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07-20-2009, 08:28 PM
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Gaborik

Now that the rangers are putting the finishing touches on the roster and you get to see who the rangers have to let go and who the rangers are going to have to trade (Zherdev). Is anyone else mad out there that Gaborik didn't take a paycut or anything in that matter. The guy played 17 games last season and came back at the end of the season and yes he played good but he was playing for a contract.

I understand that he is projected to score 49 goals if he is healthy but there is a VERY high risk with this player. here is his list of injures;

22-Mar-09 Missed 38 games (hip surgery).
24-Dec-08 Groin, sidelined indefinitely.
17-Dec-08 Missed 27 games (back injury).
16-Oct-08 Back injury, day-to-day.
15-Nov-07 Missed 3 games (groin).
05-Nov-07 Groin, day-to-day.
01-Nov-07 Missed 2 games (groin).
27-Oct-07 Groin, day-to-day.
06-Jan-07 Missed 34 games (groin strain).
02-Jan-07 Groin strain, day-to-day.
21-Oct-06 Groin strain, sidelined indefinitely.
23-Nov-05 Missed 11 games (hip flexor).
25-Oct-05 Hip flexor, sidelined indefinitely.
19-Oct-05 Missed 6 games (groin).
04-Oct-05 Groin, mid-October.
28-Sep-05 Groin, day-to-day.
02-Feb-04 Missed 5 games (hip flexor).
22-Jan-04 Hip flexor, day-to-day.
17-Dec-02 Missed 1 game (flu).
15-Dec-02 Flu, day-to-day.
28-Dec-01 Missed 3 games (groin).
22-Dec-01 Groin, day-to-day.
07-Oct-01 Missed 1 game (hernia).
01-Oct-01 Hernia, day-to-day.
08-Apr-01 Missed the last 4 games of the regular season (abdominal strain).
02-Apr-01 Abdominal strain, day-to-day.
30-Nov-00 Missed 6 games (left leg injury).
17-Nov-00 Left leg injury, day-to-day.


I really do feel that sather could have gotten this player to sign for less than 7.5 million. Hossa signed for 5.23M per, i understand that he got 12 Yrs but he is also a very good player that took less money.

Martin Havlet signed for 5M and for only 1 more year than what Gaborik got.

What I'm trying to say is that when all is said and done, We are not going to be able to afford zherdev. If there was just one player on this team that took a paycut we could possibly sign another top player and become a serious contender. Every player from Lundqvist to Callahan has tried to get what they can get.

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Please, Havlat is a talent that can't be denied. But please don't say he's a Gaborik level talent, because he isn't. And you can shave off the last 3 years of Hossa's contract off, because he won't play those years no matter what.

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I hear gaborik is prone to injury...

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Please, Havlat is a talent that can't be denied. But please don't say he's a Gaborik level talent, because he isn't. And you can shave off the last 3 years of Hossa's contract off, because he won't play those years no matter what.
I understand that Gaborik is a better player than havlat but both of them have almost identical careers. They both came into the NHL the same year (2000 - 2001 season ) which means they have played a total of 7 seasons each.

Gaborik totals are;
502GP 219G 218A 437P

Havlat's totals are;
470GP 169G 227A 396P

They are not that far off from points. And take into account that Gaborik has played 32 more games than Havlat. They look pretty close in production.

Gaborik is .87 Points Per Game
Havlat is .84 Points Per Game

Do u think that .03 PPG is worth 2.5M more?

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I understand that Gaborik is a better player than havlat but both of them have almost identical careers. They both came into the NHL the same year (2000 - 2001 season ) which means they have played a total of 7 seasons each.

Gaborik totals are;
502GP 219G 218A 437P

Havlat's totals are;
470GP 169G 227A 396P

They are not that far off from points. And take into account that Gaborik has played 32 more games than Havlat. They look pretty close in production.

Gaborik is .87 Points Per Game
Havlat is .84 Points Per Game

Do u think that .03 PPG is worth 2.5M more?
Do you think that Havlat and Gaborik have had the same caliber teammates their whole careers too? I mean, Havlat in Ottawa and Chicago, and Gabby playing in Minny, with NOBODY!? Come on, please get a clue.

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Why should he take a paycut? He's paid his dues....he's a UFA.

Hockey is a business and a livelihood.

I have no problem with the contract as long as he lives up to it. But that is the expectation going in so ...yea PAYDAY

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Havlat had a MAJOR concussion in the playoffs,now groins and leg injuries,those are recoverable but concussions NEVER go away,havlat knew full well he wasin't getting 7mill or anywhere near.

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I understand that Gaborik is a better player than havlat but both of them have almost identical careers. They both came into the NHL the same year (2000 - 2001 season ) which means they have played a total of 7 seasons each.

Gaborik totals are;
502GP 219G 218A 437P

Havlat's totals are;
470GP 169G 227A 396P

They are not that far off from points. And take into account that Gaborik has played 32 more games than Havlat. They look pretty close in production.

Gaborik is .87 Points Per Game
Havlat is .84 Points Per Game

Do u think that .03 PPG is worth 2.5M more?
I'll be the first to say that those stats are extremely appealing and may cause some to doubt how good gaborik is.

Take this into consideration, throughout gaborik's nhl career he played under the strict defensive scheme of the minnesota wild. Playing under such a strategy definitely took a toll on Gaborik's point production.

Now look under the teams that Havlat has played under. Chicago Blackhawks and Ottawa Senators. I will not admit i know the strategies of the teams, but its fair to say that the Blackhawks are not a defense first team and i don't believe that the Senators were either. This definitely helped to increase Havlat's stats as compared to Gabby playing under a defensive trap for all those years.

I do believe Gabby is warranted the money from the contract, but i also hope to whatever higher power that there may be that he stays healthy and lights it up on Broadway!

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Beating a dead horse? Sure we know it was a gamble, but Gaborik is also a force, that is a fact. I'm, as I think most people are, optimistic that he will stay healthy and thrive in New York.

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Gaborik is the better player and while I thought he was going to take about 6 million I dont think 7.5 is unreasonable. It was what he was making on his last contract correct?

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07-Oct-01 Missed 1 game (hernia).
Look at how tough he is. He had a hernia and only missed one game!

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The point that i was trying to show is that i think we could have signed gaborik for less than 7.5M , Everyone thought that Gaborik would sign for 6, thats 1.5 M less (money for zherdev etc.)

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The point that i was trying to show is that i think we could have signed gaborik for less than 7.5M , Everyone thought that Gaborik would sign for 6, thats 1.5 M less (money for zherdev etc.)
No, we couldn't have. You realize other teams were bidding for his services, right? Unless we wanted to sign him to a 12 year deal, we weren't getting a better cap hit.

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No, we couldn't have. You realize other teams were bidding for his services, right? Unless we wanted to sign him to a 12 year deal, we weren't getting a better cap hit.
Exactly. My best guess is that LA was offering him between 7 and 7.5, maybe for a shorter term.

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Havlat had a MAJOR concussion in the playoffs,now groins and leg injuries,those are recoverable but concussions NEVER go away,havlat knew full well he wasin't getting 7mill or anywhere near.
while paying the last three season's in chicago havlat made 6M per.

This thread isn't about who is better or we should have signed Havlat... I'm just simply point out that gaborik has a very large contract and that i feel we could have signed him for less to have some extra money to fill the roster evenly and not have a 3rd line winger and a 2nd line center playing the first line.

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Gaborik, his injury history and his contract have been discussed ad nauseum over the past two weeks. There's really no reason for another thread on this.

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