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Best all time "big three" defense

View Poll Results: Best big three of all time?
Robinson - Savard - Lapointe 112 55.45%
Stevens - Niedermayer - Rafalski 63 31.19%
Pronger - Niedermayer - Beauchemin 12 5.94%
Lidstrom - Rafalski - Kronwall 13 6.44%
Other (please name) 2 0.99%
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07-12-2009, 06:20 PM
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habs trio is the best

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That is a copout of an excuse. People that refuse to look past stats and size of a goalie's equipment believe that eras can't be compared. It is very easy to compare eras in fact. You compare them to their peers. That's all. How did Robinson, Savard and Lapointe compare? No team at that time was even close defensively.

Oh yeah and you need to educate yourself a bit better when talking about it being easy to win Cups. Ask Gordie Howe if Rocket Richard curled up into a ball while they played together? Do you think the '70 Bruins and '70s Flyers didnt do everything in their power to beat the Habs? It has NEVER been easy to win the Stanley Cup. It has NEVER been easy to win two Cups in a row. And regardless of the era it has NEVER been easy to win 5 Cups in a row which is why only one team has done it. Capish?
Sorry Master. I read all your thing and still think you can't compare different ERAs, simply because factors/time are different. How do you know how the "unique" Nickals Lidstrom would look at that time? And vice-versa. Things aren't linear.

Am i even more uneducated now?

And by the way, it's "capiche"

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Great chart. You're missing a Smythe for Lidstrom, though. Anyway, your chart perfectly illustrates why Montreal's trio beats NJ's trio with no contest - Rafalski isn't on the same level as the other guys.

Personally, I'd pick Stevens, Niedermayer, Daneyko as the Devil's defensive core over 3 Cups, but it obviously doesn't make a difference in the results.
Yeah. I was a bit surprised to see Rafalski instead of Daneyko.

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07-14-2009, 12:16 AM
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Ray Bourque, Brad Park, and Brad McCrimmon were a pretty solid 3, with Mike O'Connell and Mike Milbury behind them. Though I can't deny the greatness of Robinson, Savard, and Lapointe.

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holy **** rafalski neidermayer and stevens if forgot about that probably the best

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McCabe - Kaberle - Kubina

Unstoppable.

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i think clapper was still a RW for a few years after hitchman retired.



cleghorn, cameron, boucher
cleghorn, gerard, boucher
gerard, boucher, clancy (clancy was young)

quackenbush, stewart, kelly (kelly was young)

kelly, pronovost, reise/goldham

harvey, johnson, talbot

pronger, macinnis, duchesne

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Stevens - Daneyko - Neidermayer

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McCabe - Kaberle - Kubina

Unstoppable.
They damn right should have been they were costing us 5.75M + 4.25M + 5M = 15M combined under a 44M or 50.3M Salary Cap! Thats 34% or 30% of the total cap space!

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Yo can't even compare the habs trio

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They damn right should have been they were costing us 5.75M + 4.25M + 5M = 15M combined under a 44M or 50.3M Salary Cap! Thats 34% or 30% of the total cap space!
How much were you guys paying Gill. I thought it was like 4 mill, maybe not.

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Sorry Master. I read all your thing and still think you can't compare different ERAs, simply because factors/time are different. How do you know how the "unique" Nickals Lidstrom would look at that time? And vice-versa. Things aren't linear.

Am i even more uneducated now?

And by the way, it's "capiche"
Still voting against the Habs everywhere ?

Anyone not voting for Robinson/Lapointe/Savard just doesn't have any clue about hot great they were. Not even close of those others big three.

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The term "big three" was invented for Robinson-Savard-Lapointe. They earned it because they consistently contended for the Norris. The other groups listed have good duos (Stevens-Neidermayer, Pronger-Niedermayer) but lack that third guy that's on the same level.

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Still voting against the Habs everywhere ?

Anyone not voting for Robinson/Lapointe/Savard just doesn't have any clue about hot great they were. Not even close of those others big three.


Weren't you supposed to be "a decade older" than me?

I'm saying it's almost impossible to compare players in different Eras because of so many factors and you say i'm voting against the Habs? How is that relevant?

I voted only among players i have seen play. I didn't have the chance to see Robinson and his partners play because i only came in NA in 1991. Did you see them play at least? If you're that old, you prolly wouldn't have that attitude with me...

Heck, in the "worst UFA signing" poll, i didn't even vote for Gionta, although he is the concensus choice. I voted for Rob Scuderi. In the Markov vs Kaberle thread, i picked Markov, although i would have picked Kaberle 1-2 years ago.

So, are you gonna follow me everywhere now? Have fun

Anyway, i'm going back to work next week, so you'll be free of me, don't worry

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Bourque - Foote - Blake
Not...even...close.

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I'll take Lidstrom-Konstantinov-Murphy over Lidstrom-Rafalski-Kronwall. Just really a shame what happened Vladdie.

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i think clapper was still a RW for a few years after hitchman retired.



cleghorn, cameron, boucher
cleghorn, gerard, boucher
gerard, boucher, clancy (clancy was young)

quackenbush, stewart, kelly (kelly was young)

kelly, pronovost, reise/goldham

harvey, johnson, talbot

pronger, macinnis, duchesne
Come to think of it, these two early Sens pairings probably give the Habs trio their best competition.

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Ray Bourque, Brad Park, and Brad McCrimmon were a pretty solid 3, with Mike O'Connell and Mike Milbury behind them. Though I can't deny the greatness of Robinson, Savard, and Lapointe.
When they played for the Bruins, certainly O'Connell was a better player than McCrimmon.

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Sorry Master. I read all your thing and still think you can't compare different ERAs, simply because factors/time are different. How do you know how the "unique" Nickals Lidstrom would look at that time? And vice-versa. Things aren't linear.

Am i even more uneducated now?

And by the way, it's "capiche"
I'd say you can't compare different players, period. What if Lidstrom played his whole career for Winnepeg/Phoenix? Different factors/teammates/attitudes/air/etc. This whole concept of comparing players in team sports is ridiculous. Tennis, bowling, golf, archery sure. But team sports? May as well compare Lidstrom to Derek Jeter.

Kudos on the capiche spelling, though.

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I'd say you can't compare different players, period. What if Lidstrom played his whole career for Winnepeg/Phoenix? Different factors/teammates/attitudes/air/etc. This whole concept of comparing players in team sports is ridiculous. Tennis, bowling, golf, archery sure. But team sports? May as well compare Lidstrom to Derek Jeter.

Kudos on the capiche spelling, though.
You're not wrong at all but at least we can compare the players we've seen play in the same period of time. I don't know about you but i don't remember what happened 25 years ago much...

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