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07-26-2009, 09:16 PM
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Isn't Plekenac pretty much a center and can play nothing else?

We don't have room for another center. Marleau play's LW now.

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07-26-2009, 10:07 PM
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Hey guys,

Honest question here..

Let's say you're offered Plekanec & Halak for Marleau.

Do you do it? Just wondering since it'd free up cap space, and Marleau is a pending UFA. Would that work for Marleau?
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I'd rather take a shot at the Cup with Marleau ...
I'd rather lose in the 1st round with Marleau next year than take crap that makes us worse and offers very little value for a 38 goal scorer.

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07-26-2009, 10:41 PM
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Hey guys,

Honest question here..

Let's say you're offered Plekanec & Halak for Marleau.

Do you do it? Just wondering since it'd free up cap space, and Marleau is a pending UFA. Would that work for Marleau?
Not a chance. The cap relief will come from the defense since we have 7 NHL defensemen signed. At worst case, the team could send down Cheechoo. But trading Marleau for lesser talent isn't a good solution for the Sharks this year. Its probably the last legitimate shot they have with this core of players ............... unless Marleau's wife insists that they stay in San Jose for $4M a season next year.

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07-27-2009, 06:32 PM
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To Montreal:

Marleau
Cheechoo
Greiss


To San Jose:


Plekanec
A.Kostitsyn
S.Kostitsyn
Halak


Habs: get a center that they need. A back-up goalie that will not challenge Price for the number one spot, and a big winger that Martin was looking for to pair with Gomez and Gionta.

Sharks: get a goalie who can challenge for the number one spot, possibly replace Nabakov next year when he falls to free agency. They get a younger and moree dynamic winger in Kostitsyn to rpelace Cheechoo for the same price. His brother who has plenty potential, just needs to get out of Montreal to exploit, can easily be a second line winger. Plekanec can fill Marleaus spot or can play behind Pavelski. Very capable 2 way center at half the cost of Marleau.

Thoughts???

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07-27-2009, 07:10 PM
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To Montreal:

Marleau
Cheechoo
Greiss


To San Jose:


Plekanec
A.Kostitsyn
S.Kostitsyn
Halak


Habs: get a center that they need. A back-up goalie that will not challenge Price for the number one spot, and a big winger that Martin was looking for to pair with Gomez and Gionta.

Sharks: get a goalie who can challenge for the number one spot, possibly replace Nabakov next year when he falls to free agency. They get a younger and moree dynamic winger in Kostitsyn to rpelace Cheechoo for the same price. His brother who has plenty potential, just needs to get out of Montreal to exploit, can easily be a second line winger. Plekanec can fill Marleaus spot or can play behind Pavelski. Very capable 2 way center at half the cost of Marleau.

Thoughts???
I think the Habs fans are really high on A. Kostitsyn, so I dunno. From what I've seen he's a decent player.

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07-27-2009, 11:21 PM
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Done!
3 speedy top 6 forwards signed for about 7.3 million (closer to 10 the following year however) for 1 first liner with great speed and a second liner with no speed for 9.3 million. Goalies are arguably in our favor as well. No chance but Montreal does it, but that would be a sweet set of forwards.

A. Kost-Thorton-Setoguchi
Michalek-Pavelski-S. Kost
Clowe-Plekanec-Mitchell
McGinn-Nichol-Ortmeyer/UFA
Staubitz

Murray-Boyle
Vlasic-Blake
Ehrhoff-Huskins
Joslin

Nabby
Halak
Total is just at the cap however.


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07-27-2009, 11:25 PM
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Done!
3 speedy top 6 forwards signed for about 7.3 million (closer to 10 the following year however) for 1 first liner with great speed and a second liner with no speed for 9.3 million. Goalies are arguably in our favor as well. No chance but Montreal does it, but that would be a sweet set of forwards.

A. Kost-Thorton-Setoguchi
Michalek-Pavelski-S. Kost
Clowe-Plekanec-Mitchell
McGinn-Nichol-Ortmeyer/UFA
Staubitz

Murray-Boyle
Vlasic-Blake
Ehrhoff-Murray
Joslin

Nabby
Halak
Total is just at the cap however.
You have Murray on defense twice so I assume Huskins replaces one of them. Not sure I break up Michalek-Pavelski-Clowe, because S. Kostitsyn is the least skilled of the 4. Probably swap Sergei with Clowe and that's not a bad lineup

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07-27-2009, 11:30 PM
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To Montreal:

Marleau
Cheechoo
Greiss


To San Jose:


Plekanec
A.Kostitsyn
S.Kostitsyn
Halak


Habs: get a center that they need. A back-up goalie that will not challenge Price for the number one spot, and a big winger that Martin was looking for to pair with Gomez and Gionta.

Sharks: get a goalie who can challenge for the number one spot, possibly replace Nabakov next year when he falls to free agency. They get a younger and moree dynamic winger in Kostitsyn to rpelace Cheechoo for the same price. His brother who has plenty potential, just needs to get out of Montreal to exploit, can easily be a second line winger. Plekanec can fill Marleaus spot or can play behind Pavelski. Very capable 2 way center at half the cost of Marleau.

Thoughts???
No. Both Kostitsyn's are little girls and about the ugliest mother ****ers on the planet. Sergei is basically worthless and for some reason every Habs fan thinks A. Kostitsyn is worth a lot for whatever reason. I wouldn't trade Cheechoo for A. Kostitsyn straight up.

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07-27-2009, 11:37 PM
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Done!
3 speedy top 6 forwards signed for about 7.3 million (closer to 10 the following year however) for 1 first liner with great speed and a second liner with no speed for 9.3 million. Goalies are arguably in our favor as well. No chance but Montreal does it, but that would be a sweet set of forwards.

A. Kost-Thorton-Setoguchi
Michalek-Pavelski-S. Kost
Clowe-Plekanec-Mitchell
McGinn-Nichol-Ortmeyer/UFA
Staubitz

Murray-Boyle
Vlasic-Blake
Ehrhoff-Murray
Joslin

Nabby
Halak
Total is just at the cap however.
So we complain that 3 mil is too much for a third liner so we trade and put a 3.5 mil on the third line? I don't think Clowe would be able to do much with Plekanec and Mitchell either.

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07-27-2009, 11:45 PM
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You have Murray on defense twice so I assume Huskins replaces one of them. Not sure I break up Michalek-Pavelski-Clowe, because S. Kostitsyn is the least skilled of the 4. Probably swap Sergei with Clowe and that's not a bad lineup
Correct on Murray=Huskins

Agree on S. Kostitsyn being the worst of the four, it is split up to cover weaknesses.

Offensively- Thornton, Setoguchi, Pavelski, Michalek, A. Kost, Plekanec, Clowe, S. Kost, Mitchell
Defensively- Pavelski, Michalek, Mitchell, Thornton, Setoguchi, Clowe, Andrei/Plekaec/Sergei

Each of the top three lines have one of the three worst defensively, but still plenty of firepower.

The three slowest are Clowe, Thornton, and Pavelski- all on different lines.

The three fastest are Michalek, Mitchell, Setoguchi- all on different lines.

Plekanec is probably the softest so he gets two of the grittiest in Clowe and Mitchell for wingers.

Thornton is the best passer so he gets the top 2 snipers.

Look for a solid defensive 4th line wing (Park, R. Nieds) and you have a decent enough shutdown line and three good scoring lines that are all capable of playing 15 minutes per, except the 4th which would be better than most teams 4th lines.

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So we complain that 3 mil is too much for a third liner so we trade and put a 3.5 mil on the third line? I don't think Clowe would be able to do much with Plekanec and Mitchell either.
Totally different scenario. Playing a declining slow 3 million dollar Jonathan Cheechoo on the thir dline with Marcel Goc and Mike Grier is entirely different than playing Clowe with a guy who has had a 70 point season, and a Torrey Mitchell. As I just said in my last post, that line could struggle to put up points so you could move one of Seto or Michalek into Clowe's space.

I am against trading Marleau in general, and this trade would never, ever happen, but getting three young top 6 forwards for him and Cheechoo seems like a solid use of assets.
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FWIW, I just spitballed the lines, and I am sure there would be a ton of tinkering, but my lines were thought out.

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To Montreal:

Marleau
Cheechoo
Greiss


To San Jose:


Plekanec
A.Kostitsyn
S.Kostitsyn
Halak


Habs: get a center that they need. A back-up goalie that will not challenge Price for the number one spot, and a big winger that Martin was looking for to pair with Gomez and Gionta.

Sharks: get a goalie who can challenge for the number one spot, possibly replace Nabakov next year when he falls to free agency. They get a younger and moree dynamic winger in Kostitsyn to rpelace Cheechoo for the same price. His brother who has plenty potential, just needs to get out of Montreal to exploit, can easily be a second line winger. Plekanec can fill Marleaus spot or can play behind Pavelski. Very capable 2 way center at half the cost of Marleau.

Thoughts???
I just threw up. Is this Eklund?

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Tarde proposal: Thornton, Boyle, Marleau, Michalek for Gomez, Markov, Camalleri, Gionta, Montreal 1st round picks in 2010, 2011, 2012, good deal amirite?

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Now that Koivu and Komisarek are gone from the Habs, there is absolutely no one on that team besides Andrei Markov that should be of any interest for a contending team.

And a note to Habs fans, adding more junk to an offer doesn't make it more appealing, it makes it LESS appealing.

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Tarde proposal: Thornton, Boyle, Marleau, Michalek for Gomez, Markov, Camalleri, Gionta, Montreal 1st round picks in 2010, 2011, 2012, good deal amirite?

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Now that Koivu and Komisarek are gone from the Habs, there is absolutely no one on that team besides Andrei Markov that should be of any interest for a contending team.

And a note to Habs fans, adding more junk to an offer doesn't make it more appealing, it makes it LESS appealing.
You don't understand Habs fans' menalities. They have the best goalie in the game in Price, the best defenseman in Markov, the best contract in Gomez and the best future with Gainey.

A. Kostitsyn will score 50 goals and 100 points in his career, etc...

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Now that Koivu and Komisarek are gone from the Habs, there is absolutely no one on that team besides Andrei Markov that should be of any interest for a contending team.
i agree. i wouldn't want the sharks to do anything that major with montreal. so much of their team has just been added via trade or free agency there's really no one tempting to me that's likely even to be available.

the K bros. are intriguing because it's assumed they would be moved together and the sharks could use a 3rd line wing (SK? not sure how good he, or AK for that matter, is defensively). i vaguely remember some article about their possible involvement with the russian mafia, but even if there's no truth behind that, i don't see them as a missing piece of the puzzle. would rather find a different 3rd liner.

markov is obviously valuable but i doubt he gets moved and even if he were available that would make for a crazy-expensive D corps in SJ.

so then what? latendresse, lapierre, or d'agostini (depends on his contract)? they interest me for possible 3rd line duty... maybe MTL would swap one with o'byrne for murray+?

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I personally don't want to see any Russians who aren't bonafide NHL stars on the Sharks, or even Europeans with question marks over their performance. Too risky. I'm sure that Marleau won't end up in the KHL - not so sure about the others like Kostitsyn and so on. Bad asset management... they're your problem, you can keep them

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OK, normally I think bad trade proposals are more annoying than funny, but this one is highly entertaining: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=667640


[It's a Montreal proposal, that's why I stuck it in this thread.]

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