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07-13-2009, 02:58 AM
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Remember, that the skates add an extra 3 inches....(goes for everyone, but it can make a smallish guy look a little bigger).

Also, why no interviews with Schenn? You would think they would have talked to him for a bit. Maybe they were just giving him a break because he probably had a ton leading up to the draft.
I interviewed Schenn, Campbell, Kolomatis, Mullen and Terry Murray on Sunday. I didn't have time on Sunday to do any transcription, so I won't have a story from any of this until Monday night or sometime on Tuesday.

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Schenn looked lost at many times out there during the scrimmage.
I went to the scrimmage today and saw a little of the practices and I'm not going to comment on how these guys looked or if they're going to be any good in the future. It's just too short of a time to tell what kind of players they're going to be. I mean some looked good and some were okay. But that's what I expected. However, maybe it's just me but Schenn didn't just look lost, he seemed like he was huffing and puffing on every shift. I believe he was in the group that practiced before the scrimmage, but man did that kid look tired. He's still young and his conditioning will get better, so I'm not worried but still it was kind of hard to watch.


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07-13-2009, 03:28 AM
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Can you guys report on Loktionov/Voinov? Anyone got pics of em?

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What you see on the ice in a summertime camp for young prospects...in a matter of a few days...means very, very little. Calling Schenn a bust based on that is as ridiculous as saying that water isn't wet.

As for the Kings drafting Tavares, how was Lombardi supposed to do that if he wasn't available? And even if he did, he would've had to give up several of his best young players/prospects to do it, creating more holes just to fill one.

Is that really stupid?
Guessing you are new to the forums...

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07-13-2009, 03:47 AM
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Guessing you are new to the forums...
Not new...just don't have time to read every thread...

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Out of curiosity, who do you guys think would win in a theoretical game between these development camp kids and adult ice hockey players playing in Toyota Sports Center's elite level? This game would be a non-checking game.

I've seen both, and man, those elite level games are pretty fun to watch... some ridiculous skills on display.

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Out of curiosity, who do you guys think would win in a theoretical game between these development camp kids and adult ice hockey players playing in Toyota Sports Center's elite level? This game would be a non-checking game.

I've seen both, and man, those elite level games are pretty fun to watch... some ridiculous skills on display.
Honestly I haven't seen these adult league guys play, although I'm sure they're really good no doubt. However, some of these prospects are actually already playing against men and adults in the AHL, or ECHL. And those leagues even though not NHL level, are pretty darn good already, and they get to check. So without checking these kids really have even more room to work with. Yeah I would have to give the edge to the kids.

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07-13-2009, 07:11 AM
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What you see on the ice in a summertime camp for young prospects...in a matter of a few days...means very, very little. Calling Schenn a bust based on that is as ridiculous as saying that water isn't wet.

As for the Kings drafting Tavares, how was Lombardi supposed to do that if he wasn't available? And even if he did, he would've had to give up several of his best young players/prospects to do it, creating more holes just to fill one.

Is that really stupid?

I really hope you didn't type all of that to try and have a clever sarcastic rapport. He more than covered all appropriate bases of sarcasm in the original post.

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07-13-2009, 07:43 AM
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Anyone able to give a report on Nic Dowd?

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Can you guys report on Loktionov/Voinov? Anyone got pics of em?
Loktionov was not at camp for unspecified reasons. It has been speculated that he is having visa problems. Voinov participated in drills but not the scrimmages because a shoulder injury is healing.

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Loktionov was not at camp for unspecified reasons. It has been speculated that he is having visa problems. Voinov participated in drills but not the scrimmages because a shoulder injury is healing.
cue the loktionov not returning to LA rumors.

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Anyone able to give a report on Nic Dowd?
King'sPawn has a detailed report of each prospect's camp performance on LGK here: http://www.letsgokings.com/bbs/f4/ki...ew-123015.html

Here's what he had to say about Dowd:

"72 – Nic Dowd
The draftee from Alabama has the steepest learning curve, as he is coming from arguably the least competitive league of the camp. Nevertheless, he was nearly unbeatable in face-offs on the second day, and he played relatively mistake free in the drills and with the time he was given. Unfortunately, his skills with the puck are below average, limiting his role and chance to make it as a professional.

Likelihood to make the NHL: 10%. I honestly don’t even see him making an impact at the AHL level, he’s probably going to be a depth player in the ECHL.

If he makes the NHL he will be a: 4th line defensive specialist. He might be able to translate his face-off abilities into being a clutch face-off guy, but don’t give him many minutes, based on what he’s shown."

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07-13-2009, 10:56 AM
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"Emerson (will be) exclusively overseeing the development camp... this year will now be the way I envisioned development camps. We ran too much hockey school crap in the last couple of years but this one will be at the level I envisioned when I got here."

It's about 46 minutes, 40 seconds in. Audio interview here: http://frozenroyalty.net/2009/06/29/...ding-a-winner/

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The LA Times has an article today that explains what DL was referring to with his quote above:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey...lumn?track=rss

"In truth, this year's camp started several days before the Kings opened the doors of their El Segundo rink to fans Friday and it will continue a few days past Sunday's final game, contested before several hundred enthusiastic fans in the chilly practice rink.

Players began arriving in stages last weekend for drills, tutoring and conditioning, though they were on public view only the last few days.

Why such secrecy?

"NFL teams don't open up their camps. Baseball, it's ridiculous," Lombardi said Sunday. "We do three days for the fans and that's when the combined groups come in. The other four days they're here to work.

"They've got to be focused. They're here to work and get better, not entertain, and they've been really good."

Let's not forget that it's July, when heat can impair clear thinking and the Kings are undefeated. Nearly every kid looks like a potential All-Star and every goalie is a candidate to plug the decades-old black hole between the pipes.

But the effort at this camp by the coaches and 30 or so draftees and free agents reflected a new level of seriousness by the entire organization."

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There's an interesting tidbit about Schenn in the article as well and his difficulty picking up one of the drills.

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07-13-2009, 11:42 AM
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There's an interesting tidbit about Schenn in the article as well and his difficulty picking up one of the drills.
Great, cue the "Schenn has a learning disability" posts.

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I went to the Top 5 Draft teams forums to check out how their new draftees in development camps are doing: Tavares, Kane, Duchene, Hedman, (us, Schenn). All of them are not performing well, so I am not really worried about Schenn.

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Great, cue the "Schenn has a learning disability" posts.
I think all 17 year olds have a learning disability somewhere in their system. I am glad Schenn is facing his trials. Get them out of the way early so this kid can be our franchise #2 center in a few years time.

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Oh btw, how did Doughty do in the camp last year?

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Oh btw, how did Doughty do in the camp last year?
He impressed pretty much everyone. Here's last year's dev camp thread:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=529135

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07-13-2009, 01:01 PM
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I find it a bit disconcerting that DL said: "We ran too much hockey school crap in the last couple of years but this one will be at the level I envisioned when I got here."

What?!? It takes him 4 years to get a training camp to the level he wants to see?

Anyway, I went to yesterday's game and it was quite good - a great crowd too (and Sat. was MORE crowded?) The tempo was good by both sides and there was plenty of hitting. A few comments:

1. Hickey: very impresseive. Has bulked up a bit from last year and he is very fluid out there - very smooth. He stood out. Will he make the team?? Where do you put him?

2. Garrett Roe: wow - he was good: physical and with some skills. but 5'-8"?? I know he's been reminded of his height his entire life, but he may turn into something.

3. Schenn: looked as good as I expected, and I expected a lot. Put 15 more pounds on him and in 2 years he'll start.

4. The RBK practice jerseys are still laughably embarassing. I mean come on, enough with the circle/waves under the arm and silly number font. Just use real practice jerseys.

5. and DA: last year Doughty played on another level than the rest of the group. From what I remember, Doughty looked better last year than Hickey did yesterday.

6. Bernier did not stand out as the best goalie out there. I was more impressed with Jones for some reason... What do others think about Bernier's play??

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I find it a bit disconcerting that DL said: "We ran too much hockey school crap in the last couple of years but this one will be at the level I envisioned when I got here."

What?!? It takes him 4 years to get a training camp to the level he wants to see?
My best guess is that it's a combination of how far the scouting staff has come and how far the prospects are in general. Lombardi has said multiple times that with his staff, things were moving a lot more fluidly and less disjointed (apparently there was a lot of chaos in 2008, particularly when they were offered Richardson for the 2nd round pick). So, as a whole, I think the entire staff is better able to pick the talent so they don't need to run the developmental camp at a lower level.

And let's remember this IS developmental camp, not training camp, not tryouts, nothing but a camp that's designed to improve the overall skills of the players.

And there was a huge difference in the drills this year as opposed to the previous years. In past years, they would have the goalies practice separately, and the forwards and defense would have less systematic drills.

This year, the drills united all three groups (forwards, defense, and goalies) where there's a very logical approach in forechecking, backchecking, odd man rushes and special teams.

The other thing to keep in mind is that while a lot of these players are recently drafted, improved scouting = improved prospects as a whole, and there was MUCH greater parity in this group of prospects than previous years.

So it was a very fair assessment, and while you can read into it negatively, I think it's not so bad a thing if they constantly work to improve the overall quality of these development camps.

My biggest beef with this year's camp was that, while it is much more efficient in getting everyone to work together, it was a lot busier, where some players just didn't stand out. What also made it difficult was the fact they didn't have numbers on the back of their jerseys, and simply on the back of their helmets. It took me a lot longer to figure out who was who.

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hey guys. I was there on saturday with my brother. I got some decent video footage with my new nokia n97 phone (damn i love this thing). the original footage looks even better than these youtube clips. most of the clips are of the action in the game and you get a good look at bernier. I'm gonna add them to this post as they are uploaded.

before I post the videos I'll say who stood out to me the most. Hickey looked bigger than last year and much faster, Holloway made some slick moves, Azevedo creates scoring situations, Teubert is a monster once again completely controlling the front of the net, Bernier look very calm and solid, Schenn was quiet, the kid from LA looked pretty good.

First video:
Schenn and another player coming down the ice - schenn makes a nice play and pass to the other player, Bernier handles it well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjwy4ThzQTk

stay tuned for more. Next up is the complete footage of the shootout.

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6. Bernier did not stand out as the best goalie out there. I was more impressed with Jones for some reason... What do others think about Bernier's play??
The guy is a stud.. If you watch him in the practices theres no way Quick has the job "locked" already.

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"Schenn has a learning disability"

..but only to make King'sPawn happy.

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"Schenn has a learning disability"

..but only to make King'sPawn happy.
Aw, just reading your posts makes me happy enough, but the extra effort is awesome!

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wow - good on you. If you ever make it out to LA, announce it here. We'll make sure you do it right.
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