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07-07-2009, 04:30 PM
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No matter how you construct the lines it looks like there is no less than 2 guys who shouldn't be on the top two lines of an NHL team.

The defense leaves an awful lot to be desired too.

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07-07-2009, 04:35 PM
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No matter how you construct the lines it looks like there is no less than 2 guys who shouldn't be on the top two lines of an NHL team.

The defense leaves an awful lot to be desired too.
I find that bit funny, because defense is our strength at the moment.

Haha, we are sooo ****ed.

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07-07-2009, 04:40 PM
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I find that bit funny, because defense is our strength at the moment.

Haha, we are sooo ****ed.
I've been laughing at the notion that defense is a strong part of the team. Did people see these guys play last year? Kyle Quincey and Tom Preissing aren't going to fix the problems on D.

I'm not saying that Quincey isn't a good addition just that there was quite a bit wrong with the back end last year.

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07-07-2009, 04:40 PM
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No matter how you construct the lines it looks like there is no less than 2 guys who shouldn't be on the top two lines of an NHL team.

The defense leaves an awful lot to be desired too.
No worries, Sacco is familiar with players that should play a league lower.

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07-07-2009, 04:41 PM
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No worries, Sacco is familiar with players that should play a league lower.

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07-07-2009, 04:44 PM
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If these guys work their butts off every night it will at least be fun to watch the young guys play. We'll be like the oilers of a few years ago.

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07-07-2009, 04:47 PM
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Assuming Joe really is gone and it certainly appears that way right now and assuming that we don't sign a top 6 forward and most of y'all get your way with Duchene not sticking after his 9 game tryout....

Stoa-Stastny-Svatos
Hejduk-Wolski-Stewart
Galiardi-Hensick-Jones
McLeod-?-Tucker

You could flip Stoa and Galiardi and even throw McLeod onto the third line but I really believe Hejduk is seeing some serious time off-wing in 09-10. I don't think either Stoa or Galiardi are ready for 1st line minutes but this team is getting younger and it may be painful to watch them grow at first but the time is right. Do it now and let them get seasoned while Duchene is dominating the OHL. When Duchene comes up they should both be much better suited to NHL and it will make things easier in 10-11. I also think we'll see doubleshifting of Hejduk, Stastny and possibly Wolski. These lines are going to be fluid next season.

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07-07-2009, 04:50 PM
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If these guys work their butts off every night it will at least be fun to watch the young guys play. We'll be like the oilers of a few years ago.
How did Oilers do then Standings wise?

I'm looking forward to see Duschene, Stoa, Stewart, Galiardi, Cumiskey etc.. play.

It won't be pretty, but at least we'll know if one of these guys can become really good. I'm also expecting Svatos and Wolski take the next step, I don't think they have hit their max. potential yet. Especially Wolski!

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07-07-2009, 04:52 PM
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If these guys work their butts off every night it will at least be fun to watch the young guys play. We'll be like the oilers of a few years ago.
More like the Monsters of the last two seasons.

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07-07-2009, 04:54 PM
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No worries, Sacco is familiar with players that should play a league lower.
Sacco's record with Monsters: bottom 5 both of the times. He might be familiar with players from league lower, but he's no good at it.

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How did Oilers do then Standings wise?
Not great.

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07-07-2009, 04:58 PM
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Sacco's record with Monsters: bottom 5 both of the times. He might be familiar with players from league lower, but he's no good at it.
To be honest, I fell bad for the guy. He had not a lot to work with in Lake Erie and now he's pretty much set up to fail again.

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To be honest, I fell bad for the guy. He had not a lot to work with in Lake Erie and now he's pretty much set up to fail again.
Thanks for the laughs!

While I can't say I fell for the guy, I can say that I feel bad for him.

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07-07-2009, 05:19 PM
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I see the start of the 2009-2010 season as the biggest thing that could destroy our next season
lol, here we come Mr. Hall. Are you ready to join Duchene, Stastny and Wolski?

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It's an awfully young team up front. They have loads of potential, but whether they make good on it or not will be interesting.

I mean 9 of our 12 forwards our under 27 (and only Svatos is that old).

In fact, our average age up front, including Hejduk and Tucker, is 24.72.
Wow, that's really young. I guess its a good way to get them experience and let them grow at the NHL level.

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07-07-2009, 05:54 PM
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To be honest, I fell bad for the guy. He had not a lot to work with in Lake Erie and now he's pretty much set up to fail again.
Well, I don't think management is going to expect much from him either. That's why he wasn't fired from Monsters too.
I mean, team is terrible.. They can't expect him to win anything, so actually he's in position to only succeed.. I think that's good situation to be in. You're not getting fired, even if you don't well, but if you do well you get credit for it. sounds like a good situation to me. No?


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07-07-2009, 06:39 PM
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Depth Chart wise...

...With Smyth being traded for defencemen and Sakic retiring, does this not increase the likelyhood that Duchene will spend next season in an Ave's Jersey?

Or will they protect him and send him back because the team may not be successful for a few years...

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07-07-2009, 06:44 PM
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This should probably go in the lineup thread, but anyways, it should certainly help Duchene's chances, but it will still depend entirely on his performance during training camp/pre season and possibly the 9 game tryout.

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07-07-2009, 06:48 PM
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I think Duchene will play on the second line center but i am not sure.

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07-08-2009, 09:28 AM
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How much cap space do we have left ?

Do we have any money to sign some free agents ?

If so, could we land Alex Tanguay and possibly a third line center (Rob Neidermayer, Manny Malhotra or Blair Betts) AND a second line center (Jason Williams, Saku Koivu, Robert Lang, Mike Comrie) ?

If not, do we have Duchene come on board ?

we could look like this :

Tanguay-Stastny-Hejduk
Wolski-Williams/Koivu/Lang/Comrie/Duchene-Svatos
McLoed-Malhotra/Neidermayer/Betts-Stewart
Tucker-Hensick-Jones

I know the options are that attractive but it looks better than what I've seen so far...

Care to discuss

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07-08-2009, 09:38 AM
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Yeah I can't help but believe they're gonna lure in a UFA to fill Sakic/Smyth's experience shoes.

This team is going to be young and I mean EXTRA young. They're gonna need a 10-15 year vet to step in like Smyth or Sakic was.

Or else this is the Monsters Sr Team

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Yeah I can't help but believe they're gonna lure in a UFA to fill Sakic/Smyth's experience shoes.

This team is going to be young and I mean EXTRA young. They're gonna need a 10-15 year vet to step in like Smyth or Sakic was.

Or else this is the Monsters Sr Team
This team is destined to be one of the worst teams (at least on paper) in recent memory. I look at the roster right now and think early Senators bad. Signing a free agent or two is not even a finger in the dike, it is simply a waste of time. The Avs have only one choice here, get young talent in exchange for their non-core veterans and let the kids hash out who leads the next wave. All this in route to a lottery position next year.

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07-08-2009, 09:46 AM
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There is plenty of cap space left (over 10M) but I highly doubt the Avs will be using much of it. Out of everything you mentioned I could MAYBE see them signing a checking line center, maybe. They are looking to cut salary not add it unfortunately.

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This team is destined to be one of the worst teams (at least on paper) in recent memory. I look at the roster right now and think early Senators bad. Signing a free agent or two is not even a finger in the dike, it is simply a waste of time. The Avs have only one choice here, get young talent in exchange for their non-core veterans and let the kids hash out who leads the next wave. All this in route to a lottery position next year.
Well I agree but getting some veteran forward will really help the developement of Stastny, Galiardi, Stoa, Stewart, Jones, possibly Duchene.

I mean Milan Hejduk is gonna look like the lone baby sitter out there

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I would think it is extremely unlikely that Duchene plays more than 10 games with the Avs next season. They have been extremely patient with their prospects in the past, and I don't see them changing now. I can't remember a single high profile Avs' prospect that ever played the season directly following the draft in which they were selected, and that includes the likes of Tanguay and Wolski.

This is the time for the Avs to play Wolski as 2nd line center, give him a ton of minutes, including on the pp, and find out what they have. It is kind of a make or break season for Wolski in terms of opportunity.

I also believe that Galiardi and Stoa are likely the top 2 LWs now on the team. McLeod would be the third line LW or C, depending on where Tucker plays.

We would have a glut of RWs in Hejduk, Svatos, Jones, and Stewart. It makes me believe that we are likely to see a RW traded before the beginning of the season, most likely Svatos. You do not want Jones or Stewart buried on the 4th line when they could be receiving second or third line minutes and moving along in their development.

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I am going to go out on a limb and say the lines could look like this.

Stoa-Stastny-Hejduk
Duchene-Wolski-Svatos
Stewart-O'Reilly-Jones
Mcleod-Meh-Meh

I am not even going to try on the defensive pairings. Until someone is moved its too hard to tell.

FROM WHAT I HAVE READ because I have not seen

Stoa is a better wing than center
Duchene is better off at wing to get his feet wet imo. If it doesn’t work out just swap Wolski and Duchene
Brass loves O'Rielly's work ethic and 2 way play.
And the 4th... Meh....

I think this is the time the team should start trying to figure out its identity.

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