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07-02-2009, 04:42 PM
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Montreal was sold for that amount reportedly so I figure Canucks are worth a similar amount. Forum is included in the Montreal transaction.
You think the Canucks are worth as much as the Montreal Canadiens?

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You think the Canucks are worth as much as the Montreal Canadiens?
I think I just said that, no?

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I think I just said that, no?
I think you are mistaken

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http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/31/...ons_Value.html

3 Montreal Canadiens 334
8 Vancouver Canucks 236


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I think you are mistaken

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Here's forbes NHL team value estimate from last year

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3 Montreal Canadiens 334
8 Vancouver Canucks 236
its just an opinion. its mine and i'm sticking with it.

does that include the buildings? if so, they were off by $200M on Montreal so ...

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its just an opinion. its mine and i'm sticking with it.

does that include the buildings? if so, they were off by $200M on Montreal so ...
I am of the opinion that the peach I have is worth 1 billion dollars.

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I am of the opinion that the peach I have is worth 1 billion dollars.
I'll take it!

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I am of the opinion that the peach I have is worth 1 billion dollars.
have you checked if your peach is rotten? Its my opinion that it is. in which case it has negative value and is a liability not an asset.

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You do know opinions can be wrong? They aren't infallible.

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You do know opinions can be wrong? They aren't infallible.
most of the time

The Times of London reported that the Montreal Canadiens and building were sold for $330M British Pounds which at today's exchange rate equates to $539M US or $625M Canadian. Even a 20% discount from this puts the Canucks (and building) as being worth $500M Canadian. Spending 3-4M over the cap might make it worth even more.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6549562.ece

The facts support my position I think but then I lose because I let myself get irritated by a peach

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The Times of London reported that the Montreal Canadiens and building were sold for $330M British Pounds which at today's exchange rate equates to $539M US or $625M Canadian. Even a 20% discount from this puts the Canucks (and building) as being worth $500M Canadian. Spending 3-4M over the cap might make it worth even more.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6549562.ece

The facts support my position I think but then I lose because I let myself get irritated by a peach
No the facts do not support your position because you are relying on one hell of an assumption, that the Canucks are worth 20% less than the Habs in a down market.

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No the facts do not support your position because you are relying on one hell of an assumption, that the Canucks are worth 20% less than the Habs in a down market.
Forbes had Canucks worth $98M less than the Habs (I believe their valuation excludes real estate)at the time, that would put the Canucks worth $527M if the real estate is worth the same. Sure Vancouver real estate is in the dumps but I doubt its worth less than Montreal.

If you value the building and land at $200M and you take it out of the Montreal transaction, it means the Molson's bought the team for $427M. If Canucks are worth 70% of that (based on Forbes %), that means Canucks would be worth $300M. + the real estate = $500M. If you put the real estate at $150M, Habs are worth $477M and Canucks are worth $334M + $150M for land and building = $484M.

Did I miss something?

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Forbes had Canucks worth $98M less than the Habs (I believe their valuation excludes real estate)at the time, that would put the Canucks worth $527M if the real estate is worth the same. Sure Vancouver real estate is in the dumps but I doubt its worth less than Montreal.

If you value the building and land at $200M and you take it out of the Montreal transaction, it means the Molson's bought the team for $427M. If Canucks are worth 70% of that (based on Forbes %), that means Canucks would be worth $300M. + the real estate = $500M. If you put the real estate at $150M, Habs are worth $477M and Canucks are worth $334M + $150M for land and building = $484M.

Did I miss something?
yes but I don't want to explain how they get their numbers, which numbers they are and how the values reported are different from the expected and actual values. Suffice to say, Vancouver Canucks value (and owner value) took a significantly greater dip in value compared to the MC.

ie: asset =/= equity, you are confusing the two.

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yes but I don't want to explain how they get their numbers, which numbers they are and how the values reported are different from the expected and actual values. Suffice to say, Vancouver Canucks value (and owner value) took a significantly greater dip in value compared to the MC.

ie: asset =/= equity, you are confusing the two.
Thats a pretty handy way to end an argument right there.

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Closing this thread as there is an active thread on the Sedin Twins discussing and debating their validity and worth to the team and how they are currently playing.

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