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07-14-2009, 09:57 PM
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Hawks fans, any interest in a package starting with:

1st
Ales Hemsky
Jordan Eberle OR Andrew Cogliano
Ladislav Smid

for Patrick Kane? Is he even on the table if things really go south next year? Hemsky's no Kane, but Hossa-Toews-Hemsky is a dominant top line. The young winger will be a 2nd line player by 2011at most and Smid can cheaply fill in for Sopel (although you have Hjalmarsson for that role, I suppose).

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Hawks fans, any interest in a package starting with:

1st
Ales Hemsky
Jordan Eberle OR Andrew Cogliano
Ladislav Smid

for Patrick Kane? Is he even on the table if things really go south next year? Hemsky's no Kane, but Hossa-Toews-Hemsky is a dominant top line. The young winger will be a 2nd line player by 2011at most and Smid can cheaply fill in for Sopel (although you have Hjalmarsson for that role, I suppose).
Well if its as dire as some extremists like to believe then of course Kane is on the table.

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07-17-2009, 02:57 AM
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Kane to Buffalo for:

Stafford
Enroth
Gerbe
1st in 2010

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07-17-2009, 05:22 PM
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Hawks fans, any interest in a package starting with:

1st
Ales Hemsky
Jordan Eberle OR Andrew Cogliano
Ladislav Smid

for Patrick Kane? Is he even on the table if things really go south next year? Hemsky's no Kane, but Hossa-Toews-Hemsky is a dominant top line. The young winger will be a 2nd line player by 2011at most and Smid can cheaply fill in for Sopel (although you have Hjalmarsson for that role, I suppose).
Holy hell. LOL 1st round pick, Hemsky, Cogliano, and Smid? Done and DONE. The ONLY problem is, I don't know how much money we save. If Kane gets 6.5, and each of those three guys gets a third of that, we're back to square one. I don't know where Hemsky's at now...but he's gotta be due a raise soon. Same with Cogliano when he's done with his ELC.

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07-17-2009, 05:24 PM
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Kane to Buffalo for:

Stafford
Enroth
Gerbe
1st in 2010
Counter 1:
Stafford
Enroth
MacArthur
1st in 2010

Counter 2:
Stafford
Myers
1st in 2010

Regardelss of how "untouchable" Myers might be...he hasn't played a day in the NHL, and defensemen take a while to develop. Kane is production right here, right now...AND a marketing wet dream in Buffalo.

I have to say, your initial offer and my first counter offer aren't as appealing as the Edmonton offer.

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07-18-2009, 10:48 AM
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I would say, trade Campbell instead of Kane!

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07-18-2009, 11:53 AM
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I would say, trade Campbell instead of Kane!
They're Buffalo fans. They want the hometown kid.

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07-29-2009, 06:38 PM
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I would say, trade Campbell instead of Kane!
I would say its going to be extreamly hard pressed to trade him

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A good GM is able to trade him. If he would trade Kane to the Oilers, i would get Oilers Fan.

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How will they sign Kane, Toews and Keith next season???

Hi all.

Iv been looking at NHL Numbers and was surprise to see that both your top superstars Kane and Toews are still no sign and they both become RFA , along with Keith, at the end of the season, and i am wondering, how Chicago will manage to sign all these players, eh, even Ladd!

Ok, one sure thing is that Madden will have to look for another team next season, so that can give a little 3m cushion. And a few otehr players also become UFA, RFA, but, they have to sign back these players, or have some players from the minor sign their spot, at minimum salaries. And the other problem, is that only 4 dmen are sign for next season, so you guys got to get dmen to replace these spots.And we must not forget, that the nhl cap might go down next season.

So i am wondering, how Ladd,Keith,Toews and Kane will shill share aprox 5m of money left to get a raise. Is a trade have been discused? I dlike to know.


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08-01-2009, 11:37 AM
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Dump Campbell + Huet.

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Dump Campbell + Huet.
Campbell has NTC tho..

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Dump Campbell + Huet.
If he plays poorly this season, and thus ruins any chance of a trade, I say just "Nylander-ize" Huet. Here's how it works:

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If Nylander and his agent strike a deal with a European team, the most likely destination would be a wealthy club in Russia's Kontinental Hockey League. Nylander would then have to waive his no-movement clause and clear NHL waivers. After that, the Capitals would "assign" Nylander to the team. If such a transaction is completed, the Capitals will continue to pay Nylander's salary, but it won't count against Washington's salary cap, possibly providing the team with some much-needed space under the salary cap ceiling. It's also possible the Capitals will receive several million dollars from Nylander's new team under the arrangement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091202820.html
That and the eventual Sharp & Sopel trades (for a cheap goalie preferably) should be enough to enable the re-signing of Kane, Toews, and Keith, among others.


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If he plays poorly this season, and thus ruins any chance of a trade, I say just "Nylander-ize" Huet. Here's how it works:



That and the eventual Sharp & Sopel trades (for a cheap goalie preferably) should be enough to enable the re-signing of Kane, Toews, and Keith, among others.
We tried to do that with Khabibulin, didn't work so well.

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09-19-2009, 04:28 PM
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Path of Least Resistance?

Hey Blackhawks fans.

Bruins fan coming in peace.


Just want your input on how the team will go about navigating the salary cap next year. From an outsider's perspective, it looks like they could very well have close to 30M tied up in Hossa, Sharp, Kane, Toews, and Campbell after next offseason. Is this how you see it?

And who exactly on the team has no-trade clauses? If the cap is stagnant again, whose heads will be on the block? And if you had to keep one of Toews/Kane, which would it be? (Sorry if that's a powder keg of a question!)

Basically... what would be the path of least resistance for the organization to take in order to maintain their spot near the top of the conference?


For what it's worth, Chicago is one of the best cities I've ever been to and the Blackhawks are one of my favorite Western Conference teams (Anaheim being the other right now).

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09-22-2009, 02:43 PM
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Quick question...With the rookie bonus cushion going back to a carryover system for next year. What if Kane and Toews completly break out this year and hit their rookie bonus. This will make next year even more difficult consider their RB combine to 4.5+ Mill. Is that money being used this year or will the Hawks just worry about it when the time comes?

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09-22-2009, 05:06 PM
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It's not actually possible, unless by some act of God they are co-winners of the Hart, co-winners of the Art Ross etc.

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Proposal: Kane to Buffalo

Offer: 1st round picks in 2010,2011,2012

Thoughts?

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10-12-2009, 04:32 PM
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Ok let me lay out what will happen! (What I think will happen)

I believe the CAP will fall to 54 million for next year. Attendance looks on pace to replaicate last year and TV deal is same so I dont expect the drastic drop some believe will happen. Kane and Toews will not reach majority of there bonuses so I dont expect problems arising from there bonus cushion.

Ok my belief is we will see Kane and Toews sign contracts for 5.25 mil hits (I expect similar deals to Kessel, etc) and Keith at 5.0 (He seems to want to be a Hawk for life so I expect a longterm low cap hit deal)
Hjalmarsson will be retained at a raise up to 1.1 Mil
Skille's entry level deal will be over and he will be signed to lower cap hit of 950k
Jordan Hendry will be retained at an increase to 725k
Ladd, Eager and Niemi will be let go as RFA's

Sopel and Huet will be waived if no trade is available!
Versteeg and Barker will be moved after season
Hawks will move to acquire Halak or Harding via a trade and sign them to new contract

Patrick Sharp (3.9) - Jonahtan Toews (5.25) - Marion Hossa (5.275)
Dustin Byfuglien (3.0) - Dave Bolland (3.375) - Patrick Kane (5.25)
Akim Aliu (.846) - Evan Brophey (.850) - Jack Skille (.950)
Tomas Kopecky (1.2) - Jake Dowell (.525) - Troy Brouwer ( 1.025)
Bryan Bickell (.500)

Duncan Keith (5.0) - Brent Seabrook (3.5)
Brian Campbell (7.143) - Niklas Hjalmarsson (1.1)
Jordan Hendry (.725) - Mike Brennan (.750)
Brian Connelly (.875)

Jaroslav Halak (2.0)
Corey Crawford (.800)

Hawks will be somewhat weaker next year but our prospect pool is strong and we should be able to survive the losses of several members of our team (Ladd, Eager , Versteeg and Barker)

We also have the assets to try and move guys like Campbell and Huet. We have 2 1st's and 4 2nd round picks over the next 2 coming drafts and guys like Beach, Aliu and Skille who we can try to use to move a contract.

So what does everyone think of my plan/prediction?

The loss of Barker, Ladd, Versteeg and Eager would hurt but I believe guys like Aliu can at least partially replace that production.

Moving Barker and Versteeg would net us additional assets (prospects and picks) to help for future.

We would be weaker offensively but I dont believe it would be a drastic drop off and Halak would be an upgrade over Huet

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10-15-2009, 10:32 AM
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here was my hypothetical scenario, pretty un-realistic though
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Hypothetical situation to keep the Big 3 and the core.

-Assume Brian Campbell gets traded along with a few picks/prospects
-Waive Huet & Sopel, send them down to minors
-Sign Biron to a 1 year, $1.5 million contract
-Sign Toews & Kane to 12 year $72 million contracts
-Sign Kieth to a 6 year $32.4 million contract
-Sign ladd to a 4 year $10.4 contract
-Sign Madden to a 1 year $1.5 million contract(hopefully takes discount)
-Sign Hjalmarsson to a 2 year $4.0 million contract
-Trade a pick for garnett Exelby

Sharp(3.9)-Toews(6)-Kane(6)
Hossa(5.2)-Bolland(3.375)-Buff(3)
Ladd(2.6)-Madden(1.5)-Versteeg(3.063)
Eager(1)-Kopecky(1.2)-Brouwer/Skille(1)


Kieth(5.4)-Seabrook(3.5)
Barker(3.063)-Hjalmarsson(2)
Lalonde(.900)-XLB(0.8)


Niemi(1.2)
Biron(1.5)

Total: $56.175

Thats all assuming the cap stays as is, gives wiggle room for call ups.

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Not Bad Mr Tavares assuming we can trade Campbell.

I think Eager is gonna be gone as they will want Aliu or Skille to be up permantly with big club.

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Not Bad Mr Tavares assuming we can trade Campbell.

I think Eager is gonna be gone as they will want Aliu or Skille to be up permantly with big club.
well yours is certainly more realistic, although i guess less promising as the bottem 6 is gutted for guys who are un-proven at the NHL level.

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this is sadly a double post but i coulndt restrain myself:


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Hypothetical situation to keep the Big 3 and the core.
Close but not quite in my opinion:
Assuming the cap stays the same:

-Deal Huet(5,625) /waive him whatever, just get him out from cap
-Sign/trade Goalie (Niittymäki, ffs, sign Niittymäki) for ~1.5 mil p/y

= ~4,925 cap space

-Trade/waive Sopel(2,250) and Bring Up Lalonde/Hendry/other prospect(0,850).

= ~6,325 cap space

-Trade Andrew Ladd (1.650/ X? x meaning we dont know what he would sign) and bring up Beach/Aliu/Skille (0,850, they maybe might get bonuses what would add more but i doubt it) etc someone of those guys.

= ~7,125 cap space

-Madden is out of picture next year, we will not sign him again, thats why we signed him 1 year contract in the first place, if we could have afforded Madden for more years, we would have done it.

= ~9,875 cap space

sign Kane(3,725) and Toews(2,800) to similiar front loaded multi year contracts for 5.5 mil cap hit.

= ~5,400 cap space

- Sign Keith(1,475) to multiyear 5 mil per year contract.

= ~1,875 cap space.

- Sign Hjalmarsson(0,650) for ~1,5 mil.

= 1,025 Cap space. (wich is more than we have now).

for example:

Sharp - Toews - Hossa
Bufyglien - Bolland - Kane
Versteeg - Fraser - Kopecky
Eager - Beach - Burish

Seabrook - Keith
Hjalmarsson - Campbell
Barker - Lalonde

Niitymäki (or mr X)
Niemi

That would be the way to go if we want to keep all the young guns playing for us (except Ladd, we need to make room to our LW anyway next year with Beach coming up).

Now, that doesnt mean we do it that way, i will assume there will be one major trade coming next summer, where we trade 1 player for cap (Versteeg, Buff, Campbell, Huet), thats just becouse bowman is gonna get ****loads of offers from other teams.
We might even sign Madden for one more year.

Its just that our cap situation aint that bad what people think it is, we have options to go many ways.

Warning: All the math in this post is made as quickly as possible without thinking really so there might be mistakes as i cant be arsed to double check.
Also all are estimates, as we know Cap in NHL aint that easy to count as many believe it is, its a mathematical mess.

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Hi guys,

First, let me say that (as an Islanders fan) I'm envious of the great young team you guys have built. I just had a quick question though.

I was looking at your cap situation and I saw that Kane, Toews, and Keith are all RFAs at the conclusion of the season. Is the team in any danger of losing one of them? Is this even a concern within the fanbase, or is there a clear plan to sign all three longterm?

Just wondering. Thanks guys.

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