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Oilers News and Blog Reports 07/13/09 Are you nervous about Grebeshkov?

View Poll Results: Still no contract with Grebeshkov, are you nervous?
No, they will get him signed 90 82.57%
No, they won't sign him, but I didn't want him to 0 0%
Yes, I worry they will lose him 19 17.43%
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07-13-2009, 09:37 PM
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It's not that I don't understand your point....If you understood mine you'd realize that the Sutter's love Dion almost as much as Pierre Maguire does.
Well...lets hope they are in fact that stupid.
I have my doubts.

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07-13-2009, 09:38 PM
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The love-in with Pouliot over at Lowetide's blog was a bit much to take. I like the fact that Pouliot has a somewhat well-rounded game, but at some point don't you have to come remotely close to being able to excel at something?

Pouliot has to get over the fact that he probably won't be an effective top sixer.
Agreed. But I also haven't seen much that would indicate he would be an effective bottom sixer either. Spends too much time floating.

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07-13-2009, 09:39 PM
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Well, I'd wager Conroy, Boyd and Sjostrom could take Pouliot, Moreau and Pisani to school.

Craig Conroy is very good hockey player and their second line is easily the equal of the Oilers second line.

The bottom line is their first line is far superior to the Oilers and the rest is, at best, a draw.

Calgary scored 254 goals last season and the Oilers scored 234.

They will miss Camalleri's contribution to be sure but they're gambling that Jaybo will not only provide more offense from the blueline but also help bring their GA down.

Doesn't look like a bad bet to me. But it is a bet.
Conroy is a good two way player, I'll give you that. I firmly believe that with the proper coaching Pouliot could become a very good two way player. That being said Conroy, Boyd and Sjostrom as a line is not anywhere near Pouliot, Moreau and Pisani. Not by a long shot.

There's no way to determine what effect Jaybo will have on their GA but I'm not thinking he's a miracle worker.

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Conroy is a good two way player, I'll give you that. I firmly believe that with the proper coaching Pouliot could become a very good two way player. That being said Conroy, Boyd and Sjostrom as a line is not anywhere near Pouliot, Moreau and Pisani. Not by a long shot.

There's no way to determine what effect Jaybo will have on their GA but I'm not thinking he's a miracle worker.
More JBouw = less of The Dion ------> less of The Dion = less GA.

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Conroy is a good two way player, I'll give you that. I firmly believe that with the proper coaching Pouliot could become a very good two way player. That being said Conroy, Boyd and Sjostrom as a line is not anywhere near Pouliot, Moreau and Pisani. Not by a long shot.

There's no way to determine what effect Jaybo will have on their GA but I'm not thinking he's a miracle worker.
Based on what?

Jaybo is likely to have a huge impact on their GA because of his ability to control the play. Just watch.

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Yes.

Do you have some proof of Pouliot's usefulness or is it just wishful thinking?
Do you have proof that he is not useful? In almost 20 less games than Conroy and almost 4 minutes less of icetime he had 20 points. He wasn't given much consistency by way of linemates but he did show something. I don't think it is wishful thinking, I think he has some ability and I think he'll prove that this year.

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Based on what?

Jaybo is likely to have a huge impact on their GA because of his ability to control the play. Just watch.
I think it's just a likely he stumbles. He can't handle pressure as evidenced by Florida's run to the playoffs last season.

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Do you have proof that he is not useful? In almost 20 less games than Conroy and almost 4 minutes less of icetime he had 20 points. He wasn't given much consistency by way of linemates but he did show something. I don't think it is wishful thinking, I think he has some ability and I think he'll prove that this year.
Conroy scored 48 points and was plus freaking 20 playing on the third line.
Pouliot scored 20 points and was plus 1.

Conroy GF/ON 61 GA/ON 43
Pouliot GF/ON 25 GA/ON 26

One of these is a difference maker and the other is eating icetime with no tangible results.

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I think it's just a likely he stumbles. He can't handle pressure as evidenced by Florida's run to the playoffs last season.
Like Hemsky?

Just asking.

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Well...lets hope they are in fact that stupid.
I have my doubts.
Let's hope!

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Conroy scored 48 points and was plus freaking 20 playing on the third line.
Pouliot scored 20 points and was plus 1.

Conroy GF/ON 61 GA/ON 43
Pouliot GF/ON 25 GA/ON 26

One of these is a difference maker and the other is eating icetime with no tangible results.

I'm glad you think so highly of Pouliot!

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I'm glad you think so highly of Pouliot!
If you have some evidence to the contrary I'd love to see it.

The Oilers have some choices to make in the third and fourth line centre positions and it seems they're prepared to go with Pouliot and Brule.

Considering they might be running with Horcoff, Gagner, Pouliot and Brule down the middle, that might be the weakest group of centres in the WC.

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As stated, the 3rd and 4th lines are pretty much a draw in my mind although Conroy is a favourite.
Well, the initial question was about the lines specifically, to which you replied with some surprise regarding a player specifically (Conroy), which implied (at least to me) that you held Calgary's 3rd line (and therefore, bottom 6) in much higher regard.

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Well, the initial question was about the lines specifically, to which you replied with some surprise regarding a player specifically (Conroy), which implied (at least to me) that you held Calgary's 3rd line (and therefore, bottom 6) in much higher regard.
Conroy, by himself, makes their third line better.

Debating the relative strengths or weaknesses of the 4th lines is almost moot, or, in the common vernacular,mute.

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If you have some evidence to the contrary I'd love to see it.

The Oilers have some choices to make in the third and fourth line centre positions and it seems they're prepared to go with Pouliot and Brule.

Considering they might be running with Horcoff, Gagner, Pouliot and Brule down the middle, that might be the weakest group of centres in the WC.
At least it beats Pisani and Brodziak

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At least it beats Pisani and Brodziak
Well, you've got me there.

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Conroy scored 48 points and was plus freaking 20 playing on the third line.
Pouliot scored 20 points and was plus 1.

Conroy GF/ON 61 GA/ON 43
Pouliot GF/ON 25 GA/ON 26

One of these is a difference maker and the other is eating icetime with no tangible results.
One has been given the opportunity to be a difference maker and one has not been given that opportunity. One is a long time veteran and one is still learning the ropes. In Conroy's first 60 + game season he wasn't much more effective than Pouliot.

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Like Hemsky?

Just asking.
We're discussing Jaybo. Hemsky stumbled I'm not denying it.

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One has been given the opportunity to be a difference maker and one has not been given that opportunity. One is a long time veteran and one is still learning the ropes. In Conroy's first 60 + game season he wasn't much more effective than Pouliot.
Might be true but that wasn't the question.

Which one is likely to help win you a hockey game next season?

My money is on Conroy.

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We're discussing Jaybo. Hemsky stumbled I'm not denying it.
There is absolutely no reason to believe Jaybo will stumble next season anymore than Hemsky will.

Jaybo is in a new situation and expectations will be different. One would think his performance will reflect that.

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Might be true but that wasn't the question.

Which one is likely to help win you a hockey game next season?

My money is on Conroy.
That wasn't the question. The question was who would you rather have. I still would rather have Pouliot. One's on the upswing and one is winding down.

Conroy might help win games more, but I wouldn't count out Pouliot.

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There is absolutely no reason to believe Jaybo will stumble next season anymore than Hemsky will.

Jaybo is in a new situation and expectations will be different. One would think his performance will reflect that.
But with expectations comes pressure, something he wasn't able to deal with last year.

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That wasn't the question. The question was who would you rather have. I still would rather have Pouliot. One's on the upswing and one is winding down.

Conroy might help win games more, but I wouldn't count out Pouliot.
Fair enough. Someday Pouliot might be as good as Craig Conroy.

In the meantime, I'll take Conroy and sign Pouliot when he is as good.

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But with expectations comes pressure, something he wasn't able to deal with last year.
Different circumstances but you want to believe he's not capable of being a player so fill yer boots.

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Conroy, by himself, makes their third line better.

Debating the relative strengths or weaknesses of the 4th lines is almost moot, or, in the common vernacular,mute.
Conroy can't do it on his own. Boyd and Sjostrom aren't going to be of much help.

Whereas, Pouliot is not as good as Conroy yet, but Moreau and Pisani are 10 times better than Boyd and Sjostrom.

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