champions?

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07-04-2009, 12:29 AM
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Can't take people seriously because they disagree with your view of Renney? That's interesting. This is really a strange forum.
People can disagree all they want. That's why it's a forum.

I was referring to what I consider excessive bashing of Renney by some posters.

This forum is not nearly as strange as some others I've been on, but more civil than most.

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How do you define tough? Phil Jackson is a tough coach - managing MASSIVE ego's successfully 9 times, much tougher than Renny who had no concept of accountability.

Say whatever you wish, there are many more tough coaches with rings than guys like Renney. Hell, out of the last 10 Super Bowl's only two winners had "soft" coaches - Vermeil and Dungy. That's 80% tough - 20% soft. But hey, it's "cliche" - whatever.
Knowing how to manage large ego's doesn't mean that your a tough coach. Joe Torre managed huge ego's throughout his career with the Yankees and I wouldn't categorize him as being the type of "tough" you seem to be talking about. Just because Phil Jackson was successful with star players and strong personalities it doesn't necessarily mean that he went about his business as a "harda$$" which is what you initially referred to him as.

As for managing ego's, Renney arguably managed the two biggest ego's in hockey quite successfully at the same time: Sean Avery and Jaromir Jagr. Actually, Renney is probably the only coach who can truly say that he came away from Jagr with a very positive relationship.

Throwing chairs doesn't make you a good coach. Refusing to throw chairs doesn't make you a bad one.

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