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05-21-2009, 08:59 PM
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1. JJ stays a King
2. Frolov stays a King
3. No Gaborik or Hossa
4. DL will confound everyone by:
a) drafting a d-man in the 1st round
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b) signing a defensive-forward like Madden or Malhotra
5. Bernier to the Avs
I'd rather try move up in the draft by dangling Bernier and the 5th overall to acquire the 3rd overall. Matt Duchene has gamebreaking speed, sniping abilties, and plays a responsible game. Think a little bit of Hank Zetterberg.

Looking over the Avs roster I noticed the one and only Scott Hannan. A defensive defenceman that can log a lot of ice time, left-handed shot, overpaid, former DL pick, maybe a potential partner for Drew Doughty?

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05-22-2009, 01:40 AM
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1. JJ stays a King
2. Frolov stays a King
3. No Gaborik or Hossa
4. DL will confound everyone by:
a) drafting a d-man in the 1st round, and
b) signing a defensive-forward like Madden or Malhotra
5. Bernier to the Avs
If Bernier goes to the Avs, I want Wolski.

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05-22-2009, 03:35 PM
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If Bernier goes to the Avs, I want Wolski.
I was sort of thinking (unrealistically) about Hejduk.

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05-24-2009, 07:52 PM
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If Patty Roy becomes the GM-coach of the Avs (as is rumored), does a trade involving Bernier become even more realistic?

You'd have to think he'd address the goaltending problem right away.

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05-24-2009, 09:17 PM
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I was sort of thinking (unrealistically) about Hejduk.
Wasn't Lombardi in talks about Smyth before they asked for Bernier AND Teubert? I'd still say there's possibility of that in some form.

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05-25-2009, 10:18 AM
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Wasn't Lombardi in talks about Smyth before they asked for Bernier AND Teubert? I'd still say there's possibility of that in some form.
I'd do that. I would try to get Colo to add a #3 rd pick though. Swap #5, Bernier, Teubert for Smyth and #3 overall. Draft Duchene.

Smyth is still only 32 and his contract is 6.5 this coming yr, 5.5 and 4.5 the last 2 years.

Frolov Kopitar Brown
Smyth Duchene Williams

I have a feeling Duchene will end up being better than Tavares. He's a better skater, works harder and has comparable skill. He could step right in between 2 vets like Smyth and Williams. I still have high hopes for Bernier, but not so much for Teubert.

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05-25-2009, 10:28 AM
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If Bernier goes to the Avs, I want Wolski.
If Bernier goes to the Avs, I want Stewart.

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05-26-2009, 08:47 PM
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Pittsburgh taken care of business. They are a driven bunch right now. Should be an awesome SCF.

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06-13-2009, 11:56 AM
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I'm a maths student and I've come up with a model that predicts, or at least gives a rating to junior players or pro players from europe in order to have a better idea on who to draft. I'm not entirely done yet but I've tested my model for 1985-2005 and during that period of time I kick any scout's ass basically. Especially since 2000 since from that period of time it's easy to test who to draft and who not to draft.

For instance, I won't tell you if it's a success or not in my model, but Tim Thomas came in the league at 30 some years old, so he's a very late bloomer and I don't think there's much use in drafting those late bloomers since their play likely evolved very late in their career. So since 2000 I'm pretty much spot on values given to players.

With that said, since 1985 I'm doing extremely well. I can tell you not draft Alexandre Daigle n'1 and so on. People always tell me that it's easy with hindsight and all that stuff, but it's not case with my model. It's a scientific, objective model, so anybody can run it and end up with the same result. Also, I don't tell you not to draft Daigle since he still went on to having a career in the NHL, all it says is not to draft him say before Chris Pronger.

So I started talking about my model to my physics and maths friend and all of them are excited about my model and I thought I could start investigate with NHL teams. In the moneyball thread I remember Falconer talking about the Sharks and LA Kings having quants people aboard. I'd like to know if you have any info on that?

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06-13-2009, 01:06 PM
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I'm a maths student and I've come up with a model that predicts, or at least gives a rating to junior players or pro players from europe in order to have a better idea on who to draft. I'm not entirely done yet but I've tested my model for 1985-2005 and during that period of time I kick any scout's ass basically. Especially since 2000 since from that period of time it's easy to test who to draft and who not to draft.

For instance, I won't tell you if it's a success or not in my model, but Tim Thomas came in the league at 30 some years old, so he's a very late bloomer and I don't think there's much use in drafting those late bloomers since their play likely evolved very late in their career. So since 2000 I'm pretty much spot on values given to players.

With that said, since 1985 I'm doing extremely well. I can tell you not draft Alexandre Daigle n'1 and so on. People always tell me that it's easy with hindsight and all that stuff, but it's not case with my model. It's a scientific, objective model, so anybody can run it and end up with the same result. Also, I don't tell you not to draft Daigle since he still went on to having a career in the NHL, all it says is not to draft him say before Chris Pronger.

So I started talking about my model to my physics and maths friend and all of them are excited about my model and I thought I could start investigate with NHL teams. In the moneyball thread I remember Falconer talking about the Sharks and LA Kings having quants people aboard. I'd like to know if you have any info on that?
This is very intriguing, but what exactly are you asking for, contact information for people within those two organizations?

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06-13-2009, 01:51 PM
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This is very intriguing, but what exactly are you asking for, contact information for people within those two organizations?
yeah, or simply general information on the way they use satistical analysis in the organization

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06-26-2009, 10:33 AM
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as expected no real movement of the cap this year.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282925

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06-26-2009, 11:53 AM
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For anyone interested......NHL.com is steaming a pre draft discussion form NHL network for the next couple of hours.

http://www.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=616

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06-27-2009, 12:42 PM
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I think we should have Lewis as the 4th line center next year. I mean, that is his game after all, tenacious 2-way play, right?

Additionally, now should be the time to ditch Raitis

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06-27-2009, 01:20 PM
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I updated things a little bit. Deleted Boyle, added King, adjusted the Cap Hit and added Max Cap Space figures, and I started on updating the 2009 draft pick chart to a 2010 one, but I need to find a source for our 4th-7th selections next year. Let me know if you know of a source or spot anything that needs to be fixed or added... I left the top financial groups such as forwards, defenseman etc... as is for now until we make it to the start of the season. Too many calculations

Edit - found a source for the 2010 picks thanks to Puck U: http://www.prosportstransactions.com...ture/Kings.htm

Figured I can add changes later, but that is how it is looking now including the third rounders we acquired today...


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07-12-2009, 06:59 PM
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*UPDATED*

-Added in the Ryan Smyth trade and adjusted draft picks accordingly
-Added numbers for Mullen, Westgarth, Parse, and King
-Re-adjusted some numbers in the minor leagues
-Added the Scuderi Signing
-Added 2010 Free Agents
-Re-adjusted our finances
-Removed players lost to free agency (Moulson).

If there are any problems, let me know...

Edit - Added the Brandon Segal and Joe Piskula Signing, awaiting numbers...


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07-15-2009, 05:31 AM
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like the bullseye chart...how about the value of Johnson...whats the expectation 2.4-3 mill

or more like 4.5-5 mill....?

he's no MIke komisarek in terms of size about 20 lbs smaller and a few inches shorter as well

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07-15-2009, 10:01 AM
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like the bullseye chart...how about the value of Johnson...whats the expectation 2.4-3 mill

or more like 4.5-5 mill....?

he's no MIke komisarek in terms of size about 20 lbs smaller and a few inches shorter as well
I'd say he is around $3 million, plus or minus $1 million depending on term and such.

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07-15-2009, 02:12 PM
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Given that Barker just signed with Chicago for three more years at 3.083M/yr, I can't imagine Johnson getting even 3M/yr.

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07-15-2009, 05:02 PM
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Given that Barker just signed with Chicago for three more years at 3.083M/yr, I can't imagine Johnson getting even 3M/yr.
I agree...I can only see him getting that kind of money if he signs 5 or more years....anything less and we are talking about the $2-$2.75 million/year range.

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07-16-2009, 02:24 PM
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*Updated*

-Numbers for Elkins, Mullen, Piskula, Segal, and Parse corrected and put up.
-Updated Cap Numbers
-Added Numbers For Total Bonuses that count toward the cushion.

Edit
- Added Jack Johnson re-signing and updated Cap Numbers and Payroll.
-Removed AHL/ECHL Differential because it is not really relevant.


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Given that Barker just signed with Chicago for three more years at 3.083M/yr, I can't imagine Johnson getting even 3M/yr.
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I agree...I can only see him getting that kind of money if he signs 5 or more years....anything less and we are talking about the $2-$2.75 million/year range.
I am really glad that you guys were right and I was wrong Excellent contract and numbers. This goes a long way to showing that Johnson is willing to work with the team and be apart of the core.

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So Kings are about 7 million under the cap now?

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So Kings are about 7 million under the cap now?
Actually they are closer to $5 million under the cap....that does not take into account the bonus cushion....But I would be shocked if Dean exceeded the cap in the first place.

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