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07-13-2009, 07:24 PM
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Coyotes trade Enver Lisin for Lauri Korpikoski

Coyotes Trade Enver Lisin to New York Rangers for forward Lauri Korpikoski

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Lisin for Korpikoski

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I think it's a whale of a good trade...... Korpikoski has alot of skill and higher potential in my eyes.......Lisin was fast with no finish and he was also the worst in the plus minus department. Korpikoski didn't really get alot of a chance to do anything for the Rangers because of how hard it is to crack their top six! I love this deal, I watched him play alot.....he is a good player with loads of upside.

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I'm not happy. I think this maybe Lisin for a younger version of Freddy Sjostrom. I'll have to wait and see, though.

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I'm not happy. I think this maybe Lisin for a younger version of Freddy Sjostrom. I'll have to wait and see, though.
Lisin couldn't penalty kill or play defence of any kind and Sjostrom could penalty kill and score every now and then. I like this deal ...we get a player back who can kill penalties and score and Korpikoski has potential to be a top six player.

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Lisin couldn't penalty kill or play defence of any kind and Sjostrom could penalty kill and score every now and then. I like this deal ...we get a player back who can kill penalties and score and Korpikoski has potential to be a top six player.
Korpikoski had six goals in sixty eight games. Lisin had thirteen in fourty eight. In Lisin's seventy eight career NHL games his has eighteen goals. Korpikoski has six in his sixty eight.

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I don't know much about Korpikoski, so it is hard for me to really judge this trade. I like Lisin and I think he had great potential, but if you look at the stats, it looks like a wash with Korpikoski being the better face-off man and perhaps better in his own zone, but Lisin having the higher offensive potential.

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Lauri Korpikoski

Assets Is extremely shifty and creative with the puck, though speed is his best attribute. Make things happen on the ice. Is a good face-off man.
Flaws Needs to add more muscle in order to withstand the physical pounding on smaller ice surfaces. Must show greater scoring consistency going forward.
Career Potential Top six forward.

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I don't know much about Korpikoski, so it is hard for me to really judge this trade. I like Lisin and I think he had great potential, but if you look at the stats, it looks like a wash with Korpikoski being the better face-off man and perhaps better in his own zone, but Lisin having the higher offensive potential.

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Korpikoski had six goals in sixty eight games. Lisin had thirteen in fourty eight. In Lisin's seventy eight career NHL games his has eighteen goals. Korpikoski has six in his sixty eight.
If you think that the stats are where it ends you are totally wrong. Korpikoski has great speed and GREAT 2 way play. Played a ton on the PK and 4th line with 2 stone for hands players. Wrang a ton of shots off the pipe the entire season. Give him time to develop and the Rangers just made a big mistake.

(The mistake part is a homer comment mainly because I don't know how good Lisin is, but Korpikoski has a high ceiling for potential)

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Korpikoski I am a huge fan of, reminds me of a Sami Kapenen type player.

Even following a similar development path.

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I don't know much about Korpikoski, so it is hard for me to really judge this trade. I like Lisin and I think he had great potential, but if you look at the stats, it looks like a wash with Korpikoski being the better face-off man and perhaps better in his own zone, but Lisin having the higher offensive potential.

Anyone with more knowledge on Korpikoski's ability and potential?

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Rangers fans not too happy with this deal, may be good sign. No matter what any of us thinks of Lisin, it was obvious at season' end when Maloney hinted that Lisin would be back if he signed a two-way deal that he did not figure in our plans. We got something for him, and LK sounds like a good two-way prospect with some NHL experience. And he's only 22. The glass looks half-full through my rose-colored glasses.

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I think the Rangers took this trade. I am not really sure what the love affair with Korpikoski is and Ranger fans but Lisin is a much better player when it comes to the offensive side of things. Korpedo may have more on the defensive side but his offense isn't close to Lisin's. I guess Maloney was looking for a more all around kind of guy. Korpikoski got some time on the PK last season so maybe thats why he is coming here.

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Because its easier to trade for guys who can play defense, than to hire a coach that can teach it.

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Korpikoski had six goals in sixty eight games. Lisin had thirteen in fourty eight. In Lisin's seventy eight career NHL games his has eighteen goals. Korpikoski has six in his sixty eight.
Different teams! Lisin some times was put on the top two lines......Korpikoski couldn't crack the top two lines due numbers and being able to afford better talent through free agency. Stats don't always tell what a player is capable of....... it also depends on the situation a player is put into.

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I am going on record:


I HATE THIS TRADE!!!!

Stupid, stupid Coyotes!!!!

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Well, I know nothing about the "Korpedo" but I'm not too surprised Lisin's gone. I've sensed for the past two years there was something that Maloney, Gretzky and co. didn't like about his game even with that amazing speed and scoring touch. I was resigned to him going to the KHL so getting Korpikoski back is a bonus IMO.

Still... ol' Enver was exciting to watch when he decided to play. I'll miss those lightning breakaways.

One thing I will say - the desire Don Maloney has to bring the Rangers to Phoenix worries me at times.

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I am going on record:


I HATE THIS TRADE!!!!

Stupid, stupid Coyotes!!!!
Why? Not saying I agree or disagree but just curious for your reasoning. That's like emphatically saying "I love fat chicks!" and then not giving a reason why.

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I think the Rangers took this trade. I am not really sure what the love affair with Korpikoski is and Ranger fans but Lisin is a much better player when it comes to the offensive side of things. Korpedo may have more on the defensive side but his offense isn't close to Lisin's. I guess Maloney was looking for a more all around kind of guy. Korpikoski got some time on the PK last season so maybe thats why he is coming here.
Korpedo was first heralded as a 2 way prospect with very good offensive upside. But when most of his time is on the PK or as a shut down line, not a ton of offense can be generated. Korpikoski has all the tools but if he some how ends up with 3rd MAYBE 2nd line duties on the Yotes, then obviously I would expect to see his numbers to go up.

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I am disappointed.

If we were going to trade Lisin a better deal could have been had, I'm pretty sure.

Did GMDM try to trade him at the deadline to Pittsburgh for example. Putting Lisin with Malkin

Maybe it became apparent Lisin would not sign under GMDM's terms? It will be interesting to hear what Maloney has to say.

Guess Korpikoski is a decent 2 way guy with some upside. An upgrade over Winnik?

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Why? Not saying I agree or disagree but just curious for your reasoning. That's like emphatically saying "I love fat chicks!" and then not giving a reason why.
Because I think Lisin was an exciting player who was improving every year inspite of TGO. Everytime he had the puck I would move to the edge of my seat because there was a good chance something awesome was going to happen. He had true first line potential on a team who needs first and second liners not third and fourth liners. We have plenty of those.

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Korpedo was first heralded as a 2 way prospect with very good offensive upside. But when most of his time is on the PK or as a shut down line, not a ton of offense can be generated. Korpikoski has all the tools but if he some how ends up with 3rd MAYBE 2nd line duties on the Yotes, then obviously I would expect to see his numbers to go up.
That sounds a lot like what we were saying about Freddie Sjostrom. Drafted high based on sound two-way play and wheels, and while the defense and speed manifest themselves constantly, he always leaves you wanting as far as offense and specifically offensive production.

Coincidentally, the things we're saying about Lisin also echo what we said about Sjostrom when he left: he's good, he's just been misused, and his shortcomings are a reflection of poor coaching rather than his own limitations. We (myself loudly included) insisted the Coyotes would regret trading Sjostrom, but he hasn't been much for the Rangers that he wasn't for the Coyotes. Whether that's because the Coyotes ruined him, because he's not a great player, or something else entirely is impossible to distinguish, but the point is, neither Sjostrom nor Lisin nor Korpikoski has shown anything to this point to make anyone especially upset.

Maybe Lisin will turn into the next Bure in New York. Maybe Korpikoski will be the next Lehtinen in Phoenix. Maybe neither. Maybe both.

Let's wait and see.

In a "worst case scenario" sort of perspective, perhaps the acquisitions of Fiddler and Korpikoski signal the Coyotes' intentions of giving Hanzal more of an offensive role this year.

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I am disappointed.

If we were going to trade Lisin a better deal could have been had, I'm pretty sure.

Did GMDM try to trade him at the deadline to Pittsburgh for example. Putting Lisin with Malkin

Maybe it became apparent Lisin would not sign under GMDM's terms? It will be interesting to hear what Maloney has to say.

Guess Korpikoski is a decent 2 way guy with some upside. An upgrade over Winnik?
If this is why we traded him then so be it....If I were Lisin I woudn't have signed a two-way deal either. Man I am pissed!

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Don Maloney was actually the one who ran the draft when they picked Korpikoski...it was a guy he really gushed about after they selected him, so he'll join Montoya, Prucha and Dawes as guys he liked from the Rangers system.

In terms of what you get, Korpikoski indeed is a great skater, works hard along the boards, but not a big hitter by any stretch. His defensive ability is more about skating and taking away lanes and putting pressure on the puck carrier than it necessarily is forcing take aways or laying on the body. He was useful on the PK because of his speed.

Offensively he has his moments, scored a few key goals from the slot of all places. He doesn't necessarily possess a great shot, but some times you look at what he does and wonder where it came from. His first NHL goal was actually in his first NHL game...the 2008 playoffs vs the Penguins, and he beat Fleury coming down the wing on a partial break...Fleury probably should've had it.

In my mind he's a third wing kind of guy, maybe a 10-15 goal kind of guy...just not sure he's got the potential to do more. With that said, he went down to the AHL at one point this past season and was dominating offensively, so it appears there might be some room for him to develop that aspect of his game.

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Another thesis. Trading Lisin for a young defensive stalwart could be because:

a) negotiations with Lisin were stalled.
b) negotiations with Dan Winnik were stalled.
c) both a) and b).

Either way, this team still has too many warm bodies, although I suspect that's a problem that won't be sorted out until training camp is underway.

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Am ambivalent about a guy named "Lauri".

Maybe lisin didn't want to sign. His speed will be missed. It's kind of cool to have the NHLs fastest player. If he lights it up with the rangers....

Now we have a logjam at the 3rd and 4th lines:

Hanzal
Tikh
Boedker
Winnik
Fiddler
Fedoruk
Korpi
Porter (?)
GMDM Goon (?)

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