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07-07-2009, 04:31 PM
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number 3 on the Predators does not = number 3 on most teams. Dan Hamhuis is a number 2 defenseman on most teams. A Chara\Hamhuis pairing would be very, very good.

And for crying out loud, he's UFA in a year. He makes 2.5 now, he'll likely make 4 or 4.5 on his next contract. It's not like you can't sign him long-term between now and then.
He's #3 in Boston as well.

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07-07-2009, 04:33 PM
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If I'm Nashville, I'd offer Hamhuis + 1st in 2010.

Gives Boston the Dman they're searching for, plus at least 2.5 million in cap relief. Preds 1st in 2010 could be anywhere from #1-20.

BOS could probably sign Hamhuis to an extension ~4 million. His increase could be funded by the departure of Ward in 2010.

Preds would be very hesitant to add Kessel's price tag. They'd almost certainly have to move Erat, Legwand, or Dumont (although all three have NTC). Wilson-Kessel could be a nice pairing.
Is it really that hard to understand? BOSTON DOESN'T HAVE THE CAP ROOM TO EXTEND HAMHUIS UNLESS HE SIGNS AT THE SAME PRICE AS NOW. Which isn't going to happen. They have to sign Savard, Wheeler, Lucic and Rash next year with the first 3 due for large raises and Rask probably due for a smaller raise. With the cap already coming down.

A year of Hamhuis + a pick isn't enough for Kessel

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07-07-2009, 04:33 PM
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He's #3 in Boston as well.
I don't agree that he'd be behind Wideman, but that's me.

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07-07-2009, 04:35 PM
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Is it really that hard to understand? BOSTON DOESN'T HAVE THE CAP ROOM TO EXTEND HAMHUIS UNLESS HE SIGNS AT THE SAME PRICE AS NOW. Which isn't going to happen. They have to sign Savard, Wheeler, Lucic and Rash next year with the first 3 due for large raises and Rask probably due for a smaller raise. With the cap already coming down.

A year of Hamhuis + a pick isn't enough for Kessel
then what's all this "let's trade Kessel for Kaberle" talk?

Kaberle is ALREADY making more than what Hamhuis will likely get.

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07-07-2009, 04:37 PM
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Is it really that hard to understand? BOSTON DOESN'T HAVE THE CAP ROOM TO EXTEND HAMHUIS UNLESS HE SIGNS AT THE SAME PRICE AS NOW. Which isn't going to happen. They have to sign Savard, Wheeler, Lucic and Rash next year with the first 3 due for large raises and Rask probably due for a smaller raise. With the cap already coming down.

A year of Hamhuis + a pick isn't enough for Kessel
Yes, it is hard to understand.

Why were they trading for Kaberele with a cap hit of 4.25? Was he going to take a paycut of 2 million in 2010?

TYPING IN BIG WORDS MAKES MY POINT SEEM BETTER THAN IT IS.

Edit: Looks like barrytrotzneck already made the kaberle point. MAYBE DUPLICATE POSTS WILL EQUATE TO ALL CAP POSTS

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then what's all this "let's trade Kessel for Kaberle" talk?

Kaberle is ALREADY making more than what Hamhuis will likely get.
1. Because Kaberle is better than Hamhuis, no matter how much Toronto fans overrate him.

2. He is locked up for 2 more years.

3. That trade would have only gone through if Boston got another HUGE asset in the 7th overall pick.

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07-07-2009, 04:48 PM
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1. Because Kaberle is better than Hamhuis, no matter how much Toronto fans overrate him.

2. He is locked up for 2 more years.

3. That trade would have only gone through if Boston got another HUGE asset in the 7th overall pick.
But you said Boston wouldn't do it because they didn't have the cap space for Hamhuis. Where did the cap space come from to accommodate Kaberele?

Boston has a ton of assets. They have already made it known they are willing to move Kessel for a defensive upgrade. They are going to have to make some decisions on how to make more cap room down the road, which may mean moving name(s) like Sturm, Rask, Bergeron, etc.

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07-07-2009, 05:14 PM
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1. Because Kaberle is better than Hamhuis, no matter how much Toronto fans overrate him.

2. He is locked up for 2 more years.

3. That trade would have only gone through if Boston got another HUGE asset in the 7th overall pick.
As someone who has watched a ton of Leafs games in the past few years, I have to disagree. I would take Hamhuis over Kabs. Kaberle may be a bigger name, but Hamhuis has that better breakout pass-type mentality which the Bruins need right now... for ~2 mil less. Albeit for one year less on the contract, which in my opinion is a big problem. If he can be extended in any way, I think Chia would be all over this.

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07-07-2009, 05:22 PM
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As someone who has watched a ton of Leafs games in the past few years, I have to disagree. I would take Hamhuis over Kabs. Kaberle may be a bigger name, but Hamhuis has that better breakout pass-type mentality which the Bruins need right now... for ~2 mil less. Albeit for one year less on the contract, which in my opinion is a big problem. If he can be extended in any way, I think Chia would be all over this.
Perhaps more important is that Hamhuis is 6 years younger, just entering his prime. Kaberle's not old per say, but players become unpredictable in their 30's. But yeah, I think Boston only does it if they feel confident they can get Hamhuis signed to a reasonable extension (~4 million). Chara-Wideman-Hamhuis would be a solid core for the forseable future.


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As someone who has watched a ton of Leafs games in the past few years, I have to disagree. I would take Hamhuis over Kabs. Kaberle may be a bigger name, but Hamhuis has that better breakout pass-type mentality which the Bruins need right now... for ~2 mil less. Albeit for one year less on the contract, which in my opinion is a big problem. If he can be extended in any way, I think Chia would be all over this.
If we're talking value as a player, I believe Hamhuis has more value because he is cheaper and nearly as good. But I would take Kaberle's play over Hamhuis 7 times out of 10.

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switch Hamhuis and picks we dont need for Weber and we have a deal.
so you dont need alot of 1st's i assume?

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Is it really that hard to understand? BOSTON DOESN'T HAVE THE CAP ROOM TO EXTEND HAMHUIS UNLESS HE SIGNS AT THE SAME PRICE AS NOW. Which isn't going to happen. They have to sign Savard, Wheeler, Lucic and Rash next year with the first 3 due for large raises and Rask probably due for a smaller raise. With the cap already coming down.

A year of Hamhuis + a pick isn't enough for Kessel
Wait, I'm confused. Who is being rash?

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