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View Poll Results: Who is the most overrated out of the following star players?
Toews 23 13.07%
Luongo 60 34.09%
Zetterberg 14 7.95%
Gaborik 50 28.41%
Kane 29 16.48%
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07-16-2009, 12:02 AM
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Luongo is the best goalie in hockey imo.

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07-16-2009, 12:24 AM
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Not sure how Luongo is overrrated, he is one of the best in his position. I think just because he hasnt won a thing a yet, doesn't mean he can't be one of the best in his position, its beyond our control When GM's voted Luongo as the 2nd player in the NHL they will build around. No offence guys, I take the word of a General Manger over some kid from Ablerta putting on another hate show on Luongo. This thread was an intent to slam Luongo. Its funny how he is kinda put into this thread. Look at the names in the Poll, Luongo does happen to be one of the most talked about players.
Who else would you like me to put in the poll? We can make another one if you want. Put anyone you want in it. Do you want Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin in it because they are talked about a lot? Crosby will get about 30% of the vote because people hate him, Ovechkin will get about 15% of the vote because Crosby fans will be upset and try to bring Ovechkin down with Crosby, Malkin will get about 10% because some people are stupid, and Luongo will get the rest of the votes. The difference is, Crosby has a Hart trophy, an Art Ross trophy, and a Stanley Cup. Ovechkin has a Calder trophy, 2 Hart Trophies, an Art Ross, and 2 Richard trophies. Malkin has a Calder trophy, an Art Ross, a Conn Smythe, and a Stanley Cup. I guess Luongo has a fan favourite trophy?

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07-16-2009, 12:49 AM
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Not sure how Luongo is overrrated, he is one of the best in his position. I think just because he hasnt won a thing a yet, doesn't mean he can't be one of the best in his position, its beyond our control When GM's voted Luongo as the 2nd player in the NHL they will build around. No offence guys, I take the word of a General Manger over some kid from Ablerta putting on another hate show on Luongo. This thread was an intent to slam Luongo. Its funny how he is kinda put into this thread. Look at the names in the Poll, Luongo does happen to be one of the most talked about players.
People said Hasek was overrated because he couldnt win a cup. Same thing with Belfour for a long time. Same thing with Cujo who like Luongo was stuck on bad teams for years. People will always question an elite goalie who hasnt won the big prize.

Personally I'll take Cam Ward as my best goalie with Luongo close behind and I know I'll get ridiculed for it.

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07-16-2009, 01:06 AM
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I know this may seem insane to some, but Shea Weber is the most overrated player on HFBoards. Not in the hockey world and media, but on HF. Either he's the most overrated player, or Ryan Suter is the most underrated, because Suter is just as good, if not better than Weber.

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07-16-2009, 01:20 AM
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People said Hasek was overrated because he couldnt win a cup. Same thing with Belfour for a long time. Same thing with Cujo who like Luongo was stuck on bad teams for years. People will always question an elite goalie who hasnt won the big prize.

Personally I'll take Cam Ward as my best goalie with Luongo close behind and I know I'll get ridiculed for it.
Hasek with Buffalo:
-6 Vezina Trophies
-2 Hart Trophies
-2 Pearson Trophies
-6 First Team All Star nods
-Led the league in save % by huge margins for several years
-Highest Career Save % in history (even after it was lowered while playing for Detroit)
-Had a MUCH better GAA and Win % than any of his backups
-Led a team no better than Vancouver to the finals.
-Upset Canada for the Olympic Gold Medal (not technically Buffalo, but same time frame)

Luongo career:
-2 Second Team All Star nods
-Mark Messier Leadership award for March 2007
-Scotiabank Fan Fav Award 2009
-Led his team to the 2nd round both times he made the playoffs

As for Cam Ward, he's the goalie I'm watching most closely next year. He would have been my #2 choice for the Vezina last year, as his amazing play down the stretch led Carolina to the playoffs.

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07-16-2009, 01:23 AM
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I know this may seem insane to some, but Shea Weber is the most overrated player on HFBoards. Not in the hockey world and media, but on HF. Either he's the most overrated player, or Ryan Suter is the most underrated, because Suter is just as good, if not better than Weber.
Weber is overrated by the media too - he was 5th in voting for the end of the year All Star Teams, ahead of Duncan Keith!

He's a young defenseman who can score goals and make big hits and is first getting noticed - basically the Phaneuf of the following year.

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07-16-2009, 01:24 AM
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Who else would you like me to put in the poll? We can make another one if you want. Put anyone you want in it. Do you want Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin in it because they are talked about a lot? Crosby will get about 30% of the vote because people hate him, Ovechkin will get about 15% of the vote because Crosby fans will be upset and try to bring Ovechkin down with Crosby, Malkin will get about 10% because some people are stupid, and Luongo will get the rest of the votes. The difference is, Crosby has a Hart trophy, an Art Ross trophy, and a Stanley Cup. Ovechkin has a Calder trophy, 2 Hart Trophies, an Art Ross, and 2 Richard trophies. Malkin has a Calder trophy, an Art Ross, a Conn Smythe, and a Stanley Cup. I guess Luongo has a fan favourite trophy?

How about using players such as.....

Phaneuf
Kaberle
Backstrom
Luongo
Lundqvist
O. Jokinen
S. Weber
M. Komisarek

People that are usually overrated, instead of Kane, Toews and Zetterberg who are NOT very overrated. This Poll makes your intent pretty clear IMO, and that intent is for a lopsided result.

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07-16-2009, 01:36 AM
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How about using players such as.....

Phaneuf
Kaberle
Backstrom
Luongo
Lundqvist
O. Jokinen
S. Weber
M. Komisarek

People that are usually overrated, instead of Kane, Toews and Zetterberg who are NOT very overrated. This Poll makes your intent pretty clear IMO, and that intent is for a lopsided result.
New poll is up, I'm predicting that Luongo, Kaberle, or Phaneuf will win it.

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07-16-2009, 01:40 AM
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I know this may seem insane to some, but Shea Weber is the most overrated player on HFBoards. Not in the hockey world and media, but on HF. Either he's the most overrated player, or Ryan Suter is the most underrated, because Suter is just as good, if not better than Weber.
Right now, Suter>Weber

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How about using players such as.....

Phaneuf
Kaberle
Backstrom
Luongo
Lundqvist
O. Jokinen
S. Weber
M. Komisarek

People that are usually overrated, instead of Kane, Toews and Zetterberg who are NOT very overrated. This Poll makes your intent pretty clear IMO, and that intent is for a lopsided result.
Toews and Kane were picked over quite a few players with more points than them in the recent "top forwards" polls here. One of these players is Havlat, who, in addition to having more points than either, played a more defensive role. Toews has leadership and all that stuff, but what does Kane have other than scoring at the moment?

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07-16-2009, 02:19 AM
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Hasek with Buffalo:
-6 Vezina Trophies
-2 Hart Trophies
-2 Pearson Trophies
-6 First Team All Star nods
-Led the league in save % by huge margins for several years
-Highest Career Save % in history (even after it was lowered while playing for Detroit)
-Had a MUCH better GAA and Win % than any of his backups
-Led a team no better than Vancouver to the finals.
-Upset Canada for the Olympic Gold Medal (not technically Buffalo, but same time frame)

Luongo career:
-2 Second Team All Star nods
-Mark Messier Leadership award for March 2007
-Scotiabank Fan Fav Award 2009
-Led his team to the 2nd round both times he made the playoffs
He wasn't saying that Luongo is as good as Hasek, just that people always criticize good goalies who play on bad teams. Secondly, you're comparing Hasek's entire career against Luongo. Since Luongo just turned 30, let's compare him to Hasek at the age of 30:

Hasek in Buffalo (at the age of 30):

-2 Vezina Trophies
-1 Hart Trophy runner-up
-2 First Team All Star nods
-Led the league in save % twice
-Highest Career Save % in history
-Had a MUCH better GAA and Win % than any of his backups
-Eliminated in the first round in both playoff appearances
-Career playoff record of 5-10

Luongo career (at the age of 30):

-1 Hart Trophy runner-up
-2 Second Team All Star nods
-Second Highest Career Save % in history
-Had a much better GAA and Win % than his backups
-Led his team to the 2nd round both times he made the playoffs
-Holds NHL record for most saves in a playoff game
-Second-highest single season win total ever (47)

Back then Hasek was a goalie with a high save percentage who had never won anything in the playoffs, and most of the anti-Luongo arguments here could be used against him then, except the "no Vezinas" argument. Then again, on the day that he turned 30 Martin Brodeur also had 0 Vezinas and 2 Second Team All-Stars.

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07-16-2009, 02:30 AM
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Back then Hasek was a goalie with a high save percentage who had never won anything in the playoffs, and most of the anti-Luongo arguments here could be used against him then, except the "no Vezinas" argument. Then again, on the day that he turned 30 Martin Brodeur also had 0 Vezinas and 2 Second Team All-Stars.
Too bad on the day he turned 30 he only had a Calder Trophy, 2 Jennings and 2 Stanley Cup rings..

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I'd just like to know what he's ever accomplished? Apparently he's better than Marty Brodeur.
I actually meant he made mistake adding Luongo because he is going to "win" this poll for sure.

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one can argue a case between Lundqvist and Luongo, but Lundqvist does have an Olympic gold medal.
Lundqvist has olympic gold medal... ok.... does that make him better than Luongo ?? Seriously, i can say for sure, if Luongo was in net for Sweden they would've won it anyways.

But i do think Luongo is slightly overrated still.

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Toews. He's got good offensive skill, but talking to people you'd think he was a ppg player the last two years. Still a great young player.

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Toews. He's got good offensive skill, but talking to people you'd think he was a ppg player the last two years. Still a great young player.


You're right some people seem to not be able to detach potential and current levels of play. Having said that Toews has 123pts in 146gp in the NHL, that isn't a mile away from being a PPG. One thing that Toews does seem to be very good at is scoring goals. He scored 34 goals in his second NHL season which is pretty impressive and he was on pace for 30 in his rookie year. Toews could develop into one of the best goalscoring centres in the league while also being one of the most solid defensively and a great leader. If you look at the stats this year the only centres who scored more goals than Toews were Carter (46), Staal (40) and Malkin (36) (i am not counting Marleau becuase he was a winger for most of the year).

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Hasek with Buffalo:
-6 Vezina Trophies
-2 Hart Trophies
-2 Pearson Trophies
-6 First Team All Star nods
-Led the league in save % by huge margins for several years
-Highest Career Save % in history (even after it was lowered while playing for Detroit)
-Had a MUCH better GAA and Win % than any of his backups
-Led a team no better than Vancouver to the finals.
-Upset Canada for the Olympic Gold Medal (not technically Buffalo, but same time frame)

Luongo career:
-2 Second Team All Star nods
-Mark Messier Leadership award for March 2007
-Scotiabank Fan Fav Award 2009
-Led his team to the 2nd round both times he made the playoffs

As for Cam Ward, he's the goalie I'm watching most closely next year. He would have been my #2 choice for the Vezina last year, as his amazing play down the stretch led Carolina to the playoffs.
I didnt mean Luongo is anywhere near Hasek, even the biggest homer of all homers would agree they are miles apart. I was just saying people have always questioned the goalie who hasnt won it all, regardless of whether or not their team was any good.

I think Ward was a legit Vezina candidate, he was incredible down the stretch and he's proven he steps up his game big time during the playoffs.

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Jonathan Toews got my vote but in all reality none of them are overrated.

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