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07-19-2009, 12:22 PM
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I think with the losses the Wings have suffered, Datsyuk and Zetterberg will be putting up higher numbers, especially Zetterberg. Datsyuk had a slow start to his season(for his standards) so hopefully without Hossa hogging the puck, he can play his game. Zetterberg has no contract talks on his mind and also Hossa's gone, so he will easily hit 90+ if he stays healthy(75+ games).

Filpulla I could see really surprising some people, he's around that breakout age for the Wings, I could see him putting up 20g 40a or something similar. Franzen, he's definitely got 40+ goals in him, he must have a ton of confidence now, so as long as he hits 75+ games, close to 40 or above is likely. Cleary, especially if he plays with Datsyuk, can and will put up 30 goals. He was on pace in 07-08 before the Toronto game and last year he was put on the third line. Look what he did in the playoffs when healthy, just fantastic.

With a full season, I believe Helm can put up 15 goals, 20 assists, Leino playing on the top 6 is somewhat of a wildcard. He had great numbers and played mainly on the third and fourth lines through 13 games last year. Will he get tired and have his production drop off... Probably, but his stint in the AHL might have really benefitted him. I won't be surprised with 20 goals, 20 assists, or if he surpasses those numbers.

On defense, I'd expect to see 50+ points from Lids, Rafalski, and Kronner. I believe Ericsson will pot close to 10 goals as well. It's going to be a great unit to watch, 4 good or great puck movers, with 3 tough guys and two heavy hitters.

I don't see the gloom and doom that a lot of people want to see. Helm, Abdlkater, Leino, and Ericsson will all make the transition(if they already haven't) and replace a of of the lost production, plus give the team more jump and energy.

Should be a fun year.

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07-19-2009, 05:43 PM
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He's only hit 90 once sure, but that was in only 75 games, and the same could have been said about Datsyuk last season, he had only hit 90 once. Basically it's a matter of how bad you think this year was for zetters, and I think between his regularly shifting wingers for a bunch of the season and the fact that he was playing with a greater emphasis on being a playmaker for his line when his ability to move without the puck makes him better suited to being somewhat on the sniper side of things, it doesn't seem extreme to predict a 90 point season for zetters if he gets the right circumstances.

That said, I wouldn't consider 80-89 a failure for him, and depending on how many games he makes, 70+ might be totally reasonable, although I hope he can be healthier than that.

The thing with Zetters is there are alot of big ifs surrounding this coming season I think which is what makes for the greater disparity between your view of his point totals and someone elses.
Thanks this is a great response.

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07-20-2009, 02:21 PM
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Zetterberg's points will definitly go up. He shouldn't have an off ice distractions and he'll likely be back with Datsyuk on the PP again. Zetterberg is a much better shooter than playmaker on the PP. Last year he was forced to play the playmaker/ forward QB which isn't really what he is best at. Despite being a center his offensive game is much more like a winger (Similar to Feds) and thats why he plays well with other centers. This is even more apparant on the PP than at 5 on 5. By the time Z and Dats were reunited last season, Z had spent so much time as a playmaker that they just didn't mesh right. Put them together early on and we'll see the Euro twin magic again. Both players are better when paired together because they are so hard to shut down when paired together. Dats also tends to get hurt less, because teams cannot target him as much when paired with Z. As for the rest of the Wings I expect career years from everyone but possibly Franzen who for the first time will see heavy defensive pressure.

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07-20-2009, 03:00 PM
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Datsyuk 92
Zetterberg 77
Franzen 68
Filppula 52
Cleary 50
Leino 33
Holmstrom 30
Helm 27
Abdelkader 18
Maltby 10
Draper 9

Lidstrom 52
Rafalski 50
Kronwall 39
Stuart 20
Ericsson 19
Lebda 10
Meech 5

Osgood 40-19-6
Howard 7-8-1
Larsson 0-1-0

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07-21-2009, 11:29 AM
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Yeah, I know he's a great player, but he's only hit 90 points once and seems to get nagging injuries every year, so I was wondering why so many of you guys predicted him getting 90-100 points this year.

You didn't need to explain it like I'm a 5th grade student.
I felt compelled.

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07-22-2009, 01:19 AM
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Datsyuk 92
Zetterberg 77
Franzen 68
Filppula 52
Cleary 50
Leino 33
Holmstrom 30
Helm 27
Abdelkader 18
Maltby 10
Draper 9

Lidstrom 52
Rafalski 50
Kronwall 39
Stuart 20
Ericsson 19
Lebda 10
Meech 5

Osgood 40-19-6
Howard 7-8-1
Larsson 0-1-0
No way does a 37 year old Chris Osgood play 65 games. The most hes ever played in his career is 67, and that was several years ago. I think they get at least 20 games out of Howard, and maybe 2-3 out of Larsson.

I'll give this a go, and go for some upsets. Its a new season, folks!

Zetterberg: 49G, 54A, 103 points
Datsyuk: 27G, 74A, 101 points
Hudler: 28G, 43A, 71 points
Franzen: 41G, 28A, 69 points
Cleary: 24G, 20A, 44 points
Leino: 14G, 27A, 41 points
Holmstrom: 19G, 19A, 38 points
Helm: 9G, 12A, 21 points
Abdelkader: 8G, 10A, 18 points
Maltby: 6G, 7A, 13 points
Draper: 5G, 7A, 12 points

Rafalski: 9G, 47A, 56 points
Lidstrom: 9G, 45A, 54 points
Kronwall: 8G, 46A, 54 points
Ericsson: 12G, 17A, 29 points
Lilja (?): 3G, 11A, 14 points
Lebda: 4G, 10A, 14 points
Meech: 1G, 6A, 7 points

Hopefully my math is right.


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07-22-2009, 07:19 AM
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No way does a 37 year old Chris Osgood play 65 games. The most hes ever played in his career is 67, and that was several years ago. I think they get at least 20 games out of Howard, and maybe 2-3 out of Larsson.

I'll give this a go, and go for some upsets. Its a new season, folks!

Zetterberg: 49G, 54A, 103 points
Datsyuk: 27G, 74A, 101 points
Hudler: 28G, 43A, 71 points
Franzen: 41G, 28A, 69 points
Cleary: 24G, 20A, 44 points
Leino: 14G, 27A, 41 points
Holmstrom: 19G, 19A, 38 points
Helm: 9G, 12A, 21 points
Abdelkader: 8G, 10A, 18 points
Maltby: 6G, 7A, 13 points
Draper: 5G, 7A, 12 points

Rafalski: 9G, 47A, 56 points
Lidstrom: 9G, 45A, 54 points
Kronwall: 8G, 46A, 54 points
Ericsson: 12G, 17A, 29 points
Lilja (?): 3G, 11A, 14 points
Lebda: 4G, 10A, 14 points
Meech: 1G, 6A, 7 points

Hopefully my math is right.
Uh oh, looks like Filppula has alot of injuries to look forward to, or are we playing 11 forwards 7 defence like the pens did for a while in the playoffs.

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07-22-2009, 11:00 AM
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Yeah, I know he's a great player, but he's only hit 90 points once and seems to get nagging injuries every year, so I was wondering why so many of you guys predicted him getting 90-100 points this year.

You didn't need to explain it like I'm a 5th grade student.
Zetterberg scored less this year because, not on the nr1 powerplay. nr2 forced after three years become the playmaker instead of the triggerman which is tied into not playing with Datsyuk.

If Zetterberg is reunited with Datsyuk on the first line, Z:s PPG is just as high as Datsyuk. That is a fact.

Though I do not think Zetterberg will score more points in the regular season given that he needs to rest his back a few games every season.


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07-22-2009, 08:32 PM
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Uh oh, looks like Filppula has alot of injuries to look forward to, or are we playing 11 forwards 7 defence like the pens did for a while in the playoffs.
No. I just hate Filppula and don't want to acknowledge that he might score more than 0 points this year.

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07-24-2009, 02:59 AM
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I just looked some stats and counted averages from the last 3 seasons.

We have scored 253 goals at season 2006-07 and got 113 points.
We have scored 257 goals at season 2007-08 and got 115 points.
We have scored 295 goals at season 2008-09 and got 112 points.

We won the cup with 257 regular season goals, so let's say, we can do it again with 255 goals that is 40 goals less than last season. Just what Hossa gave us.

So what this will tell for us? We don't need 295 goals a season to be succesful. So basically we don't have to replace Hossas 40 goals at all. We just have to play tighter defence like in 2006-07 and 2007-08 seasons, when we conceded 50 goals less than last season. And our defence is still rock solid. We can do it. No problem here.

But where the goals will come?

Here are the averages from the last 3 seasons:

Name - Games - Goals
Zetterberg - 72 - 36
Datsyuk - 80 - 30
Franzen - 71 - 24
Holmström - 63 - 21
Cleary - 69 - 18
Filppula - 77 - 14
Lidström - 78 - 13
Rafalski - 76 - 13
Draper - 75 - 10
Maltby - 74 - 6
Kronwall - 71 - 5
Lebda - 72 - 5
Leino - 13 - 5
Stuart - 68 - 2
Lilja - 65 - 1
Meech - 23 - 1
Ericsson - 14 - 1
Helm - 12 - 0
Abdelkader - 2 - 0

So this is total 205 goals with these averages. As you can see, this includes average injuries, so the estimates aren't for full season. But there is some potential waiting, because new guys will have more icetime.

What we really have to replace, are those goals that Hudler and Sammy and Kopecky took away. They were averaging total 36 goals (Huds 17, Sammy 15, Kopy 4) in the last 3 seasons. As I said earlier, Hossa's goals will be replaced with tighter defensive play, so forget them.

And after my estimates the numbers look this:

Zetterberg - 41 (+5 goals to the average because more of 1st PP time again, when Hossa gone)
Franzen - 34 (+10 to the average, the Mule does not stop, and will keep his last year scoring)
Datsyuk - 33 (+3 to the average, will shoot more, because Babcock will insist it)
Cleary - 25 (+7 goals, more PP icetime and bigger role when Hossa gone)
Holmström - 21 (same as his average, with healthy knees he can made his average, which is 7 goals more than last season)
Filppula - 16 (+2 goals, will make his best season because of 2nd PP icetime, but the biggest impact will be in assists)
Leino - 15 (+10 goals, 3rd line role and will score Sammy's average easily)
Lidström - 13 (same solid himself)
Rafalski - 13 (same solid himself)
Helm - 12 (+12 goals, this kind of playoff scorer will hit the net over 10 times for sure at next season)
Ericsson - 8 (+7 goals, rocket shot and 2nd PP icetime coming)
Abdelkader - 8 (+8 goals, if he makes the team he will score, he proofed it in the playoffs)
Kronwall - 6 (+1 goal, same as last season)
Draper - 5 (-5 goals, he is worning down and Helm will eat his icetime)
Maltby - 5 (-1 goal, worning down too)
Lebda - 4 (-1 goal, icetime will be reduced because of Ericsson and if Lilja will be back)
Stuart - 2 (same af before, two lucky bounces a season is good for him)
Lilja - 1 (same as before, one lucky bounce a year. hopefully he is healthy)
Meech - 1 (if he gets some icetime, maybe 1 goal again)

So this will make total of 263 goals. Doesn't look so bad at all, it's 6 more than in our Stanley Cup season.

And this scenario doesn't even include any Free agent signing. It's only the 11+8+2 man roster at the moment. If somebody comes, the goals will be away maybe from Abdelkader, but if the FA scores 10 goals, it's better than my estimate to Justin.

The goals will come from inside our own core with the growing icetime. Like they always have come.

We will be just fine.


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