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Henrik Sedin vs. Mikko Koivu (next season)

View Poll Results: who will be better in next season?
Henrik Sedin 71 52.59%
Mikko Koivu 64 47.41%
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06-26-2009, 03:22 PM
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people people. he didnt ask who will score more points. that obviously will be sedin

who will be the better player? obviously koivu.

you can use him 5v5, he is the captain, on PK, on PP, anywhere
Henrik Sedin has shown he can play 5v5, on the PP, and on the PK.

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06-26-2009, 03:23 PM
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how good is henrik without daniel?

just wondering

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Why do people say that Henrik is mediocre in 2/3 of the ice? That just isn't true. For an offensive star, he's actually quite solid in the other zones.
Without Burrows on his line AV would never go head to head against top lines and for good reason. He and his brother don't have the foot speed to be great two way players.

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06-27-2009, 03:02 PM
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how good is henrik without daniel?

just wondering
oh right, on HF Henrik Sedin goes from being a centerman who is capable of hitting 70 assists and finishing top 5-10 in the league turns to crap when he doesn't play with brother.

Despite the fact that there is no evidence of this whatsoever and there won't be barring a long term injury to his brother (one of the most durable players in the entire league).

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Without Burrows on his line AV would never go head to head against top lines and for good reason. He and his brother don't have the foot speed to be great two way players.
um... smarts? positioning? good stickwork?

Sedins aren't fantastic two way players like zetterberg, kesler, richards, or Koivu. They are solid players in their own end.

Oh, and AV would sometimes go head to head depending on the team the canucks were playing. Usually that job would go to their Selke nominated teammate though.

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06-27-2009, 06:20 PM
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The Sedins' are actually way above average defensively. They aren't very fast but their positioning is almost perfect. Often when AV has them out on the PK, they begin a shorthanded cycle in the offensive zone that kills 10-20 seconds of the powerplay. They aren't on Zetterberg or Datsyuk's level, but they are no slouches in their own end either.

Offensively there's no contest, Henrik is miles ahead. To put it in perspective, Henrik's career high in assists (71) is 4 more than Mikko's career high in points (67).

Character-wise, I don't think it is a very good comparison. The Canucks gave captaincy to our franchise player. The Wild used to have a captaincy rotation, and settled on Koivu after Gaborik was injured long-term.

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06-27-2009, 06:38 PM
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how good is henrik without daniel?

just wondering
How good would Henrik be with Ovechkin as his left winger and not Daniel?

Just wondering.

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06-27-2009, 08:28 PM
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How good would Henrik be with Ovechkin as his left winger and not Daniel?

Just wondering.
Good point well made.

I actually think the fact that the Sedins are ginger actually has a lot to do with their unpopularity. The number of kids with a Sedin poster on their wall is bound to be limited.

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06-27-2009, 10:13 PM
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Good point well made.

I actually think the fact that the Sedins are ginger actually has a lot to do with their unpopularity. The number of kids with a Sedin poster on their wall is bound to be limited.
never thought of this.

although that coupled with the fact that you always see two of them just might explain it.

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06-27-2009, 10:18 PM
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Good point well made.

I actually think the fact that the Sedins are ginger actually has a lot to do with their unpopularity. The number of kids with a Sedin poster on their wall is bound to be limited.
Daniel Alfredsson is 10 times uglier than either of them, and that doesnt affect his popularity seemingly.

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06-27-2009, 10:26 PM
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Henrik for me.

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06-28-2009, 02:35 PM
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Offensively there's no contest, Henrik is miles ahead. To put it in perspective, Henrik's career high in assists (71) is 4 more than Mikko's career high in points (67).
That's not putting it in perspective. Henrik's career high in points is 15 better than Mikko's. And that's without considering the quality of their linemates.

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That's not putting it in perspective. Henrik's career high in points is 15 better than Mikko's. And that's without considering the quality of their linemates.
true. It just struck me that rather than questioning if henrik can play without Daniel it would be better to ask how well Koivu would perform consistently playing with a PPG 30G linemate. Gaborik is injured too often to really tell anything.

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Hank is all of that, except for a captain.

Saying Sedin is "mediocre" on 2/3's of the ice is laughable. He and his brother are the reason why the Canucks had one of the best PK in the league a couple of seasons ago.
And Koivu is the reason that the Wild have been top 5 in penalty killing for the past 5 years. Koivu has shown huge offensive upside in the past 2 years and has dominated every zone of the ice. Koivu has a much greater impact on his team then Henrik does. Take away Koivu and the Wild would have been competing with the islanders last year.

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Daniel Alfredsson is 10 times uglier than either of them, and that doesnt affect his popularity seemingly.
Well there's two of them and that probably makes it worse. Plus even though I really rate the Sedins, they are not as good as Alfie and IMO he doesn't have as annoying a look about him as these too.

I have friends who aren't really into hockey who really despise them.

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And Koivu is the reason that the Wild have been top 5 in penalty killing for the past 5 years. Koivu has shown huge offensive upside in the past 2 years and has dominated every zone of the ice. Koivu has a much greater impact on his team then Henrik does. Take away Koivu and the Wild would have been competing with the islanders last year.
That doesn't prove anything.

We're talking about Sedins play on 2/3 of the ice. Not about Koivu's PK.

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06-28-2009, 08:22 PM
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I watch both players tons of times every year and i'm going with Henrik Sedin. He's everything Koivu is and more. Puts up 80+points, plays defence, not a liability of the ice, and he's not dirty. Koivu does do it all as well, but the offence isn't there. Henrik Sedin is just the overall better player. You can make a case by saying that the Wild are nothing without Koivu, but you can make that case for any good player on a bad team. Now the poll asks next season. I'd say Henrik Sedin. I'm betting money next season is his prime season, and if he and his brother find the perfect linemate, they will both put up 100+ points or close to.

Henrik would be #1 center on the Wild if he played there.

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06-29-2009, 04:10 PM
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That doesn't prove anything.

We're talking about Sedins play on 2/3 of the ice. Not about Koivu's PK.
Read the first page and what I quoted. If Canuck fans are going to point out how great Sedin is because the Canuck's PK was pretty good more than 5 years ago, then its pretty pertinent that the Wild's PK has been better due to Koivu.

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I watch both players tons of times every year and i'm going with Henrik Sedin. He's everything Koivu is and more. Puts up 80+points, plays defence, not a liability of the ice, and he's not dirty. Koivu does do it all as well, but the offence isn't there. Henrik Sedin is just the overall better player. You can make a case by saying that the Wild are nothing without Koivu, but you can make that case for any good player on a bad team. Now the poll asks next season. I'd say Henrik Sedin. I'm betting money next season is his prime season, and if he and his brother find the perfect linemate, they will both put up 100+ points or close to.

Henrik would be #1 center on the Wild if he played there.
Ugh good player on a bad team?!? We missed the playoffs be 2 points without one of the most prolific players in the league last year and won the Division the year before. What did the Canucks do that year? I guess the Sedins were just good players on a bad team so that's why they put up those points. Also the points comparison is poor as Mikko is still developing while Henrik has already hit his prime. Following Mikko's progression in the past two years, I feel like he has a pretty good chance of eclipsing Henrik's points this year, while playing this teams primary shutdown role as well.

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06-29-2009, 09:08 PM
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Koivu is already better, so next year should be no contest. Koivu was a PPG player for over half the 2008-09 season while playing with Brunette and Miettinen as his best linemates. I'd like to see how Henrik Sedin would be a PPG player without someone always potting the goal for him so he can rack up the assist. And in this case it's a player his equal. Koivu has never had that luxury, aside from a few games with Gaborik, in which he was yet again a PPG player.

Couple Koivu's equal offensive abilities (Koivu is a better goal scorer) with vastly superior defense, and it shows this poll result as a joke.

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hFboards crack me up.

The Sedins get constantly smashed because they suck, can't play defence and are overrated. No one wants them on their team.

Yet when comparisons like this come around, they say their only good because of each other, but again when its time to attack, they say both suck?

Oh right, by HFboards standard, Henrik is playing with a crappy overrated player the entire year, yet he is still able to finish 15th in scoring the NHL.

Henrik Sedin is the better player.

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Offense - Henrik but not by much
Defense - Koivu (Henrik is good too but not good enough)
Physicality - Even i guess
Leadership - Koivu

Its very tough to say who is better, but i would definitely take Koivu over Sedin any day of the week. He just has that desire to win, gives his all every shift and he has that special passion for the game many players dont have.
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I found Koivu to be very inconsistent offensively last season

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Koivu is already better, so next year should be no contest. Koivu was a PPG player for over half the 2008-09 season while playing with Brunette and Miettinen as his best linemates. I'd like to see how Henrik Sedin would be a PPG player without someone always potting the goal for him so he can rack up the assist. And in this case it's a player his equal. Koivu has never had that luxury, aside from a few games with Gaborik, in which he was yet again a PPG player.

Couple Koivu's equal offensive abilities (Koivu is a better goal scorer) with vastly superior defense, and it shows this poll result as a joke.
thats interesting that an equal offensvie player had fewer goals and his career high in points is less than henriks career high in assists.

Also, he managed to be PPG for half the season then finish 12 points under? Guess he had a pretty mediocre to bad other half then.

You can say Koivu is still developing, but Henrik had 71 points in when he was 25 (4 more points, 2 less goals than Koivu this year) and then stepped up with 81 points and 71 assists (4th in the league, behind thornton, crosby, and savard). Until Koivu can match or exceed tha Henrik is the better offensive player.

Defensively it's Koivu, but Henrik isn't bad. Certainly not a ilability. So unless you think Koivu can preven enough goals to make up for the offensive gap Henrik is the better player.

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Henrik has no chance next season.

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The signing of Havlat will help Mikko out a lot

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